Why Capitalism Is Doomed: The Contradictions at Its Core

Originally posted by allprowolfy
Capitalism always works as long as you keep the free and open "market" out of the hands of the legislatures-government.

Totally impossible, monopoly will eventually take place then capitalism changes to corporatism and slavery.

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Thank you for not putting words into my mouth. I am neither a capitalist nor a socialist.. I think it is evident that we need a different system all together..

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
Change is most certainly is coming, baby, but it's not the kind you think it is. People like me are going to enact it. People like you had better get the hell out of the way when we do.

Change, from the likes of you? A conservative that thinks about himself before the majority?

You aren't gonna do nothing for anybody, at least nothing good other than to yourself. Your mentality is actually one of the main reasons we have arrived to this low point. You are clearly left in the dust if you want to argue with the OP.

I bet "People like you" would want to restart capitalism if you could...just so you could get a chance at exploiting anew. But no, I doubt this will happen. Evolution and revolution will come, don't be left behind and extinct.

Originally posted by purplemer
Thank you for not putting words into my mouth. I am neither a capitalist nor a socialist.. I think it is evident that we need a different system all together..

I prefer socialists systems because I feel that evolution and advancements would be faster with common goals than competition. Health, education and technology would stop focusing on profits and focus on evolution instead.

Although, I think that the main problem isn't capitalism, socialism, communism, republicanism etc...the problem is corruption. Corruption can wreak any economic system possible.

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
That's quite an impressive piece of propaganda you put together.

So what you'd rather have is a labor force who is employed at menial jobs that are not rewarding whatsoever and don't pay anything. A workforce who lives in tenement buildings and can barely make ends meet, who buy all their groceries at the state food market, where there are perpetual shortages...

Oh wait, I forgot that you brainwashed Omaba socialists believe that "American" socialism won't be the same as Chinese or Soviet socialism - it will be all rainbows and gummy bears and we'll all sit around singing kumbaya in the backyards of our 4500 square foot mansionettes because O mighty benevolent ruler Obama will redistribute the wealth to everyone and all those bad things in those other socialist countries won't happen because this is America, dammit.

Dream on, sister. You've been tricked.

Just watch Zeitgeist the Addendum. says it all. Capitalism is slavery. Things could have worked out better for longer if the central banks never came into the picture....

Originally posted by User8911

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
Change is most certainly is coming, baby, but it's not the kind you think it is. People like me are going to enact it. People like you had better get the hell out of the way when we do.

Change, from the likes of you? A conservative that thinks about himself before the majority?

You aren't gonna do nothing for anybody, at least nothing good other than to yourself. Your mentality is actually one of the main reasons we have arrived to this low point. You are clearly left in the dust if you want to argue with the OP.

I bet "People like you" would want to restart capitalism if you could...just so you could get a chance at exploiting anew. But no, I doubt this will happen. Evolution and revolution will come, don't be left behind and extinct.

You are such a naive dipsh!t. Do you think you'd like to live in a maximum security prison? Think about what life would be like inside one. That's what socialism has been like in every country that has ever tried it. You get equality, that's for sure - everyone is equally impoverished, everyone lives in the same 8x10 cell, eats the same food, watches the same show on the TV. There is exploitation, too - it resides with the warden and guards. They are the only ones living well inside a prison.

You people are nothing but a loudmouth minority and you are about to get shouted down.

Originally posted by Mike.Ockizard

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
That's quite an impressive piece of propaganda you put together.

So what you'd rather have is a labor force who is employed at menial jobs that are not rewarding whatsoever and don't pay anything. A workforce who lives in tenement buildings and can barely make ends meet, who buy all their groceries at the state food market, where there are perpetual shortages...

Oh wait, I forgot that you brainwashed Omaba socialists believe that "American" socialism won't be the same as Chinese or Soviet socialism - it will be all rainbows and gummy bears and we'll all sit around singing kumbaya in the backyards of our 4500 square foot mansionettes because O mighty benevolent ruler Obama will redistribute the wealth to everyone and all those bad things in those other socialist countries won't happen because this is America, dammit.

Dream on, sister. You've been tricked.

Just watch Zeitgeist the Addendum. says it all. Capitalism is slavery. Things could have worked out better for longer if the central banks never came into the picture....

Oh joy. Another brainwashed Obamatard.

Why are there so many intellectually deficient people here? Has the indoctrination been that effective? Is there no one who can think for themselves anymore?

How about you use your brain rather than relying on movies and TV to tell you what is factual and what is fantasy.

By the way, love the name. What are you... eleven?

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by Mike.Ockizard

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
That's quite an impressive piece of propaganda you put together.

So what you'd rather have is a labor force who is employed at menial jobs that are not rewarding whatsoever and don't pay anything. A workforce who lives in tenement buildings and can barely make ends meet, who buy all their groceries at the state food market, where there are perpetual shortages...

Oh wait, I forgot that you brainwashed Omaba socialists believe that "American" socialism won't be the same as Chinese or Soviet socialism - it will be all rainbows and gummy bears and we'll all sit around singing kumbaya in the backyards of our 4500 square foot mansionettes because O mighty benevolent ruler Obama will redistribute the wealth to everyone and all those bad things in those other socialist countries won't happen because this is America, dammit.

Dream on, sister. You've been tricked.

Just watch Zeitgeist the Addendum. says it all. Capitalism is slavery. Things could have worked out better for longer if the central banks never came into the picture....

Oh joy. Another brainwashed Obamatard.

Why are there so many intellectually deficient people here? Has the indoctrination been that effective? Is there no one who can think for themselves anymore?

How about you use your brain rather than relying on movies and TV to tell you what is factual and what is fantasy.

By the way, love the name. What are you... eleven?

edit on 20-3-2012 by AwakeinNM because: (no reason given)

Can't make your point without personal insults? Classy.

Also, comparing socialism to maximum security prison shows your ignorance on the realities of prison life. Socialistic policies do not equate to the fear of being stabbed or gang raped every time you walk out of your cell that I'm aware of.

Originally posted by purplemer
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Thank you for not putting words into my mouth. I am neither a capitalist nor a socialist.. I think it is evident that we need a different system all together..

This is so wrong. We don't need another system. We need to fix the damage that's been perpetrated on our capitalist system. What your saying is on par with the following example.

Imagine you have a very expensive bike and during the night I come to your house and kick the wheel till it's bent and unable to move. Do you walk outside see the bike and then blame the bike for not working? That's what your doing with Capitalism. It's not the bikes fault it can't move it's the jerk who decided to show up and break it.

Originally posted by Leftist

This image is hilarious. I'm not sure what it has to do with the context of the post; but when it comes to pictures of large breasted blondes, do we really need an excuse?

We are seeing the collapse of capitalism right now in our own time, for the very reason outlined above.

Perhaps. Marx died 130 odd years ago, now. The system has a distressing tendency to continue to resurrect itself, just when you think you've finally managed to put a stake in the corpse.

Fewer delightfully cranky socialist coffee shops, more Starbucks everywhere.

I hear you there. I never really drank coffee until I went to Nimbin. You'd like that town, I think. Very much.

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
That's quite an impressive piece of propaganda you put together.

I thought so too. I especially love the cute avatar.



She also opened with a use of the term, "comrades." I know John Titor might have been discovered to be a hoax as a time traveller, but I think we've possibly got a real one here; from the 1950s. Senator McCarthy would be foaming at the mouth and going into convulsions as we speak.

So what you'd rather have is a labor force who is employed at menial jobs that are not rewarding whatsoever and don't pay anything. A workforce who lives in tenement buildings and can barely make ends meet, who buy all their groceries at the state food market, where there are perpetual shortages...

You know, your rhetorical skill has actually improved since you came and trolled our threads, Awake. I'm impressed.

Dream on, sister. You've been tricked.

Agreed, actually, but not in the way that most people think. Like I said in another recent response to someone else, you end up realising that Capitalism and Communism are both two sides of the Illuminati coin. Mayer Amschel referred to himself as an adherent of the "global revolution," by an interesting coincidence.

The big clue here, is collectivism. If you look hard, you'll realise that in terms of both the Friedmanite "free market," on the one hand, or the Internationale on the other, the one thing you're always being herded towards is world federalism. That is always the single common element. There will never be any talk of people living in a decentralised, small scale scenario. It always has to be global and centralised.

The contemporary Communist narrative is particularly dangerous because, in terms of what the corporations have actually been doing, it's very difficult to disagree with. After all, the economy has crashed, people's homes have been foreclosed on, and we've got genuine chaos right now.

The one thing I've come to realise though, which most Communists don't, is that all of this was set up a very long time ago; and that is exactly what the cabal do. They will run one type of system which has inherent flaws even when it's going well, (Capitalism or monarchy, usually) for a while; and then they will deliberately crash it and cause chaos. Then when people are starving, desperate, and miserable, you'll suddenly see the alternative (Communism) being presented, and because the first thing Communists do is not only cite everything which genuinely has gone wrong with the old system, but they also seem to have a very good understanding of why it went wrong in mechanical terms, what they're offering seems fantastic.

What becomes obvious, though, is that the entire reason why the cabal understand how and why everything went bad, is because they were the ones who engineered the lot of it in the first place. The real goal is revolution, yes; but when the cabal talk about revolution, what they mean is upending the current system so that they can seize control of it, not so that you can. They also know, however, that the people are not going to want a revolution if things are going well, so they have to institute a deliberately bad system and get people to accept that first, so that they can crash that, and then offer people the alternative which is what they really wanted in the first place.

You might remember the game Palpatine played in the Star Wars prequels, with the Trade Federation on the one hand, and the Republic on the other. It's exactly the same game being played here; and it is fairly complex, until you figure it out. The cabal are very clever.



Read The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, and Red Symphony. Taken together, they both explain the whole thing. It's a giant hornswoggle, and to be fair to Leftist, it's one that is probably much, much larger than she knows about herself.

There have been many replies and a lot of interest in this thread, so I'd like to thank everybody, even those who flat-out disagree with me. That's to be expected. As I was saying to somebody just a bit earlier, if I can reach even a few of you, or make some of you re-consider things only for a little bit, that is great, fine with me. Many of your responses are very amusing. Keep on discussing and debating! The truth always emerges from the dialectic.

You know, a lot of people say we should give Capitalism one more chance, but I say its killed hundreds of millions already, from the world wars, holocaust, enlslavement and improvrishment of the third world, wars from Korea and Vietnam to Iraq...not to mention other factors like the soul-crushing impact on the people of the developed world in terms of culture and lifestyle, and now the impoverishment of middle-classes everywhere. I think capitalism has been tried enough already, its been given plenty of time to prove itself and it never fails to result in crushing misery for the vast majority. No more, stop the madness.

What's going to replace capitalism?

I know that you're a Marxist but really where has Marxism worked?

Until the human race reaches a state where they don't need an incentive to work, we won't have the workers paradise that you may envision.

Originally posted by Wildbob77
What's going to replace capitalism?

I know that you're a Marxist but really where has Marxism worked?

Until the human race reaches a state where they don't need an incentive to work, we won't have the workers paradise that you may envision.

The productive capacitiy right now is off the charts on planet earth. People are living better than they ever have, thanks to capitalism. If we weren't supporting an exploitative super-class, we could all live even better and work less, giving us time to relax with our family and improve ourselves through learning, exercise, or creative work.

Remember, socialism/communism isn't absolutely opposed to Capitalism in some kind of Manichean sense - rather, it represents the next stage. History unfolds in stages. First we had slavery: the age of the pyramids and Babylon, the Aztecs and the early Chinese emperors. Mighty tyrants and humans beneith them who were essentially property. Eventually this system decayed due to its own internal contradictions, resulting in feudalism. This persisted, but due to technological leaps, its internal contradictions too were eventually exposed. After a period of struggle, feudalism too decayed into capitalism. Now we have reached another inflection point and will shift to the next stage: Socialism. It may not look like what you or I imagine, but it is coming.

Systems decay based on their own internal contradictions, when they are exposed and can no longer be denied. The capitalist system is more exposed than ever before now: the crisis of '08 revealed how fragile it is, and ever since then, its been a non-stop effort to prop up the massive companies everyone held in such mystic awe as exemplars of rugged free-market individualism. Now these sad, enormous failures are becoming wards of the state, along with a parasitic bankster class of course. The irony is that with state control of industry, the governments of the "free world" are actually achieving a form of centralization that resembles a key cornerstone goal of Communism: the collectivization and centralization of the means of production. Except they are doing it in fascist rather than communist mode. In communism, the centralized control should be under the authority of the people, not under the thumb of a class of corrupt, sociopathic greedheads, plutocratic finance autocrats, religious maniacs, warmongers, freebooters and bandit-capitalist buccaneers, and other insects of the right.

What is interesting here is that people are quick to point out the disasters of Communism (murders, imprisonment, brainwashing etc..), but when confronted with those same scenarios in relation to capitalism people shrug their shoulders. Why is that? Capitalism imprisons, murders, assassinates, brainwashes and is doing everything that is attributed to Communism on a every day basis yet continues to remain unquestioned for the most part.

Anyone with a brain can see that Capitalism is failing today, as wealth continues to concentrate on the top (which is it's natural extension; that's what it's created for), labor continues to be exploited and the environment continues to get raped. The system is collapsing, or better put, the system that you have lived all your life in is collapsing (to make it personal). Does that mean we should flood to Communism? Of course not. Their are other systems, and ideas that are available but that would require thought, understanding and honesty. Life isn't black and white, this or that. Lets not make it seem like there are only two choices here.

And to those chirping the Milton Freeman/Ann Rand idea of pure capitalism, with no checks or accountability are beyond delusional and quite amusing considering they speak about human nature yet promote a system bound to end in a scenario where Might definitely makes right. If you are promoting that idea and you are well off then you are a serpent showing your true nature. If you are promoting that idea and you are poor or average citizen, then you are like that fool that sells his kind to vampires for the sake of tasting immortality but ends up drained of blood because the prey forgot it is prey.

Where's that snake biting his owner parable?

Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms
What is interesting here is that people are quick to point out the disasters of Communism (murders, imprisonment, brainwashing etc..), but when confronted with those same scenarios in relation to capitalism people shrug their shoulders. Why is that? Capitalism imprisons, murders, assassinates, brainwashes and is doing everything that is attributed to Communism on a every day basis yet continues to remain unquestioned for the most part.

yes but with capitalism we managed to have that AND long periods of prosperity That the difference between the two. Communism never managed to achieve the latter

Originally posted by paganini
yes but with capitalism we managed to have that AND long periods of prosperity

That the difference between the two. Communism never managed to achieve the latter

Over one billion people might, in theory, ask you to hold off judgement for a few decades. (Some think only a few years might be necessary, actually...)

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So you think capitalism is the only system that can work in a global community, You do not think we can do things better... I think a new bike is needed..

Originally posted by Leftist

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Oh wait, I forgot that you brainwashed Omaba socialists believe that "American" socialism won't be the same as Chinese or Soviet socialism - it will be all rainbows and gummy bears and we'll all sit around singing kumbaya in the backyards of our 4500 square foot mansionettes because O mighty benevolent ruler Obama will redistribute the wealth to everyone and all those bad things in those other socialist countries won't happen because this is America, dammit.

Dream on, sister. You've been tricked.

Obama?

Please.

Obama is a right-winger as far as I'm concerned. He's in the same basket with Nixon and Hitler.

no surprise there, many left wingers refuse to accept anyone if they feel it sullies their "belief" system


Yeah capitalism sucks, but history shows us communism brings more misery- awaits "but we have not had true communism", yes you have brother, you have a history of communism in the hands of man, I could just reply "we have not experienced true capitalism"....

Guys, I'll comment on this more later, but for now let me tell those of you who are claiming this is propaganda something...

Us in the capitalist world were every bit as much exposed to propaganda here, as we believe they were over there. If you don't believe me, just find someone that lived there and talk to them about it. The biggest factors that our propaganda points out were not aspects of communism or socialism (personally I don't believe that true communism exists anywhere but in religious communes anyway, but that is another story), but rather the horror stories that were crammed down our throats of police state tactics on the citizens.

Well... We are heading right for a capitalist police state here ATM.
Police State tactics, and their financial/business system are two different things, but here in the US, our propaganda would have us believe they are one and the same. You can have a police state under any form of government or financial system. Again, since 911 we are heading into one ourselves.

I worked with a person who was from the Ukraine, she loved it over there, and hated it here. She felt that our employees were unmotivated, lazy, and undereducated by comparison. We got talking about this, and I brought up much of the propaganda I had been brought up believing only to find out that it was either false, or grossly exaggerated.

I was told that if you worked hard over there, you could own anything you wanted, just like here. You could own a car, a nice house, etc. You were given a job out of school, and were only allowed three job losses after that. If you got fired from all three, you could go live with your family, or end up on the streets. They took their jobs very seriously because of this factor. If you did well, then you could always move up in your job, or even get additional education and go for better jobs, just like here.

It was hardly the slave labor, foodline, living poor, situation that I was expecting to hear about. Again, this was our governments cold-war propaganda.