Santorum jumps the shark. Pledges to make porn illegal

Originally posted by Morningglory
I thought church/prayer was supposed to keep all that temptation stuff in check? Really shouldn't be a problem for the religious. I don't think the Amish are having a problem with online porn...what a concept they chose to change their own lives instead of forcing change on the rest of us.

I think you just won the thread.

reply to post by Afterthought


Believe me when I say that I understand children/preteens are exposed to a lot through the internet. My younger brother is a freshman this year and has three classmates that are currently pregnant. He's had other girls send him incredibly inappropriate text messages and images. I get that there is A LOT that kids are exposed to today.

However, the internet is simply a new form of entertainment, and entertainment has always and will always be criticized for exposing the public to all manner of nefarious activity. Even Plato wanted music and paintings in his time (those that we now view as classics) censored because he felt that art shaped character, and needed to be controlled.

Just yesterday I read in a local paper that a woman was outraged after watching The Crucible on stage because it depicted sexual acts. It was mandatory for us to read and watch The Crucible in H.S.

The internet is a big part of our lives today. Sometimes I love that fact (I get to connect with people from all over the globe and gain information and knowledge that otherwise I might not have.) Sometimes I hate it ( Facebook. *sigh*) But it is undeniably a part of our lives and by telling me that I can't access something legal, simply because one deems it obscene in their own mind, is not something I agree with.

And trust me, there is A LOT of porn that I personally find pretty gross. But as long as it's two consenting adults, I'll simply not view it if it bothers me.

reply to post by SaturnFX


No, I don't believe that brick and mortar stores should be shut down. I also don't believe that the channels should be regulated. You have to be 21 (?) to get a hotel room anyways.

So, I'll repeat myself. Not everything needs to be available online. Although, whatever is deemed unfit for the internet should be available somewhere as long as it isn't illegal such as child porn.

reply to post by HangTheTraitors


You DO realize that a lot of the porn actresses do it reluctantly right? Usually coerced with money and drugs and mental abuse right? So don't come here and spout off about how "great" the porn industry is. Because it's just like Hollywood, vile and corrupt. (For the most part.)

With that being said, I like porn. I don't like Santorum. Hence, I could never vote for him. But someone else said that he's here just to make the others look more palatable. I couldn't agree more. It reminds me of a scene from "Mrs. Doubtfire". Robin Williams calls his ex wife doing various voices. One is beating the kids, the other doesn't speak English, the other woman who called used to be a guy etc... And then "Mrs. Doubtfire" comes with a pleasant English accent and it's a life saver.

Just like this presidential race, push in some crazies and it makes Obama (or whoever) look like a life saver. "Well, at least he's better then Newt!" they'll say while voting...

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Sex has become a bit less potent in todays younger society..yes..true.
I am not sure that this is a bad thing...and if I look overseas at nordic areas where it never was as taboo as the states, and see they are actually far happier and more well adjusted as a people...makes me realize such discussions are based on fear of change more than anything solid to point at.

Interesting. I'm finding that to be true also. I'm raising my grandkids.

In my generation it was still about finding a man and get married.

But today -- kids are far more aware that its an open world with many possibilities. Sex isn't just about having babies. And its just not all that important.

reply to post by Morningglory

I really don't see a problem with online porn. I honestly can't remember the last time a porn site came up in my search results. Maybe it's because I choose to ignore them Idk. It makes me wonder what some of these religious fanatics and their suppressed children are searching for if porn keeps popping up for them. Parents have the option to filter the whole world from their kids if that's what they want. All it takes is some effort. It's a sad state when people are too lazy to take control over their own life/kids and want government to do it for them. If internet porn is too tempting for some kids take away their computers and send them to the library. I thought church/prayer was supposed to keep all that temptation stuff in check? Really shouldn't be a problem for the religious. I don't think the Amish are having a problem with online porn...what a concept they chose to change their own lives instead of forcing change on the rest of us.

Yes - just yes to everything you said.

Santorum wants to dictate conservative Christian morality via government and I am totally against that.

People call Santorum a Conservative but he isn't at all, at best he is just a Imperialist Christian.

reply to post by Misoir


"So, based upon the stated above, I agree with Santorum on the issue of banning hardcore pornography in an effort to uphold a transcendent, common good. To those who believe merely in the existence of a personal, subjective good commonly advocated by Secularists who think anything consensual is basically a generally acceptable act: I can understand why you object to this but it does not change the fact that a common, transcendent good must be upheld and enforced by the legislatures."

Bravo! Very well stated. Thank you for being a true voice of reason, not just the "whatever I want to do is nobody's business if it doesn't harm people" variety. The pornography industry harms so many of its players! And by extension, what harms my sister, harms me.

Here's an interesting site about brain chemistry, impotence, and porn consumption:

yourbrainonporn.com...

Originally posted by Morningglory
I thought church/prayer was supposed to keep all that temptation stuff in check? Really shouldn't be a problem for the religious. I don't think the Amish are having a problem with online porn...what a concept they chose to change their own lives instead of forcing change on the rest of us.

The Amish just have a huge problem with incest.

Maybe internet porn would help solve that problem.

Originally posted by MidnightTide
Santorum wants to dictate conservative Christian morality via government and I am totally against that.

People call Santorum a Conservative but he isn't at all, at best he is just a Imperialist Christian.

Yeah - and there are a lot more people then you might think who want that to happen.

Many still believe America is a Christian nation and do not accept separation of church and state.

Just felt like bringing this post back here for reference (above poster thinking porn = categorically bad)

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Misoir
I agree with Santorum on the issue of banning hardcore pornography in an effort to uphold a transcendent, common good.

Trancendent common good. what a interesting concept.
I would argue that porn has done far more good in society than places where such places and cultures are forbidden to have it.
Porn is the frontrunner of technology first off..and that in itself is the only thing needed to check any amount of cons..but we can continue.
First, let me actually source my statements (something Rickypoo doesn't like doing..fact checking)
Porn drives tech

Next,
Pornography DECREASES rape
Source
Excerpt: The incidence of rape in the United States has declined 85% in the past 25 years while access to pornography has become freely available to teenagers and adults. The Nixon and Reagan Commissions tried to show that exposure to pornographic materials produced social violence. The reverse may be true: that pornography has reduced social violence.

I will leave just that for now..yes, I very much could go on...
point is, The idea that porn somehow is damaging is categorically false and at worst, it is a neutral aspect of society, or at best, the motivator of progress and our survival as a species....probably somewhere in the middle though.

To those who believe merely in the existence of a personal, subjective good commonly advocated by Secularists who think anything consensual is basically a generally acceptable act.

It is
It simply is
Proud to be a secular, if the alternative is someone spreading lies and disinformation in order to have mental control over morals subjective to only my personal desire.
Those whom do not want to live in a secular society can petition non-secular countries for visa's and pack their crap...Enjoy Saudi Arabia.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I will keep my religion of human sexuality, and my free speech/press of penthouse.

The greater moral good..what a laugh. What actually -is- provably damaging to the human psyche and a nation is conspiracys...would you be on board someone wanting to shut the net down because it allows people to sew discord in the minds of people?

My how far some people fall.

Incidentally, Misoir and I are friends, half the time we agree, half the time we disagree, so don't think this is a default take one side or another based on people you like more.
This is simply one area I disagree with him on, and think he got replaced with some sort of alien vegetable.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Morningglory
I thought church/prayer was supposed to keep all that temptation stuff in check? Really shouldn't be a problem for the religious. I don't think the Amish are having a problem with online porn...what a concept they chose to change their own lives instead of forcing change on the rest of us.

I think you just won the thread.

Exactly right. Both the far left and far right want to legislate our thoughts and morality/amorality. Most of us are somewhere int eh middle. Who would have thought to let us work things out for ourselves?

reply to post by Thaxter


Then perhaps the players that are being affected should stop doing what it is that is harming them.

If I touch a hot stove eye, I pull away. If I leave my hand there and am subsequently burned, it's on me. I don't need a govt. banning my kitchen appliances.

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Unfortunately, reality has a liberal bias, I cannot help it that conservatives can't except reality.
Conservatism is Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran, burn the gays, ban the porno, stick cameras in the
women, color coded terror charts as well as some of Ron Paul's ideas. You can't handle the
truth so you live in perpetual denial. When you vote for the candidate that does and advocates
for exactly those things you deny are you being a RINO?

You've just described the classic liberal characterization of conservatives, an exaggerated caricature that has absolutely no basis in reality. Burn gays? Really? Isn't that a bit dramatic? And I see you couldn't help yourself with the Ron Paul bashing. It's a compulsion with you.

Yet conservatives have a home for the burn gays crowd, yes I would say their signs about burning
gays is dramatic. All these things are the hodgepodge that are conservatism, Ron Paul's libertarian
perspective is a small component of the whole. It is compulsory to keep reminding you guys that your
ideas and policies are two different things. Rick Santorum and his ideas resonate with a large number
of conservatives, hence his poll position. So am I being an asshole? Or are you in denial of the true
nature of conservatism?

Also, don't presume to know what I am. If you did know me, you'd learn that we would probably agree on more things than disagree, but you insist on taking the faaaaaaaar left stance on every single topic on this site, which makes me believe that you are either an operative, or just plain dumb.

I know we would agree on a whole bunch... I do not take that faaaaaaaaaaaar left view, that is what
is so ironic. Conservatism has set up their political machine to equate opposition with "far left", this
is how the right wing gets to introduce their war agenda and their ban pornography agenda, exactly
because you allow your compass to have two readings Far Left and "conservative".

Originally posted by Thaxter
reply to post by Misoir

 

"So, based upon the stated above, I agree with Santorum on the issue of banning hardcore pornography in an effort to uphold a transcendent, common good.

When ever you ban something - - it goes to the Black Market - - where it is completely free of any regulations.

Common good? Be careful what you wish for.

Originally posted by MidnightTide
Santorum wants to dictate conservative Christian morality via government and I am totally against that.

People call Santorum a Conservative but he isn't at all, at best he is just a Imperialist Christian.

Rick Santorum is a conservative, his ideas are mainstream, that is the entire Midwest/Deep South vote

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Morningglory
I thought church/prayer was supposed to keep all that temptation stuff in check? Really shouldn't be a problem for the religious. I don't think the Amish are having a problem with online porn...what a concept they chose to change their own lives instead of forcing change on the rest of us.

I think you just won the thread.

Is it too late to ask if Santorum was taken out of context?

Maybe he misspoke? I don't see how he could enforce making porn illegal.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Morningglory
I thought church/prayer was supposed to keep all that temptation stuff in check? Really shouldn't be a problem for the religious. I don't think the Amish are having a problem with online porn...what a concept they chose to change their own lives instead of forcing change on the rest of us.

I think you just won the thread.

Is it too late to ask if Santorum was taken out of context?

Maybe he misspoke? I don't see how he could enforce making porn illegal.

He demands a crackdown on the distribution of hardcore pornography on the Internet, in addition to material on cable/satellite TV, hotel/motel TV, retail shops and through the mail.

Cable, stores, hotels, mail, etc.
no, all forms everywhere.
From his website:

Current federal “obscenity” laws prohibit distribution of hardcore (obscene) pornography on the Internet, on cable/satellite TV, on hotel/motel TV, in retail shops and through the mail or by common carrier. Rick Santorum believes that federal obscenity laws should be vigorously enforced. “If elected President, I will appoint an Attorney General who will do so.”

Basically, obscene porn, according to Ricky, is hardcore porn...ban it all wherever it is.
He says illegal porn, but he is very much saying all porn outside of soft stuff is illegal, as it is obscene (to him).

Word for word, his, right on his website to read.
Family values and whatnot. Yes, hardcore porn (XXX) is covered, in his opinion, by obscenity laws and should be outlawed (in his opinion,it is already illegal)..and enforced.

Wonder how much it would cost to create a massive new branch of government to stamp out porn wherever it may be..

reply to post by Misoir


"As for death, I agree that pornography does not cause death and that my analogy was not a perfect one but I was rushing."

Actually, HIV is rampant with women and men in the industry, and HIV is often fatal. So, yes, the porn industry breeds HIV, which leads to death.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
I don't see how he could enforce making porn illegal.

I said that on page 1 of this thread. It's merely a ploy for votes. He can't repeal the 1st.