We need a one world government, whether you like it or not.

After you leave your body you realize you are not separate (autonomous)

Its weird how many of you fear togetherness and oneness.

all this stuff about...yeah sure,,,togetherness, but on your own terms comes from the illusion of your ego or (false self) Its how they control you.

who is they?

Elohim-just another race

reply to post by superluminal11


You got some proof? I doubt it. You know what, all I have ever tried to do my whole life, is get along with everyone. And what has that gotten me? Walked over, by everyone from the government, to the police. Screw that, I am done with that. People seek to hold dominion over people, have forever now. Psychopaths attempt to rule everyone else. People have a serious problem with assuming their way is the right way, and to hell with anyone else that thinks different.

I have tried for a long time, to live and let live. It doesn't work unless the rest of the world also follows them rules, and 99% do not.

reply to post by Robstar


A One world government only works if every member of every nation has an equal and active participation in it.

That is a pertinent fact many in the 'Smaller Government!' Mindset are neglecting.

Making government smaller only concentrates power in the hands of a few.

Something as simple as a software program which all have access to, and which lays out each and every proposal before the World Citizenry would be a game changer.

You read the act, and decide once you've read it whether to vote yea or nay. We would have a direct hand in all actions.

Imagine the power for change that system would have.

reply to post by muse7


I agree with you, one day we will no matter what we all think, I do support it but not the people trying to push one on us for their own agenda, now if they had Humanities best interests at heart then we would not even be thinking about refusing it, we would all vote for it.
But with the current corrupt crowd only in it for themselves then the sooner we get rid of them and their polluted offspring the the better we will be.

Originally posted by badconduct

Originally posted by ToneDeaf

Originally posted by muse7
We need a one world government, whether you like it or not

That's exactly what Stalin wanted.

I would rather die protecting the constitution,
liberty and my personal beliefs.
We do not need the bureaucracy or wasted money of
bigger governments.
More-for-the-people-by-the-people.

Pyramid schemes always fail.

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Your constitution is 200 years old, and you currently do not live under it.

You don't even know what life under a constitution is like, because human rights trump national constitutions.

I don't want one-world government right now, because the people pushing it are trying to control humanity, not better it. If we had a situation where a one-world government was actually being formulated in order to advance humanity, as opposed to enslave it, I'd be all for it. I do agree that we're not living under the constitution. In fact, for all intent and purpose, the constitution died the day the federal reserve act of 1913 was signed into law. Which means, that the US constitution hasn't actually been in effect since way before I was born..

Originally posted by muse7
reply to post by SilentThundersGF

 

Yeah because look at where this "autonomy" has gotten us.

Our planet is being polluted worse than ever before. More people are dying of starvation and diseases every day. Fact is we need to get rid of mindsets such as yours because it's not leading us no where.

The only place it's leading us is towards extinction.

Starvation and disease can be taken out of the equation since they are ever-present in all species and a one world government will not solve this issue. For starters, the day we are immune to all disease is the day we discover the next problem. Starvation: there's plenty of food to go around on a local scale. If there is no food to go around in some place, then there is no reason man should occupy that place. If there are no trees in the desert, why would you expect a giraffe? If there are no flowers in the ocean, why would you expect a bee?

Regarding autonomy vis-a-vis death and destruction. Even the smallest of creatures kill and are killed. The difference is that all the creatures of this planet aside from man cannot cheat space, time and necessity to kill. Context rules all things. Context is what connects you to the one you would kill (or who would kill you) as mediated by the environment (both space and time). Even man, in most cases, is limited by this semiotic equation. However, the lack of autonomy has brought about the worst of the worst when it comes to killing and destruction. None of the great massacres and holocausts of the last century through today could have ever been possible in a world of true autonomy. The only way any of this has been possible has been through the centralization of power. For millenia there have been attempts to centralize power in great states and empires. It has only been via corporative proxy that true total centralization has even been approached over the last 50 years.

So, in fact, the closer we get to a one world government, the further we get from freedom and peace. It is, to be quite honest, the opposite direction - towards no central authority at all - that will provide for the maximum amount of freedom and peace and happiness.

One world government over my dead body.

Looking at who wrote the OP, I can just imagine what kind of one government that would be. Forget individualism, forget personal worth....its all about the masses - eh comrade? Essentially, they want complete and utter control of everything. They assume that you are unable to look after yourself, that the government must decide what is right for you.

Don't fall for this "FOR THE PEOPLE" rhetoric. If this one world government comes to be, just watch what happens to those who don't agree.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by superluminal11

 

You got some proof? I doubt it. You know what, all I have ever tried to do my whole life, is get along with everyone. And what has that gotten me? Walked over, by everyone from the government, to the police. Screw that, I am done with that. People seek to hold dominion over people, have forever now. Psychopaths attempt to rule everyone else. People have a serious problem with assuming their way is the right way, and to hell with anyone else that thinks different.

I have tried for a long time, to live and let live. It doesn't work unless the rest of the world also follows them rules, and 99% do not.

All in your mind and ego filter. You still identify yourself with your mind and have attachment. Ego still afraid of punishment pain and death. Now your ego is in war mode determined to control and protect its life and all experiences within range of 5 even 6th senses.
Its really cool once you start knowing this...Knowing is beyond belief and evidence.
The truth is...99% of you think the 1% control and rule over you. What you are really saying is 1% of your experience is blocking you to 99% of your fulfillment.

These Powers that Be you have been entrained to believe are the 1% actually have no power in reality.

You will see soon.

reply to post by muse7


No, we don't.

Maybe your philosophy of violence will work on the less intellectually inclined, but it won't work on those of us who are.

Originally posted by KingAtlas
The real problem would be, WHO WOULD BE IN CONTROL...

You see how corrupt the system is now, can you imagine how bad it would be if there was a single government.
We can't even make small governments work right, how could we get a global government to work right?

Well I think the idea will be that each country would still have their leaders, but with a government overseeing them, there would be accountability by international law. So the king of swaziland for example won't take half of the country's money for himself just cause he may do so unchallenged.

Originally posted by MidnightTide
One world government over my dead body.

Looking at who wrote the OP, I can just imagine what kind of one government that would be. Forget individualism, forget personal worth....its all about the masses - eh comrade? Essentially, they want complete and utter control of everything. They assume that you are unable to look after yourself, that the government must decide what is right for you.

Don't fall for this "FOR THE PEOPLE" rhetoric. If this one world government comes to be, just watch what happens to those who don't agree.

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WHAT IF...
"They" have brainwashed you to believe a one world government will be bad for us?

"They" have all the power already apparently, so why on earth would they want everything to change so dramatically when "they" already control everything?

In a one world government, do you realize the corruption that would occur? The individuals ruling the world would be those with the most money and power... they would exploit the citizenry just as they do now, only on a grander level.

If you think that a One wrold government is not already a reality, consider this: Quite a few Multinational Conglomerates make more pure profit in a year than all of the bottom 75 Country's GDP combined.

Do you really think that those companies do not have their hands in all the world's governments?

The only option is to acknowledge this fact and act accordingly.

We need a revolution ,whether you like it or not !! The very people who are plundering and raping our planet are most likely to be in charge of your NWO scheme. Their plan is to thin the herd down to 500 million....and oh ya, they get to pick who lives and who dies. The worst of the worst controlling a few necessary slaves. No thanks, I'm old but I will still fight, if I have to.

Originally posted by kykweer
"They" have all the power already apparently, so why on earth would they want everything to change so dramatically when "they" already control everything?

So, let's give them the rest of it, is basically the reasoning behind that comment.

Anyone who suggests government as a deus ex machina for humanitarian problems has already decided that violence/force is morally acceptable-- and I want nothing to do with that world-view. The history of government is the history of violence.

It's de-evolving individuals back into the tribalistic world-view before proper brain development took place. It's a preference to reverse nature's progress and beauty and return us back to the warm soup of irrationalism. It's a denial of not only nature's diversity, but also the fundamental physics and their mathematical axioms i.e. we are independent beings and independent beings derive their difference through identity and quantitative analysis.

If we are one, which I don't doubt, then it is by analogy and not composition. And if you don't think so, then I suggest you experiment and tell us your results.

Originally posted by muse7
Because that is the only way we will come together.

It is not the only way, and btw, billions of people will not WANT YOUR socialistic society... You might want to lie and tell yourself that "but, it is what everyone wants"... But it is not.

You, sorry to say are an ignorant person who really knows NOTHING of socialism or what road it brings to people and nations.

BTW, don't start with the BS that "socialism brings equality, and only good things for everyone" because those are the same LIES which many people in the past, and present, have embraced yet what the majority of people really found after embracing such "socialist utopia" was nothing more than another socialist dictatorship.

Socialism/communism ALWAYS lead to dictatorship, because in these systems all power is consolidated and given to a few "for the good of everyone, and the planet"...

Originally posted by muse7
The U.N. has limited power and has done a poor job. We need a one world government where laws would apply to every citizen of the world, and where a person living in Canada has the same rights as a mother living in the poorest country in Africa.

The UN is one of the most corrupt organizations in the world. It's leaders are either dictators, or washed their hands with the blood of innocents to "MAKE MONEY"...

You are obviouslyy ignorant about for example the Oil For Food Scandal, in which many of the leaders of the UN had their hands on as they sold their soul for money meanwhile children in Iraq, and other people in Iraq did not get the aid that the OFF program was supposed to bring them.

Even the son of the secretary of the UN was caught as being part of the people involved in the Oil For Food scandal.

That's without mentioning that UN troops have been caught raping, and murdering people in countries like Africa and the UN sought to hide this truth from the world... Yet you claim the UN should have more power?... You do not know what you are saying...

Originally posted by muse7
There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that we should have children starving to death because they cannot get even one meal a day, and then in another country we have billionaires just amassing wealth.

It is a shame that people do go hungry, and even die, but really a billionaire or ten of them have nothing to do with why there are children in countries like Africa dying of starvation, again you show nothing but IGNORANCE in this topic.

There are many different reasons why there are children in Africa, and other countries, suffering and going hungry. From warlords who are stopping all aid from reaching these children, to SOCIALIST dictatorships claiming they know exactly how much food people need, and controlling all infraestructure, including agriculture, and controlling all aspects of people's lives "for the good of everyone".

Originally posted by muse7
It just amazes me how there are a lot of people that are afraid of change. we do not need to isolate ourselves from each other. We need to come together as one. We need radical change. We do not need 200+ countries not agreeing with each other and going to war for stupid reasons.
...

Change does not guarantee a good goal... Again, you show ignorance. The mere word "change" holds no guarantee whatsoever that the changes occurring will be good for people... There can be changes that bring nothing but suffering and death.

You see, you obviously haven't matured enough to know and understand that we are all INDIVIDUALS in this world. What one person thinks is his/her utopia doesn't have to be your utopia.

People have different ideas on what sort of world, or nation they want to live in, and I assure you that your socialistic ideas are not shared by all people in this world.

Having a One World Government would mean that everyone will have to abide by the rules of that government. Now, what sort of government are you going to bring?

Do you not know that for example there are Islamic nations that abide by Sharia Law?... Do you know ANYTHING about Sharia Law?... If you don't then I would suggest you learn a bit about it and you will see how the "utopia" even among socialists do not agree with each other.

Many, if not a majority of Islamic nations, are socialist in nature, yet they have many different ideas than your own, or than those of other socialists or communists. Now, how would you reconcile these differences?... For that matter how would you reconciles the fact that BILLIONS of people will not agree with having YOUR socialist utopia in charge of their lives... How would you reconcile with this fact?...

Will you, or your socialist utopia become another "warlord" of sorts and FORCE your ideas on others?..

Originally posted by muse7

Yeah because look at where this "autonomy" has gotten us.

Our planet is being polluted worse than ever before. More people are dying of starvation and diseases every day. Fact is we need to get rid of mindsets such as yours because it's not leading us no where.

The only place it's leading us is towards extinction.

And we can see exactly what sort of government your "socialist utopia" will bring... You want to "get rid of his mindset"... You would become nothing short of yet ANOTHER socialist/communist dictator...

This is the problem with people such as yourself. Your ignorance is what is really wrong with this world. People as ignorant as yourself claiming to "know what is best for everyone and wanting to force such ideas on everyone"...

Originally posted by coyotepoet
this has always been an interesting concept to me, because I too, for the most part, feel that the eradication of national borders is the next step in realizing that all is one and we are all responsible for each other. On the other hand, there is the NWO vision of that which is for the few and not the many. I believe there is potential for great light and great darkness from such a system.

You will only TRADE one dictatorship for another... Why is it that people such as yourself want EVERYONE to abide by what YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU want?...

Why can't you let people DECIDE and CHOOSE what THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY as INDIVIDUALS want?...

You want to live in a socialist utopia?... get together with other socialists and do it in a place where EVERYONE wants your socialist idea, but do not FORCE, FORCE, FORCE, FORCE your ideas on people...

Originally posted by kykweer

Originally posted by MidnightTide
One world government over my dead body.

Looking at who wrote the OP, I can just imagine what kind of one government that would be. Forget individualism, forget personal worth....its all about the masses - eh comrade? Essentially, they want complete and utter control of everything. They assume that you are unable to look after yourself, that the government must decide what is right for you.

Don't fall for this "FOR THE PEOPLE" rhetoric. If this one world government comes to be, just watch what happens to those who don't agree.

edit on 17-3-2012 by MidnightTide because: (no reason given)

WHAT IF...
"They" have brainwashed you to believe a one world government will be bad for us?

"They" have all the power already apparently, so why on earth would they want everything to change so dramatically when "they" already control everything?

There is no one on earth that I would trust that kind of power, no one.

Originally posted by Jace26
reply to post by muse7

 

. The UN was created to prevent wars via diplomacy and judging from its track record it almost always fails to prevent them

How can you possibly measure this? One certainly can't measure a war that didn't happen nor is it logically sound to suggest that because any given war did happen that a diplomatic body is useless.