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Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms
I usually try and stay far away from polarizing subjects/topics such as this, but IMO only in special circumstances (mother's health, rape, incest) should this be allowed. I am a believer in a woman's right to choose, but after a certain point it becomes obvious that the fetus is no longer a fetus and is an actual baby.
Originally posted by MRuss
I believe in a woman's choice, but the thought of 2nd trimester abortions literally makes me sick. I can't even think about it, honestly. If you've carried a baby around for that many weeks (knowingly or unknowingly) then you should deliver and consider adoption.
What sort of society are we that we'd allow a woman to abort in the 2nd trimester?
Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Originally posted by kingofmd
Question for all of the "I am for a woman's right to her body..." ranters:
How exactly is the fetus a "part of her body", while the fetus has it's own specific DNA, in some cases a different blood type, and in 1/2 the cases a penis? I am all for a woman to have the right to say what goes on for her body, but the fetus' body is not hers, so could we please stop that argument.
The answer to your question is that the fetus is for lack of a better word, a parasite. Without a host it cannot live, and a woman has the right to decide if she is a host or not.
Im not sure your aware of what it actually takes to carry a child for 9 months.
My friend who self aborted at 7 months had a rapist who wanted the kid in order to get welfare, or access to it if she were to deliver it... and no medical provider offered her such an option of c-section to adoption w/o father a-hole getting a say.
Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by reitze
My friend who self aborted at 7 months had a rapist who wanted the kid in order to get welfare, or access to it if she were to deliver it... and no medical provider offered her such an option of c-section to adoption w/o father a-hole getting a say.
I am curious, why did she wait that long? Especially after a rape, when there surely is free abortion available from the start for all? It seems crazy someone would carry a rape child for 7 months and refuse safe medical abortion, before finally self-aborting on their own and risking their life.
edit on 20/3/12 by Maslo because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by DaphneApollo
I had a baby at 22-24 weeks gestation what some women abort I had. He cried like a kitten, yes he cried. Everything was developed on him. You could see through his skin, he looked like a tiny old man, 1 pound 6 ounces/ 835kg. Very tiny. But, he lived after 100 days in hospital.
If you don't want a baby please use a condom, birth control, etc. If you are raped, heaven forbid, have a DNC, hurts like hell, but will wash out the uterus while it has just implanted if it has. There are ways to stop hurting a living being with saline solution, hence burning the fetus/baby, very cruel then pulled apart.
NO, I don't believe in abortion in 2nd term, I had what alot of women are aborting and he is now 13, taller than me and I'm 5'7" and smart.
It's very easy to kill that which you cannot see. If you didn't see it, it didn't happen right. Watch Silent Scream it shows a fetus fighting what is trying to hurt it. So sad.
I'll add this because I didn't even know it. Roe Vs Wade case she fought so hard to pass, she then became a NUN later in life and fought against abortion, imagine that.
This is in judgement of no one here. Just a story from someone whose had a second term baby. This is a hard subject all on it's own I know.edit on 20-3-2012 by DaphneApollo because: (no reason given)
But we do our best and I do hope the more mainstream Christians get the point. (I'm a book-read christian who was raised atheistically).
Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by reitze
But we do our best and I do hope the more mainstream Christians get the point. (I'm a book-read christian who was raised atheistically).
This is not really about christianity at this point, christians are just the ones vocal about embryos from conception. As an atheist, I cannot agree with legal abortion until birth, unless mothers life is endangered. That is no different from murder in my book. 86 % of US population shares this view, yet only 77 % is christian.edit on 20/3/12 by Maslo because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by DaphneApollo
reply to post by reitze
And I have not brought the religious discussion into this. Not in my post. So, I don't know why that was there in your post.
Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by reitze
But we do our best and I do hope the more mainstream Christians get the point. (I'm a book-read christian who was raised atheistically).
This is not really about christianity at this point, christians are just the ones vocal about embryos from conception. As an atheist, I cannot agree with legal abortion until birth, unless mothers life is endangered. That is no different from murder in my book. 86 % of US population shares this view, yet only 77 % is christian.edit on 20/3/12 by Maslo because: (no reason given)
My friend Beth survived but it was hellish trauma on her body compared to what a 4-5 month abortion would have been.
Or if not - like I saw a women do at 7 months, she'll kill it one way or another.
And the Christianity/Satanic aspect is the ENSLAVEMENT of women prescribed by law
Its there because I FEEL religious about it. That its GOD's APPOINTMENT of WOMEN to give birth - or not. Up to her. And I find it satanic to interfere by laws prescribing punishments. Sorry if that sound harsh toward you - I mean nothing harsh toward people, but do mean to be harsh toward the satanic ideas that add complications risks and abuses to women who conceive.
Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by reitze
And the Christianity/Satanic aspect is the ENSLAVEMENT of women prescribed by law
Do you think a siamese twin is a slave of its other twin?
I think it is not slavery at all. It is a right to life of an innocent human being.