We need a one world government, whether you like it or not.

Nice thread. I agree. I doubt we will become a space-faring species if we dont unite.
I personally would like to see a world wide minimum wage. That way Corps cant undercut us by the use of asian slave "labor".

And to all the haters- Way to go! Such a great attitude, saying we are destined to destroy ourselves. Ya maybe because of people like you. And sweet rioting pictures! thats cool!

today the earth
tomorrow the universe!
mmmmmuahaha!!!

Originally posted by imherejusttoread

Originally posted by prisoneronashipoffools
All these posts attacking the idea of one world government yet offering no ideas and possible solutions of their own to the problems facing humanity....Well, folks if your not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

A solution to what?

To the problems that face humanity. I know it may be hard for some people who can only type a one line response to grasp, but yes the human race has a host of problems. Starting with long term friggen survival of our whole species, just for starters. Add to that things like, oh,,,I don't know, like maybe, starvation, disease, wars, destruction, natural disasters, both global; like volcanoes, tsunamis, earth quakes and outside of the globe; like asteroid, comet impacts, solar flares etc, not even to add to the fact that humanities current way of living, is chewing through planetary resources faster then they can be replaced.

Yeah I would say there is a ton of problems humanity needs to unite together to solve. Of course, I can understand why a brilliant ;one line, sound byte, thinker, like you might not really think of any of those yourself.

We need a world government for the people made by the people to benefit mankind and the planet, not a world goverment ruled by an elite class that seeks to enslave all of us and defile the mother earth for profit and greed.

When that happens however i doubt the word government will be used, politics as we know them have to stop existing as the system is made to rule and divide us(democracy), a whole and spiritual awakened human being does not need to be governed anyway, that person got integrity and knows how to take care of himself and the earth and will work in harmony with all groups. Only children needs a government to keep ''them safe'' and that is the nightmare world we have created, a world of grown ups with a childs mentality looking at the authorities as their parents, they just dont realize yet that their ''parents'' are very abusive creatures that doesnt care for them at all, only their loyalty and labor force.

reply to post by muse7


In theory, I partially agree. It's inevitable to happen. But not without mass war prior to it. It will lead to totalitarianism to achieve such a thing. The masses will not condone nor accept it with ease. That is why you see the world in chaos and the limelight being drawn on the world's elite for a reason. It's a method to combat it. As stated prior. Autonomy is absolute and what defines humanity in the grandest of ways. Autonomy can exist while addressing the issues at hand. Enlightenment and social/moral advancement are the only true way. Which seems hopeless more so everyday.

There are no easy answers, it's either we solve our issues while recognizing our differences or starting all over after near mass destruction. The UN and EU are two prime examples of movement toward single governing bodies which are complete failures. It's the lack of autonomy that causes this.

I am arguing on the side of "the new, planetary social order". Nobody is saying you will lose your personal sovereignty! Nobody said that in this thread: except the fear mongers.

Personal sovereignty will be enhanced. The country you were born in will still be the same country. The flags will stay the same. You won't be forced to speak Esperanto!

We will still elect the local, state, national officials. But the main difference is we also elect resource councils around all aspects of the global economy. This new "body" when fully formed constitutes the apparatus of the demos. This happens to also be the participatory democratic regulation of the economy that we have been waiting for. Technology on a planetary design. There will be no bankers because we won't need them.

The systems we have now are out of balance. This new "body" of democracy is perfectly designed to re-balance the equations of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

A 'new' 'one' 'world' is not a complete dismantling of the 'old' -- this is a planetary scale social revolution re-ordering all structures of government and the rules of resource distribution (The Game).

The Game is changing.

Originally posted by prisoneronashipoffools

Originally posted by imherejusttoread

Originally posted by prisoneronashipoffools
All these posts attacking the idea of one world government yet offering no ideas and possible solutions of their own to the problems facing humanity....Well, folks if your not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

A solution to what?

To the problems that face humanity. I know it may be hard for some people who can only type a one line response to grasp, but yes the human race has a host of problems. Starting with long term friggen survival of our whole species, just for starters. Add to that things like, oh,,,I don't know, like maybe, starvation, disease, wars, destruction, natural disasters, both global; like volcanoes, tsunamis, earth quakes and outside of the globe; like asteroid, comet impacts, solar flares etc, not even to add to the fact that humanities current way of living, is chewing through planetary resources faster then they can be replaced.

Yeah I would say there is a ton of problems humanity needs to unite together to solve. Of course, I can understand why a brilliant ;one line, sound byte, thinker, like you might not really think of any of those yourself.

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Again, natural disasters are not going to go away...and really, I don't see them as problems in the same way as you, who categorizes them along with starvation and lack of sustainability in resource management.

Jumping to that (resource management), I would add that the way we operate today - which is on the threshold of one world government - is exactly what is detrimental to resource management. Native societies do not over shoot their resources, and for good reason. People in New York have no reason to worry about the salmon population of the Northwest; clear-cutting of old growth Canadian forests or the Amazon is not even entering the thought processes of people in Chicago or London. This is already what globalization means, don't you see that? A total lack of empathy for other people's misfortune provided that the movers and shakers (or even the regular Joes) get what they want and need. The locals who technically have the claim to lay on the resources have little to no (usually no) say in what is done with them. This will not be resolved by a one world government, it will be exacerbated.

It's strange because I support the notion of a world government. I believe it will happen as a result of increasing technology and knowledge, but it'll be seamless and invisible. We already have a measure of a world government. Just look at the wars in the past 30 years. Look at how several countries will gang together to do something. It's strange to me because this leads us in the direction of a world government yet people do not see it. It's in front of them. I myself did not even support some of them. Yet the wars lead us towards the direction of an invisible world government.

It believe it boils down to reach and absorption. Basically, a government (preferably democracy) must be able to manage and thus reach its people. And its people must absorb this and be controllable.

The reach has to do with travel and communications. Absorption is like the knowledge of the people.

Originally posted by prisoneronashipoffools

Originally posted by imherejusttoread

Originally posted by prisoneronashipoffools
All these posts attacking the idea of one world government yet offering no ideas and possible solutions of their own to the problems facing humanity....Well, folks if your not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

A solution to what?

To the problems that face humanity. I know it may be hard for some people who can only type a one line response to grasp, but yes the human race has a host of problems. Starting with long term friggen survival of our whole species, just for starters. Add to that things like, oh,,,I don't know, like maybe, starvation, disease, wars, destruction, natural disasters, both global; like volcanoes, tsunamis, earth quakes and outside of the globe; like asteroid, comet impacts, solar flares etc, not even to add to the fact that humanities current way of living, is chewing through planetary resources faster then they can be replaced.

Yeah I would say there is a ton of problems humanity needs to unite together to solve. Of course, I can understand why a brilliant ;one line, sound byte, thinker, like you might not really think of any of those yourself.

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The almighty One World Government thrives on human suffering. It is the goal, the way, the means. The end.

trouble is
good or bad
the sociopaths and the psychopaths usually plan and execute their way to the top eventually
if that occures in a one world government situation
all that is good will be toast

how do i know this?

it is happenening right before our very eyes

I am for a one world government. What i don't like is the way the "elite" are going about it. They treat us like children that are unable to make proper decisions for themselves. We are more than capable.

reply to post by Omnik


But the people are busy with their humanly issues...hence government, which makes it so that a smaller group of people's actual daily task is the micromanagement of society - because we're all too busy to deal with it ourselves. This wouldn't be the case in a small society (tribe), only in big ones (nation-state).

On a global scale, who will be tasked with running things and whose job will it be to keep them in line. The whole idea of checks and balances is reasonable, but still flawed, in our own single nation. Can you imagine it working effectively on a global scale? Seven billion people to keep tabs on a couple thousand or even hundred thousand higher-ups? Wow...and you thought people weren't paying enough attention to government here in the US now...

The only solution that keeps it real and alive for people is for people to have access to their freedom on a local level.

No government does not mean no civil rights and no freedom. Anarchy does not mean chaos. Power in the hands of the people...

Originally posted by muse7
Because that is the only way we will come together.

The U.N. has limited power and has done a poor job. We need a one world government where laws would apply to every citizen of the world, and where a person living in Canada has the same rights as a mother living in the poorest country in Africa.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that we should have children starving to death because they cannot get even one meal a day, and then in another country we have billionaires just amassing wealth.

It just amazes me how there are a lot of people that are afraid of change. we do not need to isolate ourselves from each other. We need to come together as one. We need radical change. We do not need 200+ countries not agreeing with each other and going to war for stupid reasons. What we need is a global form of government, where the power will not go to a single person. But where the power will be divided and every corner of the world will have an opinion.

We need big change and we need it fast, our current system has failed for too long. So far the only things that it has given us are wars, inequality, and famine.

When someone brings up the term "One World Government" most people go into a defensive state of mind because that's what they have been conditioned to think.

Don't you get it? You think that you know what TPTB want..you probably think that they want us to bring us all together and to put us under their rule. But to me that makes little sense.

Think about it, if they unite us under their "new world order" thing then that will give most of the population an "us against them" mentality where the probability of an uprising would be high.

But if they keep us separated by promoting inequality, and by keeping the current system then we would be falling in their trap. I mean we already have the TSA, everyday it seems we are at bring of war with some country. Israel seems like it wants to attack iran almost every week etc..

We need to bring about this change as soon as possible before it's too late.

The only way for us to come together? Really, the ONLY way? No There are several situations that would bring us together.

The bolded paragraph is a contradiction. Who here is actually afraid of change? I think it was change that brought us here. A one world gov't is NOT a radiacal change, it is AT MOST a POLITICAL change, nothing radical there we have had politics. Surely you understand that 200+ countries are not at war with eachother right now? That is what is called fear mongering, stretching the truth to drive a specific OPINION home by way of FEAR. You want a one world gov't NOT controlled by one person, instead divided "equally" amongst many countries. Are you just ignorant or is your purpose here to push the NWO gov't agenda? How in anyway do you believe the BILLIONS of ppl here will all be equal under gov't???? Seriously dude go punch yourself in the nutsack and you will only get a small idea of the pain I feel when I read this and others agree with you. You want one world gov't, but still want multiple countries.. impossible.

If we get a NWO gov't the people who are running the show are going to be so far in the background we will NEVER catch them. Most ppl will be moved to cities and jobs and away from the places where pverty famine and war still exist. Dont think its possible? Look at China.

NWO is just more lines in SAND. I'm the water and I'm bringing in more than the tide this time.

Go back and read your literature. YOU DO NOT GET IT and it distrubs me this has been starred as much as it has and a top topic.

At some point in the future when all of the people of the world want one government, maybe it can work.

Until then, foreign government forced upon those who don't want it NEVER works. It's been tried, albeit on a smaller scale. Just look back in history from the Soviet Union to the Roman Empire. Forcing external government on folks who don't want it ends badly.

Originally posted by gaurdian2012
reply to post by RealSpoke

 

I have to defend a one world government. I see the big picture it is conceivable, those atrocities would not occur in a true one world government, these could be the basic laws

That sounds dangerously close to some certain governments in WWII, and yet their "true" governments were disgustingly vile.

reply to post by muse7


Agreed. I'll use a bible reference here to back that up. In a nutshell it says that we were separated during the build of the tower of babylon because our unity would bring about anything we desire. How far could we really go technologically and spiritually if we were all united? Interesting to think about. Again, I totally agree that until we are "one" as a people, economically and "spiritually", that we'll never progress much further. We've shunted our ability to learn and progress because we can't agree on much. We're all pretty much stuck here on spaceship earth for now, so we may as well get along and try to see eye to eye. Perhaps if we all just had the common goal of learning our true origins and our ultimate destiny everything else may fall into place.

reply to post by muse7


For crying out loud. They tried that in Russia. And we saw how that worked out for them. It's never as pretty as you Utopians try to make it sound.

Originally posted by Sphota

Originally posted by prisoneronashipoffools

Originally posted by imherejusttoread

Originally posted by prisoneronashipoffools
All these posts attacking the idea of one world government yet offering no ideas and possible solutions of their own to the problems facing humanity....Well, folks if your not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

A solution to what?

To the problems that face humanity. I know it may be hard for some people who can only type a one line response to grasp, but yes the human race has a host of problems. Starting with long term friggen survival of our whole species, just for starters. Add to that things like, oh,,,I don't know, like maybe, starvation, disease, wars, destruction, natural disasters, both global; like volcanoes, tsunamis, earth quakes and outside of the globe; like asteroid, comet impacts, solar flares etc, not even to add to the fact that humanities current way of living, is chewing through planetary resources faster then they can be replaced.

Yeah I would say there is a ton of problems humanity needs to unite together to solve. Of course, I can understand why a brilliant ;one line, sound byte, thinker, like you might not really think of any of those yourself.

edit on 17-3-2012 by prisoneronashipoffools because: typos

edit on 17-3-2012 by prisoneronashipoffools because: typos

Again, natural disasters are not going to go away...and really, I don't see them as problems in the same way as you, who categorizes them along with starvation and lack of sustainability in resource management.

Jumping to that (resource management), I would add that the way we operate today - which is on the threshold of one world government - is exactly what is detrimental to resource management. Native societies do not over shoot their resources, and for good reason. People in New York have no reason to worry about the salmon population of the Northwest; clear-cutting of old growth Canadian forests or the Amazon is not even entering the thought processes of people in Chicago or London. This is already what globalization means, don't you see that? A total lack of empathy for other people's misfortune provided that the movers and shakers (or even the regular Joes) get what they want and need. The locals who technically have the claim to lay on the resources have little to no (usually no) say in what is done with them. This will not be resolved by a one world government, it will be exacerbated.

Well, natural disasters may not go away, but by getting some of our population off planet, we can actually keep natural disasters from rendering our entire species extinct and that is why I put all those problems in the same category, because they are all problems that humanity as a whole faces, in it's quest for long term survival and continuation of the species.

As, far as, native societies and being balanced with nature, no offense to them and I love them, but the fact is sitting on your butt with a small population, living in harmony with nature is all good until nature turns on you, like say an ice age pops up or a asteroid hits the planet, then it's not so good anymore.

As, far as what is called globalism being the same thing as a world government or even being really globalism, it's not. A bunch of one sided trade agreements between nations, has nothing to do with globalism and everything to do with ill management by politicians. And a lot of the reason it is the way it is, is because the current system can only function by denying resources to part of the population, because there is not enough to go around, it's not sustainable. Of course there are more resources and even a source of abundant and continuous energy in our solar system, waiting on humanity to grow up and get out there. Far more then humanity could use up even if every human had one of everything.

Of course I guess we could reduce the population, of course who do we get rid of, no one will volunteer to go, and then, get in balance with the resources of this planet, until once again another ice age comes or an asteroid smacks the earth and then we can just go extinct like most of the dinosaurs.

A one world government is not going to change anything, we can only change ourselves.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by muse7

 

For crying out loud. They tried that in Russia. And we saw how that worked out for them. It's never as pretty as you Utopians try to make it sound.

Its because once we stop trying to CREATE the Utopia and instead simply LIVE it we would be there. There wouldnt be these global wars, or famine, extreme debt, over population and such.

There is something about our ignorant ancestors that is not so ignorant.