Racial Profiling and A Heartbreaking Tragedy.

Originally posted by Bullypulpit
reply to post by femalepharoe

 

How is it racist to state he had a right to protect his neighborhood?(that's what you said)Sp no one can protect his neighborhood/property from criminals without being a racist if they aren't the same race?I didn't say the dead kid was a criminal,I'm going off solely what you said.Explain please why I can't protect my neighborhood against someone of a different race?

If all he did was call 9-11 to report someone "suspicious" to protect the neighborhood, then fine. The fact that he racially profiled this kid because he was black is what makes this a racial issue. He specifically targeted Trayvon Martin because he was black and walking home from the convenience store.
No one is saying you can't protect your neighborhood against someone of a different race. If it's a legitimate reason to be afraid, go for it. I've personally done that plenty of times while driving through my neighborhood. But, that protection only goes to an extent. It does not give anyone the right to hunt down someone. It does not give anyone the right to begin an altercation after a 9-11 dispatcher said not to follow said person. It does not give anyone the right to attack someone for simply walking home.

ETA: To add to what Zimmerman did while on the phone with the dispatcher, he states "These a--holes. They always get away." and he is heard whispering "f--king coons" while chasing Martin. Those also make this a racial issue. If he's not a racist, why did he use a racial term? Why did he say those things?

Originally posted by jrod
reply to post by Believer101

 

That's it. Someone told me he beat the homeless man to death, he 'only' knocked him out, I had bad info. Thanks for posting the link.

You're welcome. I remember another article about this, but that one was from a quick Google search for you. If I remember correctly, he did beat the homeless man, but not to death.

There is obviously some sort of police cover going on here. No one just gets off on nothing for resisting arrest and physically harming a police officer like Zimmerman did. He wanted to be a police officer, so obviously he knew them well. Not to mention the fact he'd called 9-11 40+ times in the past for ridiculous reasons.

reply to post by Believer101


Put that way you are correct but look at your original statement that I was responding to....what you said then made no sense

But,again,emotions are clouding the letter of the law,or people are adding facts not in evidence to make a case that isn't there....Zim was legally where he was no matter what he was doing,he was legally armed(as far as is known)and he's smart enough to make it seem he was in fear for his life... The law is clear...nobody said he was dumb

reply to post by popsmayhem


girl friend of vic says phone was on ....what will that evidence say?

Originally posted by rebellender
reply to post by popsmayhem

 

girl friend of vic says phone was on ....what will that evidence say?

She is claiming she heard trayvon
tell her that some guy was following
him and that we was going to #*
him up.. Well that did not happen,
I mean trayvon got a few good punches on zimmerman
but zimmerman KO'd him in one shot..
That is why zimmerman was not arrested because it was
known that zimmerman was attacked.. A DEAD MAN CAN
NOT ATTACK YOU, SO obviously trayvon as per say
of the g/f's hearsay phone call went to confront zimmerman
zimmerman was afraid for him life after being punched multiple
times as treyvon tried to take his gun, gun went off treyvon dead..

All this is is a terrible accident, they both acted not 100% on mind
just emotions.. Treyvans emotions got him killed.

reply to post by femalepharoe

the fact that someone starred your comment is unsettling.

I stared him because what he says is the truth.

the reality: 1. A life is a life.

a life is a life until it is your life, then you do what ever it take to keep breathing,
When it comes down to protecting your life its a little different.
That's what a Jury will look at.

Originally posted by rebellender
reply to post by popsmayhem

 

girl friend of vic says phone was on ....what will that evidence say?

Nothing...no recording

Originally posted by rebellender
reply to post by popsmayhem

 

girl friend of vic says phone was on ....what will that evidence say?

She has given a statement of what she says she heard...but how creditable she can be unde cross exam will tell the tale

Originally posted by Bullypulpit
But,again,emotions are clouding the letter of the law,or people are adding facts not in evidence to make a case that isn't there....Zim was legally where he was no matter what he was doing,he was legally armed(as far as is known)and he's smart enough to make it seem he was in fear for his life... The law is clear...nobody said he was dumb

Your logic makes no sense. By your logic I could go to Florida stand on the side walk and because I am there legally I can randomly stalk then shoot someone and by merely saying it was self defense I can get away with it? Legally being somewhere and legally being armed, does not give me the right to kill someone.

Originally posted by rebellender
reply to post by popsmayhem

 

girl friend of vic says phone was on ....what will that evidence say?

the evidence , the factual phone logs, substantiate the young woman's claims.

Look it's no ones fault that you never had a girl friend in high school and doesn't know how "dating' works.

Was it a gated community and was he trespassing?

Originally posted by rebellender
That's what a Jury will look at.

The cops would of arrested zimmerman
if zimmerman did not have the bruises
and beats on his face. They have it documented
people came running out of there house cops
showed up within min. after the shooting
zimmerman had no time to wound himself
and the cut marks on treyvons hands prove
he punched zimmerman. putting zimmerman
in a position where he assumed his life was at risk..
Was zimmerman and treyvon acting not to smart
yes. If treyvon would of never hit zimmerman zimmerman
would not of shot him.

Originally posted by Ameliaair
Was it a gated community and was he trespassing?

is this a rhetorical question for the people defending zimmerman?

or have you read nothing about the case?

reply to post by popsmayhem


Let's put this into context.

A husband beats a wife. The wife shoots him. The cops come. The woman has bruises.

so when this happens do the cops TYPICALLY

a) say - oh well she has bruises it was self defense

or

B) say - we understand that this may be self defense but as a man is here dead we have to arrest you until we get the facts???

No one in the history of a non corrupt crime case is allowed to murder someone, be at the scene, and sleep in their bed the same night...
it doesn't happen.

Originally posted by femalepharoe

Originally posted by Ameliaair
Was it a gated community and was he trespassing?

is this a rhetorical question for the people defending zimmerman?

or have you read nothing about the case?

I am not defending anyone. i asked a simple question .

Was it a gated community? And was this kid trespassing on private property?


Funny how you already hung this guy.

Originally posted by Ameliaair

Originally posted by femalepharoe

Originally posted by Ameliaair
Was it a gated community and was he trespassing?

is this a rhetorical question for the people defending zimmerman?

or have you read nothing about the case?

I am not defending anyone. i asked a simple question .

Was it a gated community? And was this kid trespassing on private property?


Funny how you already hung this guy.

no . I just think it was funny that you are commenting on this thread and have not read anything about the case or the comments.

Was it a gated community : YES

Was he trespassing: NO - his father owns a HOME in the gated community . He was spending his vacation with his father and was walking home to his fathers house from the store.

--- in summation:

YES , there are some middle class black people in this world and some of them own homes and/or live in gated communities.

reply to post by popsmayhem

in a position where he assumed his life was at risk..

exactly what some here dont want want to do.
assume their life is a risk.
This doesnt always happen to the other guy.
some should keep this in mind as they go building an a gallows out of the blue

reply to post by Believer101


I've followed this case and personally speaking Florida law needs to be reviewed and refined. Florida is a stand your ground state, meaning a person has absolutely no requirement to disengage from an encounter, even if that option exists.

As far as racial profiling goes - Its a tough call on that simply because the area was having issues with break ins / burglaries etc. In an area like that it would be permissible to check on people who are in those areas.

In the case of the neighnorhood watch guy I am not understanding where he gets self defense out of the shooting. Even more so since dispatch told him to stop following and not to confront the individual.

I believe based on the info the neighborhood watch guy went way to far in this instant. As far as not arresting the guy people need to understand how that works. Law Enforcement does NOT file charges per se. They work the calls and submit a report to the PA (with a recomendation on what laws were violated) who is the ultimate authority on whether or not charges will go forward.

If Florida law covers the watch cpatian and his actions, law enforcement cannot be held liable for the way the law itself is phrased. The other caveats in terms of how a law is enfiorced comes from the PA of the county as well as the AG for the state. They can issue "opinions" in terms of how a particular law is to be enforced. Its almost like the signing statemetns Presidents have used in order to explain how a law is to be taken at the Federal level.

I have abslutely no issues when people exercise deadly force in order to protect themselves or 3rd parties, even more so when its a forced encounter. I am not a fan of the retreat doctrine at all as I feel it protects criminals by restricting the law abiding citizens rights.

In this case the watch captian should have done as he was told and not confront the person. The other issue Ihave is the watch captain did not bother to identify the target as a threat prior to the shooting. As far as the acting in self defense I would argue that the kid who was killed most likely was doing the same. How many people here would view a person coming at you with a gun in hand in the night as a threat?

The law needs to be clarified, which sadly will most likely allow this guy to get away with murder.

My opinion is based on the info available to the public and is just that, an opinion.The ultimate goal of the citizens, the police and neighborhood watches is to work together to identify the problems, the people behind the problems and to use the system to deal with those problems.

The goal is not to confront and kill with the hope the action is justified after the fact. Also I have a feeeling that somewhere in FL case law there are rulings that created a seperate standard when it comes to standards for the use of deadly force exercised by civilians than by law enforcement.

Originally posted by femalepharoe

Originally posted by Ameliaair

Originally posted by femalepharoe

Originally posted by Ameliaair
Was it a gated community and was he trespassing?

is this a rhetorical question for the people defending zimmerman?

or have you read nothing about the case?

I am not defending anyone. i asked a simple question .

Was it a gated community? And was this kid trespassing on private property?


Funny how you already hung this guy.

no . I just think it was funny that you are commenting on this thread and have not read anything about the case or the comments.

Was it a gated community : YES

Was he trespassing: NO - his father owns a HOME in the gated community . He was spending his vacation with his father and was walking home to his fathers house from the store.

--- in summation:

YES , there are some middle class black people in this world and some of them own homes and/or live in gated communities.

Well I can see where your mind is. no sense in even addressing you anymore.