Leon Panetta wants to execute the soldier in the Afghanistan massacre

I believe there was also some question of witnesses seeing more troops, possibly drunk, laughing. Then there is the part where they refuse to release his name, citing the safety of his family (which of course may hold some truth).

What will come out next?

Again, is there any source for this OP beyond rumor or conjecture?

Don't get me wrong, I think there is something very, very dangerous about having the former C.I.A. director step in as Secretary of Defense....

Any crimes and charges that are brought up by any soldier should be shared with our commander and chief if the soldier gets jail time so should the president for having us stay in a war without proper cause.

The president is the criminal here... the soldiers are victims

The government are the terrorist, thats why they keep all our soldiers in other countries... bring our boys home so they can continue the fight against terrorism here at our nations capital

Don't have much sympathy for the soldier, he took the lives of 16 people, including women and children, as well as putting his fellow soldiers at risk and increasing the risk of reprisals against foreigners in general. If he gets a death sentence he, he deserves it

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My question to you is this: does that justify the brutal and horrific murder of many innocents? If I were to go outside and commit mass murder, and in court I claimed that I watch my father die so I am mentally disabled and can not be held accountable for my actions, I should be given pardon? I mean this in the up-most respect.
I also don't think anyone should have been sent to war, unless they were volunteers and the ones that wanted war went with them.

The thing is you just can't know for sure so you can't kill him for his actions.

Nobody else could know for sure, but he did. He knew he was going to kill these people and could have stopped himself, but chose not to. That is murder, and should be met with the same treatment.

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ETA:Well apparently I'm crazy and that particular thread has never existed...so this thread is re-opened and moved to the proper forum.

Join the club,lol

I think Leon should let the courts decide, am I the only one that finds this whole thing strange?

Originally posted by michaelbrux
they should at least identify the suspect so an opinion can be formed.

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Well if he drops dead suddenly, I wont be surprised.

Fourth deployment after being told the third would be his last, wasn't thrilled to go, highly decorated, friends say he wasn't known to drink, twice injured, upset over friend that was gravely injured.

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I was enraged too at the guy, but it is true they get mind-jacked and are used over and over again like a washclothe, and most soldiers want to go back. I admire and respect anyone who is willing to defend their land, even if it is under false pretense. I think alot of soldiers are criminals before they leave the US, being in a strange land not knowing if you get to see the next sunrise. Soldiers are pawns, and war is a murderous game of chess. Hate the game, not the pawns. Americans need to let TPTB know we are tired of stories like this-we want our land defended but only a moron would think what's been happening in the ME has ANYTHING to do with our safety. The 9/11 False Flag fooled the majority, and now the US fights in a Holy War, Israel's war, trying to bring about Armageddon. Hah! And the majority that got suckered will suffer the consequence when the tides change. Bush and Barry are responsible for the deaths of any Afghans, not a boy or man who think the lie they were told is the truth.


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He murders 16 people, including women and children, and he should be exempt from just punishment? What should justice even be in this scenario? How can any pain we can inflict upon him come near the pain he has inflicted on the people he killed and their families. In my opinion, execution is the easy way out and hardly serves justice whatsoever. The actions committed by this man, regardless of his mental state, are nothing to make excuses for. If he is mentally unstable, he should spend the rest of his life in a mental institution, drugged to the gills.

Don't blame the military for creating a monster out of this guy; I don't see every soldier in Afghanistan going on child slaughtering rampages, do you?

By the way, life is life; the life of an Afghan is worth no less and no more than the life of an American. If we would execute him for slaughtering 16 Americans, we should execute him for slaughtering 16 Afghans.

Originally posted by Freeborn
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I understand that the Afghanistan judicial system is still under construction but this arrogant disregard for procedure and Afghan interests shows a complete lack or care or respect for the victims, their families and the Afghan people as a whole.

Under construction? You'll have to show me where one really exists at all, as such. As the world outside that nation exists, they don't really have one. A tribal council of the local village hearing and determine guilt with a quick shot to the guilty out back when they're done? I'm not trying to be insulting to the Afghan's...I'm being realistic. The other nation's I noted have formal systems, like the U.S. and almost every other nation in the world does. For those who haven't heard of the place, Fort Leavenworth, Kansas has the worst of the worst of our Military. That includes guys who committed some of the more terrible atrocities of Vietnam. We have a system..and this guy won't get away with anything.

Where you seem to see it as a morality judgement, I'm simply looking at a nation that's been at war now for over 30 continuous years. That means few there have really ever known that place when it wasn't in total, open and ongoing war. There just is no system, and no...I would not want to even joke about throwing a U.S. Citizen into that kind of a meat grinder.


There is one OTHER MAJOR factor here few seem to be thinking about. If he's handed to the locals and they kill him, then any questions about how he came to be there and in a position to do all this will die with him, right there.

That would be a nice way for those in command above him to get off fairly easy...but I'd personally like to know how this happened so it may be prevented with other guys who need to be moved out of the war. Who ignored the signs? What signs were there?

There is a lot to find out and a Kangaroo court with a gunshot verdict there won't answer any of it.

i think the people who sent him there in the first place should get the death penalty.

This animal murders innocent men, women and CHILDREN and we have ats chickenhawks defending him?!

W T F ?!?!

The usual suspects have sunk to a new low I see...

As a Brit I have to say that this situation is farcical. This American soldier has done immense damage and has committed an absolutely abominable crime. There is no justification for the killings, or for putting countless others (and indeed the entire future of Afghanistan) in an even more dangerous situation. In the end he will be responsible for many, many more deaths.

The soldier simply cannot, and should not, escape punishment. But the fact that Americans and Afghans are screaming for executions just shows how utterly immature both nationalities are. If the soldier was indeed mentally ill then he needs to be put in an appropriate institution and measures need to be taken to ensure that the risk of it happening with other soldiers are reduced (though the risk can never be eliminated). If the soldier is found to of been of sound mind then he should be incarcerated for life.

The Americans are supposed to be setting an example of how civilised people behave, but the actions of this criminal soldier and the American response to it are just sending the opposite signals. How on earth could the Americans have concluded that removing the soldier from Afghanistan, without even informing the Afghan authorities, would do anything but make the situation worse.

Flip it around and imagine a foreign soldier did this on US soil - the US would probably go to war with the nation the soldier was from. In my opinion the US needs to be much more diplomatic about things - I think the Afghans are mostly being extremely tolerant about this all things considered.

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It's irrelevant that he's a US citizen, he's no better or no worse than anyone else and deserves no special treatment at all.
US citizens are not above the law and it's just that attitude that disgusts the rest of the world - it stinks of the pompous arrogance of old fashioned European colonialism.

I am by no means anti-US or an Islamic apologist but this just stinks of American arrogance and complete lack of regard or respect for the Afghani people.

Of course those who ordered his redeployment and those who are responsible for the whole debacle that is the Middle East and Afghanistan in particular have more than just a degree of responsiblity, but ultimately this person chose, for whatever reason, to indiscriminately slaughter at least 16 innocent people, including women and children.

Of course he deserves a fair trial.
But it should be in Afghanistan; Afghani citizens were ruthlessly murdered in Afghanistan.
End of story.
And there is no way on earth Karzai would allow The Taliban or anyone else to torture and brutally slaughter this person.

But please explain to me exactly what the difference is between beheading and electrocution or poisoning?

For the US to take the moral high ground on this is laughable.

The US should be working with the Karzai administration to ensure he get's a fair trial, under Afghani law.

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How does that work exactly, in other wars do they turn over soldiers to be prosecuted for war crimes?
I don't know that much about this.

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sure he would like this to happen as it lowers the risk that the rest of the world starts to understand that we've being lied to once again. Kill the scape goat.

Originally posted by NeverSleepingEyes
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sure he would like this to happen as it lowers the risk that the rest of the world starts to understand that we've being lied to once again. Kill the scape goat.

Yea, considering Leon's job description.

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People have been tried at The Hague, and of course there were The Nuremburg Trials.

But this wasn't a war crime...it was a deliberate act of murder carried out by a soldier on civilians.

In a bit of a rush at the present, it's pub o'clock, so I can't trawl around looking for links until later but I know that during WWII several American GI's committed murder whilst stationed in the UK and they were tried in the UK in accordance with UK Law.

I suppose as with most things there's no easy answer, but it's the duplicit way the soldier was spirited out of the country with apparent complete disregard for the victims families, the Afghan people and the country they are trying to build.
It just reeks of arrogant disdain and has done the US no favours whatsoever.

Forgive me if this has been mentioned already, but the guy is a psychopath. Honestly, I'm surprised they don't want to keep him around and study his brain.

Let's look at the facts. First, they said he'd suffered a brain injury. Now, they're saying he'd been drinking heavily. He even has admitted to believing he has the "killer gene". He also admitted to amping himself up on porn and that killing aroused him. If the guy isn't a wack job through nature and/or nurture, I'd think that he's been MKed and Panetta is worried about him talking, so eliminating him is the safest way to go in order to cover their own butts.

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The way this administration handles things never ceases to amaze me.

From OBL to Awlaki, Oh, I left out them overthrowing, and trying to overthrow kings and kingdoms.