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Originally posted by pianopraze
So that's a yes?
Interesting that all the Pilots and Architects are calling BS on the OS...
Originally posted by ProudBird
"every pilot you know"? How many? What are their qualifications??
There was nothing "impossible" about any of the flights of 9/11. Not one thing.
Interesting that all the Pilots and Architects are calling BS on the OS...
Originally posted by LightSpeedDriver
reply to post by tommyjo
You do know the feds confiscated all public footage of the Pentagon "crash", right? 4 or 5 frames were released only....
The people who WROTE the 9/11 report even say it's BS...
U.S. Navy 'Top Gun' Pilot Questions 9/11
Commander Ralph “Rotten” Kolstad
23,000 hours
27 years in the airlines
B757/767 for 13 years mostly international Captain with American Airlines.
20 years US Navy flying fighters off aircraft carriers, TopGun twice
civilian pilot flying gliders, light airplanes and warbirds
Command time in:
- N644AA (Aircraft dispatched as American 77)
- N334AA (Aircraft dispatched as American 11)
Major General Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine III, head of all intelligence says:
Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force – Retired commercial pilot. Flew for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years. Aircraft flown: Boeing 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777. 30,000+ total hours flown. Had previously flown the actual two United Airlines aircraft that were hijacked on 9/11 (Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC). Former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions.
Video interview 9/11 Ripple Effect 8/07: "I flew the two actual aircraft which were involved in 9/11; the Fight number 175 and Flight 93, the 757 that allegedly went down in Shanksville and Flight 175 is the aircraft that's alleged to have hit the South Tower. I don't believe it's possible for, like I said, for a terrorist, a so-called terrorist to train on a [Cessna] 172, then jump in a cockpit of a 757-767 class cockpit, and vertical navigate the aircraft, lateral navigate the aircraft, and fly the airplane at speeds exceeding it's design limit speed by well over 100 knots, make high-speed high-banked turns, exceeding -- pulling probably 5, 6, 7 G's. And the aircraft would literally fall out of the sky. I couldn't do it and I'm absolutely positive they couldn't do it."
911underground.com...
It’s roughly a 100 ton airplane. And an airplane that weighs 100 tons all assembled is still going to have 100 tons of disassembled trash and parts after it hits a building. There was no wreckage from a 757 at the Pentagon. … The vehicle that hit the Pentagon was not Flight 77. We think, as you may have heard before, it was a cruise missile."
Article 7/17/05: "The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S. plain and simple." … Wittenberg convincingly argued there was absolutely no possibility that Flight 77 could have "descended 7,000 feet in two minutes, all the while performing a steep 280 degree banked turn before crashing into the Pentagon's first floor wall without touching the lawn."…
Captain Russ Wittenberg (ret)
30,000+ Total Flight Time
707, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, 777, DC-8, L-1049, Learjet 24/25, L-188
Ground Instructor, Advanced Ground Instructor, Instrument Instructor, Flight Engineer Turbojet
Aircraft Dispatcher
Pan Am, United
United States Air Force (ret)
Over 100 Combat Missions Flown
Command time in:
- N591UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 93)
- N612UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 175)
The twin-engine Canadair, Challenger 600 skidded off the runway, through the fence, across Route 46 striking several cars before crashing into Strawberry clothing warehouse.
January 14, 2008 – Twenty-five former U.S. military officers have severely criticized the official account of 9/11 and called for a new investigation.
They include former commander of U.S. Army Intelligence, Major General Albert Stubblebine, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense,
Col. Ronald D. Ray, two former staff members of the Director of the National Security Agency; Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD, and Major John M. Newman, PhD, and many others. They are among the rapidly growing number of military and intelligence service veterans, scientists, engineers, and architects challenging the government’s story. The officers’ statements appear below, listed alphabetically.
“A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible,” said Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret).1
With doctoral degrees in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Col.Bowman served as Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter.
“There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up,” continued Col. Bowman. “Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and who’s
responsible.
Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it’s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney.”
Regarding the failure of NORAD to intercept the four hijacked planes
Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by pianopraze
Source?:
The people who WROTE the 9/11 report even say it's BS...
What you are probably misunderstanding there (having been led astray by any number of incorrect claims online) is that the Commission were stymied in certain ways, in their fact gathering. Not about the details of the physical events, but the Government's sketchy information about just WHEN they knew, HOW soon and HOW much.
That is the crux of the "cover-up".....it is the Bush Administration's, and the Intelligence community's failures. That is the so-called "BS" that is referred to by the 9/11 Report authors....and, of course, taken completely out of context by the "conspiracy" websites.....
CLELAND: Let's talk about that here. This commission was formed about mid-December, the 9/11 Commission. We were supposed to use the joint inquiry report as a launching pad to get into this issue of not only fixing the intelligence community, but moving beyond, and getting into what is the al Qaeda all about? What is this terrorist global network that we're fighting? A new kind of war and all that.
Well, the independent, bi-partisan commission, hello, didn't even get the stuff 'til a few weeks ago.
I'm saying that's deliberate. I am saying that the delay in relating this information to the American public out of a hearing… series of hearings, that several members of Congress knew eight or ten months ago, including Bob Graham and others, that was deliberately slow walked… the 9/11 Commission was deliberately slow walked, because the Administration's policy was, and its priority was, we're gonna take Saddam Hussein out.
SESNO: Senator, do you have any documentation or any proof to back up this very serious charge of yours that this was deliberate besides your own…
CLELAND: Well, first of all…
SESNO: …hunch or gut?
CLELAND: …it's obvious.
SESNO: No, no, no, no…
CLELAND: But… but…
SESNO: …but beyond… but beyond being obvious, let me press…
CLELAND: First of all the war in Iraq…
SESNO: …you on this…
CLELAND: Yeah, okay.
Originally posted by pianopraze
reply to post by burntheships
Operation Northwoods told me everything I needed to know.
This was the beginning of their bid for all out control.
project for a new american century - neocon thinktank
Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by Danbones
Ah, old Stubblebine!!
Yeah....credibility factor = zero.
He knows nothing, has no "insider" knowledge! He is just like the rest out there who flap their lips based on armchair "sleuthing" of photos....and usually influenced (and thus biased) from the outset by the "conspiracy" sites. He is a classic "argument form authority" because he thinks his years of studying satellite photos somehow relates to studying photos from 9/11....but, the problem is he's not getting all of the evidence to view, and is making incorrect assumptions as a result.
In that impromptu interview he says (possibly, a "truth" to him) that there were no "wing marks" on the Pentagon facade wall.
This is incorrect...and if he did proper research, then he would realize his mistake. He is also misinformed when he thinks he was told that one wing "hit the ground" and "broke off".
His opinion is useless in light of all the real evidence. He is even one of the "NYC Towers were taken down by explosives" nutters. He is stuck on the "melting steel" nonsense meme.......Sorry, the guy is out of his league.
Guess what?
This photo is in the Best Thread On ATS:
(This Post)
That thread should be required reading for everyone.......