New Footage 9/11 Second Tower Explosion Incredibly Clear Video From Helicopter - Where Is The Plane?

reply to post by zorgon


that is a pretty big hunka plane
124 ft 10 in (38.05 m)
155 ft 3 in (47.32 m)
44 ft 6 in (14 m)

it would take a scrapping crew quite a while to cut that up and ship it out

Originally posted by ProudBird


BTW....just having an ATP, or even a Commercial Certificate, if they have no actual hands-on experience in a Transport Category jet, well then.....perhaps they need some.

Oh brother...do tell me how many hours you have?

If you only knew the truth. You would not be quite so arrogant.

*alas, I am but a vessel.

dblew post

Originally posted by zorgon
reply to post by ProudBird


TWA says this is a 757 engine

www.flyian.net...

a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com...

none of THOSE are from conspiracy sites. Now you going to tell me that THOSE are not the real thing too?

i wonder zorgon, do you have any idea, any at all, about what is inside a jet turbine engine? or do you just see the outside of jet engines, see the small turbine blade and say NOPE.

Originally posted by Danbones
reply to post by Shadow Herder

 

that may be so
if you have some links that indicate that, I'm all eyes
we have discussed the israelis..... mossad.....
......

Israeli companies involved in 911. Google that. Amdocs, Ptech. Learn that that the attackers used the 911 wargame exercises as cover to execute the attack,

Learn that Israeli agents not only were spying on the 911 terrorists months if not years prior to the events of 911. The Israelis also usually lived right next door to the hijackers as they trained in the u.s.

Those are the real facts. Talking about what happened after the 1st plane hit is stupid. Focus on everything before the plane hit.

Originally posted by Shadow Herder

This thread and its theories are well crafted and quite aged (2002). They were designed to smear the truth movement and mainly to mislead and derail the real investigator while defecating on internet forums such as this one and on the memories of the victims of 911.

The real 911 evidence has to do with Amdocs, Ptech, Israel, and other groups who used the 911 war games as cover while making it look like another group did as to create a reason to invade Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Libya, and eventually in their hopes, Iran.

I agree that the OP here is suspect. The title of the thread itself is deceiving:
"New Footage 9/11 Second Tower Explosion Incredibly Clear Video From Helicopter"

The footage is far from "New"--poor quality versions of this footage have been circulating around YouTube for several years.

The OP clip is far from "Incredibly Clear Video"--it was uploaded in the lowest quality 240p format. There are numerous higher quality versions available on youtube, not to mention the original UNCOMPRESSED format available from The NIST Cumulus Video Database.

The OP video is obviously FAKE. The plane was edited out. This is very simple to prove.

The OP has successfully steered this thread down the same disinfo sinkhole we've seen on ATS again and again, resurrecting bogus "evidence" that's been thoroughly debunked and put to rest for years.

It's crazy how this nonsense perpetuates.

reply to post by burntheships


Editted: Nevermind, it's been said enough

Originally posted by Shadow Herder
. Talking about what happened after the 1st plane hit is stupid. Focus on everything before the plane hit.

Really. What about the collapse of WTC North, South, and WTC 7.
Controlled Demolition.

What about the Saudi's that so conveniently escaped.
The ones the FBI aided in access to the airport at which they trained,
you know the pilots that supposedly flew the flights ...of the planes
that just totally disintegrated.

reply to post by lunarasparagus


Oh you too, seems you post exclusive in the 9/11 forum?
You think the OS is "true"?

New to ATS, welcome to you.

Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by lunarasparagus

 

Oh you too, seems you post exclusive in the 9/11 forum?

I guess that makes me a "shill"? I'm still waiting for that pay-check from the government (if any other shills on here can tell me how to log my hours and get paid, I'd appreciate it).

You think the OS is "true"?

I think trying to qualify the "OS" as either true or false is rather simplistic. That kind of black and white thinking has never made sense to me, but what does the "OS" have to do with your OP? You know, the incredibly clear new video with no plane?

New to ATS, welcome to you.

I see you've been around awhile, which is one reason this thread seems suspect.

Originally posted by choos
i wonder zorgon, do you have any idea, any at all, about what is inside a jet turbine engine? or do you just see the outside of jet engines, see the small turbine blade and say NOPE.

Originally posted by Danbones

U.S. Navy 'Top Gun' Pilot Questions 9/11

www.youtube.com...
thats "TOPGUN COMMANDER"

I don't have anthing to add to this guys opinion of 911
Im not a pilot, I'm only occasioanaly a passenger....

I did note the bit where he points out the buildings were designed to withstand the inpact of a jet liner.

edit on 15-3-2012 by Danbones because: (no reason given)

Commander Ralph “Rotten” Kolstad
23,000 hours
27 years in the airlines
B757/767 for 13 years mostly international Captain with American Airlines.
20 years US Navy flying fighters off aircraft carriers, TopGun twice
civilian pilot flying gliders, light airplanes and warbirds
Command time in:
- N644AA (Aircraft dispatched as American 77)
- N334AA (Aircraft dispatched as American 11)

pilotsfor911truth.org...

NOTE this guy ACTUALLY FLEW THE ACTUAL AIRCRAFT!!!

edit on 15-3-2012 by Danbones because: LINKS!!!

edit on 15-3-2012 by Danbones because: (no reason given)

Interesting.

Thanks for sharing.

These links are also very interesting.

pilotsfor911truth.org...

and -

pilotsfor911truth.org...

Originally posted by lunarasparagus

Originally posted by burntheships

You think the OS is "true"?

I think trying to qualify the "OS" as either true or false is rather simplistic. That kind of black and white thinking has never made sense to me...

So, the story is a grey area?

You dont like black and white, so you prefer grey?

One thing about being new, and every post made in the 9/11 forum, us
longtimers know things.

reply to post by Shadow Herder

thanks for the tip
IMHO there is no stupid, only a preponderence of rabbit holes
way back in the thread I posted a post about a rabbi discussing his forwarning and profit taking quite frankly

I can think of several rabbit holes yet to be followed
many of them regard money or information handling
personally Im thinkin they are supra national
globalist even...

one rabbit hole goes right from 911...to mister president of the UN obama and includes supeceding congress
and just going to war for the globalist agenda....which is the coup degras of the republic
which Obama, er ooops fraudian slip..Osama may have wanted but it was executed by OSers

reply to post by lunarasparagus


we see a lot of ridicule of questions, what we likes to see are answers


a suspect thread...hmmmm
I saw a suspect thread once, he looked pretty bedraggled
I said hey! are you that suspect thread?
he replied
"look close at my bedraggled contition .....I'm a frayed knot


insinuating a long time poster is suspect for being along time poster is...well... suspect

not like dick cheney is suspect, now thats big league suspect

which is suspect in the way the vid in the op is suspect:
as a tactic to discredit legitimate debate and the recognition by the public that the OS is severly losng ground

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by choos
i wonder zorgon, do you have any idea, any at all, about what is inside a jet turbine engine? or do you just see the outside of jet engines, see the small turbine blade and say NOPE.

that JT8D is not from a global hawk. and before you say its from an A-3 sky warrior, its not from that neither.

umm.. maybe just go here and read:
www.aerospaceweb.org...

Originally posted by choos
umm.. maybe just go here and read:
www.aerospaceweb.org...

edit on 16-3-2012 by choos because: (no reason given)

I read that. And this is what they say......

Based on the sizes of the person standing next to the debris and other objects in the photographs that we can use for comparison, it has been estimated that the disk is approximately 25 to 30 inches (63.5 to 76.2 cm) across

Do you consider the above analysis a scientific investigation of the part allegedly photographed at the Pentagon? An estimation based on a photograph is good enough for you?

Can you please show us the slotted disk on the RB211?

Can you please provide part and serial numbers which match Maintenance logs from N644AA? This is how a real investigation proceeds.

Perhaps you feel an approximation based on a photograph is good enough to go to war, these people disagree.

It would be nice to see a diagram of the global hawk or similar to see if there is a similar component
it is really hard to tell if they are a match

Originally posted by CFerguson

Originally posted by choos
umm.. maybe just go here and read:
www.aerospaceweb.org...

edit on 16-3-2012 by choos because: (no reason given)

I read that. And this is what they say......

Based on the sizes of the person standing next to the debris and other objects in the photographs that we can use for comparison, it has been estimated that the disk is approximately 25 to 30 inches (63.5 to 76.2 cm) across

Do you consider the above analysis a scientific investigation of the part allegedly photographed at the Pentagon? An estimation based on a photograph is good enough for you?

Can you please show us the slotted disk on the RB211?

Can you please provide part and serial numbers which match Maintenance logs from N644AA? This is how a real investigation proceeds.

Perhaps you feel an approximation based on a photograph is good enough to go to war, these people disagree.

u realise truthers are doing the same thing trying to prove there was no plane or there was no 757/767 from pictures?

Originally posted by choos
u realise truthers are doing the same thing trying to prove there was no plane or there was no 757/767 from pictures?

Can you please show us the slotted disk on the RB211?

Can you please provide part and serial numbers which match Maintenance logs from N644AA? This is how a real investigation proceeds.

Second time asked.