The Bible and the war against God's true and only work.

reply to post by autowrench

TextNope! Just one solid proof, that's all, perhaps some collaborating evidence to seal it. I have some friends who would be interested also, one is offering a reward for this proof. Just post it here, I will show him, and all is well. You all keep on talking about Jesus this and Jesus that, well, here is your chance. This is not to mean an insult, or a flame, just take it at face value. Say that an alien landed in your yard one night, and you wanted to tell him about Jesus. And he asked simply, "prove it to me." Be aware, I have asked this thousands of times, even to some pretty big preachers, and as of yet, have not seen a shred of proof. I have been looking for this proof for over 35 years, and have never found it. You would think with all this searching and researching I do, Jesus himself would have appeared to me, assuring me of his realness. I mean, people have said to me they "saw Jesus." So, I take it you do believe his appears to people? Why not me ever?


You don't want proof because in the time it took you to write your response you could have found page after page on google with reference to the life of Jesus by numerous sources with no ties to religion . You are just a nay sayer or maybe a Kenite to sow doubt and rob someone of the chance of a relationship with Christ . You probably consider yourself funny playing your little head games , I find it pathetic .

reply to post by Garfee

Garfee,

Yes, some others have suffered more. The thing about God suffering- is that He did it by His own choice. God did not have to do any of that. Jesus/God already showed up, as you put it, when He never had to even bother. But He did all that- to serve as a permanent sacrifice for our sins. Jesus already paid the price and went to hell and became the substitute sacrifice for our sins, so we don't have to. He did all that even before we asked Him to. This is why people serve Him so closely, and others die for Him on a regular basis.

reply to post by MarkJS


If a god wants us to believe in it, it ought to bother whether or not it makes an appearance. I refuse to rely on stories and no proof before I believe something.

reply to post by Garfee

Garfee,
God understands that you want proof. The proof is in history, all of it. Some people say that the word 'History', can be broken down to: His Story.

Also, for more proof- please refer to this post, submitted in this thread.

reply to post by MarkJS


Thanks, I appreciate your attention to my post. While there is certainly some evidence that a man name Jesus may have existed - may have - there is none to prove to me that he is god or that god exists. I would hope that if god does exist that he would not damn souls to hell simply for not being able to be sure.

Originally posted by Vsc1981
Anyone care to answer my questions? How hard is it to give Jesus Christ your heart and soul? I mean I'd rather give them to Jesus and then when i die go to heaven and not have any pain nor sorrow than to deny Jesus and be cast into hell with Satan and be in pain and be tortured forever and ever. I ask you really how much effort would you have to put into having faith and believing in Jesus? Its only feelings and thoughts. But those feelings have to be true and genuine. And i think its refreshing to read the bible. It gives me great piece of mind. I've opened my to other beliefs and religions but never took any of them in. They just don't feel right. Does that mean i condemn anyone who has a different religion or beliefs? Absolutely not! All I'm doing here is trying to open minds to my religion and beliefs. I respect others decisions regarding what they believe so i expect the same. I don't understand why because i believe in the God and the bible I'm scorned. That doesn't seem right.

You go ahead and give "Jesus" your heart and soul and you won't be in Heaven. I actually feel sorry for you for feeling this much passion about something and you don't even know the name of your messiah. As for Hell? No such place, do the research for yourself. You're trying to "open minds to min religion and beliefs" and YOU are exactly what is wrong with religion by spreading lies. You don't even know the name of your Messiah. Do you even know the name of your God (quick...look it up on wikipedia!!).

Why does it seem that everytime a "Christian" posts about their beliefs that it always ends up in a history lesson? I'm tired of saying the same things to people who believe Jesus is the Messiah, Moses parted the Red sea, and "Jesus" was a poor man. Ignorance, ignorance, ignorance. Open a book and read for yourselves people!!!! This is "fact" just because some minister told you so? Even the Catholic church says they don't believe in Hell anymore. But whatever...do the research for yourself and disrespect my savior in the meantime.

Oh, and do your "communion" which was a "Pagan" tradition (Egyptian actually) long before it put in your bible.

reply to post by PurpleSun

*Star for you! Very well said. You are right too about the history lesson, and this makes me wonder, why do people run away from it so?
I have a step son that is 13. If I turn on the History Channel, or H2, he leaves the room, not interested. I dare say we should put all of this history on one page, but then, it is a sordid tale. One day they will all wake up, no doubt of that, but this preparation thing gets me down sometimes. How do you tell them anything, and get them to listen?
As far as researching, I think that is a sin or something. Most Christians refuse to research their religion, the history thereof, of the history of and true authorship of their holy books, or even the existence of their main deity. Well, I have said enough.
Love and Light to All.

reply to post by autowrench


Ya know, if the people posting these topics would watch the shows on History, H2, NatGeo etc they might actually see how Science PROVES a lot of what they believe, but instead they cloud it down and spew ignorance because preachers and their parents told them so and they've read a book that has been mistraslated to the point where it's a whole other story compared to the original text. If they truly have this much passion about their beliefs, why aren't they out there learning greek and Hebrew to read the books for themselves? Oh. That would be too much effort and might require a paradigm shift....

nevermind.

Originally posted by PurpleSun
This is "fact" just because some minister told you so?

If you believe that Pythagorean Illumination is going to fill the emptiness in your life you are very VERY deceived. After doing some research, the true FACTS about this secret "religion" are easily found:

"Much like L. Ron Hubbard and David Koresh, Pythagoras founded his own religion and was totally insane"

"The Pythagorean Illuminati are the sworn enemies of Abrahamism"

"Illumination formally began with the ancient Greek mystic Pythagoras"

"In reality, the only real accomplishment of Pythagoras was to recruit and train beautiful, young witches in total secrecy using ritual sexuality in order to keep them under his personal control."

"In truth, and because of Pythagoras’s brutal, misogynous oppression and sexual enslavement of innocent, beautiful young females, the God of nature rose up against him and his followers and, with justice and righteousness, tore them a new @&&#o73. Indeed, the only lesson to be learned from Pythagoras is that Satanic ritual sexuality never pays off and, in the end..." Source

Originally posted by Garfee

Originally posted by Razimus
Way to go, you copied and pasted the thoughts of your parents.

...God lives and continues to work every day...

What? If that's the case then god isn't trying very hard.

It's too bad you and many mortal minds cannot comprehend a Supreme Being working every day,
in a way that you are unable to recognize. Let me share with you a little thing called possibility...

The Supreme Being of the universe created all things, all stars, all trillions and trillions and trillions
of stars, trillions and trillions and trillions of galaxies, trillion and trillions and trillions of planets,
do you actually think, a being who is responsible for creating such is not always busy? I assure
you such a being is, is such a being going to use his infinite wisdom, infinite power, infinite resources
to do a magic show for someone who doesn't believe?

This Supreme Being, who continues to create stars, solar systems, planets, galaxies, does continue
to show love to it's creations, if you aren't looking for it you won't see it, if you aren't listening for it
you will not hear it, if your eyes are closed, heart is closed, you will be on a different frequency of it,
tune yourself into the right frequency and you will be able to see a tiny example of it's existence,
some see more some see less, some see nothing.

For atheists, can you prove God doesn't exist? Nope.
Can we, to you, prove God does exist? Nope.

Both are a belief in a DEFINITE, both require BELIEF in something without all of the answers.
Both can be defined as RELIGION.

Originally posted by Murgatroid

Originally posted by PurpleSun
This is "fact" just because some minister told you so?

If you believe that Pythagorean Illumination is going to fill the emptiness in your life you are VERY deceived. After doing some research, I learned the true FACTS about this secret "religion":

"Much like L. Ron Hubbard and David Koresh, Pythagoras founded his own religion and was totally insane"

"The Pythagorean Illuminati are the sworn enemies of Abrahamism"

"Illumination formally began with the ancient Greek mystic Pythagoras"

"In reality, the only real accomplishment of Pythagoras was to recruit and train beautiful, young witches in total secrecy using ritual sexuality in order to keep them under his personal control."

ummmm....you're replying to me? i wasn't talking about any of what yo mentioned and i don't believe in anything that you talked about. If Pythagoras was insane, that's great - many of the smartest people in the world are. I still think he was a brilliant mind even though it's waaaaaay off topic and nothing that i was talking about. i was talking about strawberries and you are talking about sushi unless you can show me how the two fit together.

reply to post by PurpleSun


I brought up Pythagoras mainly because he is the founder of the "math as a religion" in your sig. It wasn't intended as an insult or an attack on you or anyone else. The intent was as a WARNING to anyone seeking the TRUTH. Pythagorean teaching and ALL other false religion is intended to separate YOU from God FOREVER, which is what matters in life more than ANY other thing.

Originally posted by Murgatroid
reply to post by PurpleSun

 

I brought up Pythagoras mainly because he is the founder of the "math as a religion" in your sig. It wasn't intended as an insult or an attack on you or anyone else. The intent was as a WARNING to anyone seeking the TRUTH. Pythagorean teaching and ALL other false religion is intended to separate YOU from God FOREVER, which is what matters in life more than ANY other thing.

edit on 15-3-2012 by Murgatroid because: Corrections

ah! = ) i gotcha. I don't believe that math is a religion at all. I think that Math is the language of God and proves God's existence far more than fables handed down from era to era and finally compiled in a book to which not one person was a witness. God is light. Light is physics. Physics is math. A = C...just a simple layman's way to put it. = )

reply to post by autowrench

What do you mean by the comment about me talking to ET Beings? Bother you, does it. Because I am not the only one, hell, I am not the only one in here. Do you talk to Jesus? Do you see him? Why is it when a Christian talks to Jesus everything is hunky dory and accepted, but when someone talks to a ET, they are crazy, or conversing with Demons? Why is that? Yes, I have spoken to them. Ever since I was a small child. My Mother thought me possessed, and called me the anti-Christ over some of the things that happened around our house. Still today things happen. To you, this is crazy. To us, it is just another day.

It doesn't bother me, I'm curious and honestly I think you're in danger. I talk/pray to Yeshua everyday, he's never talked talked to me, but he shows me he heard me. I've never seen him.

I think people who say they talk to Yeshua are more accepted because, he lived and died. He exists. Comparatively, I think people who say they talk to ETs are called crazy, because there's no evidence that ETs exist. Do you think I'm wrong in making that assumption? Be fair...

I believe you when you say something is talking to you. Why do you think your'e talking to an ET?

Originally posted by randyvs

Originally posted by Noncompatible
The Bible is a book that has been read more, and examined less, than any book that ever existed. - Thomas Paine

Properly read, the bible is the most potent force for Atheism ever conceived. - Isaac Asimov

These two simple quotes, my personal favorites, say all that needs to be said regarding the bible.

Only if one is lacking in the powers of observation.and is completely biased on the subject for fear of the authority a Creator would be entitle to over his creation. Or if you choose to regurgitate someone else's thought's.
Only out of convenience so you can right the matter off and be done with it. In which case wrong or correct really don't even matter to you. So you get what you pay for in the end.

Actually, the regurgitation as you refer to it is simply used because the quoted statements are clear and concise and coincide with my own thinking.
With regards to bias I have none. I read the book free of preconceived notions and ended where I am.
I have known real fear for my own life and others and find little to fear in this or any other book of myths.

Frankly if it is supposed to be the (literal) word of a ("the" in some eyes) god then why do so many remain unconvinced ?

Originally posted by CaptainNemo
reply to post by autowrench

 

What do you mean by the comment about me talking to ET Beings? Bother you, does it. Because I am not the only one, hell, I am not the only one in here. Do you talk to Jesus? Do you see him? Why is it when a Christian talks to Jesus everything is hunky dory and accepted, but when someone talks to a ET, they are crazy, or conversing with Demons? Why is that? Yes, I have spoken to them. Ever since I was a small child. My Mother thought me possessed, and called me the anti-Christ over some of the things that happened around our house. Still today things happen. To you, this is crazy. To us, it is just another day.

It doesn't bother me, I'm curious and honestly I think you're in danger. I talk/pray to Yeshua everyday, he's never talked talked to me, but he shows me he heard me. I've never seen him.

I think people who say they talk to Yeshua are more accepted because, he lived and died. He exists. Comparatively, I think people who say they talk to ETs are called crazy, because there's no evidence that ETs exist. Do you think I'm wrong in making that assumption? Be fair...

I believe you when you say something is talking to you. Why do you think your'e talking to an ET?

i love u capt nemo! = )
i know that YOU know this, for those that don't let me shatter their paradigm...

by definition, if anyone believes in God and Angels, you believe in et's. GOD AND ANGELS ARE ET's!!!! extra-terrestrial means not from this earth. By definition, if you pray to God, you are praying to an alien. Angels are not of this earth and are aliens as well. Therefore, if you are a true Christian, one, by definition, must believe in the existence of ET's.

Originally posted by MarkJS
reply to post by autowrench

 

I have been looking for this proof for over 35 years, and have never found it.

I'm not sure if you read my post. It looks like you haven't. If you read it, you will not find stronger historical proof than this..... It should satisfy your 'need of proof' vacuum.

If you want Jesus to 'appear to you' and essentially 'perform tricks' for you... then sorry, He won't be doing that. If you revere Him for who He Is, then you will get a response- if you ask sincerely for Him to show Himself to you. Although it might not be physical manifestation right there. You have to remember that He will do it, but He is God, not you, or me.

edit on 15/3/2012 by MarkJS because: added last para

edit on 15/3/2012 by MarkJS because: clarification

Are you sure? If you were 'anointed', would you be god then? Remember, Jesus said "The father and I are one."

This is why I believe the true message was lost.

As a collective, it will be mankind that determines our fate and not some 'unseen' god. This is a time of great division and strife. It will our choice.

reply to post by Razimus


And you can comprehend how this creator works?

Whatever it is, if it is, it likes seeing things get hurt.

reply to post by CaptainNemo

there's no evidence that ETs exist.

I did a bunch of reading on this recently, here is some of what I found:

...Interesting, UFO’s can fly from distant planets but are stupid enough to crash – always in the USA. They love to show their presence especially to people living in trailer parks, and abduct mostly fat divorced women on welfare with lots of pets. They are trying to hide their presence but use powerful lights excessively. Nobody knows what are they for. Source

"Flying saucers are real. Too
many good men have seen them,
that don't have hallucinations."
- Captain Eddie Rickenbacker

Quote from Victoria Ecouter:
"I had contact for years with what I thought were alien beings. The more I "believed" the more they disrupted my life. I went for months getting only a few hours of sleep a night. It got so bad that I was waking up with night terrors and things probing me for almost a month straight.

A turning point for me occurred when I had a conversation with one of these beings. I said that it didn't have the right to do this and it replied that it did. I knew then that this was not a benign creature in any sense of the word. I was agnostic at the time. So I decided to pray to God to help me. The "abductions" and "visitations" stopped immediately. They've tried since then but with no success. I'm a much more content person now."

Well-known UFO researcher John Weldon said, “How creditable is it to think that literally thousands of genuine extraterrestrials would fly millions of light years simply to teach new age philosophy, deny Christianity, and support the occult? And why would the entities actually possess and inhabit people just like demons do if they were really advanced extraterrestrials?”Source

UFO's THE HIDDEN TRUTH VIDEO

Boring YouTube Video with some very revealing quotes (UFO goals mirror the NWO's goals etc) (strange music though): Messengers of Deception

Ben Rich Lockheed Skunk Works CEO had admitted in his Deathbed Confession that "Extraterrestrial UFO visitors are real and the U.S. Military travel among stars". Tom Keller

The Initiative 300 paper has several very interesting quotes:
Initiative 300 paper - Google search

Read Mike Heiser's "The FACADE" , I highly recommend The Facade to anyone interested in learning the truth about UFOs, alien abductions, and the like. Through fiction, Mike Heiser shows that it's not only possible, but essential, for Christians to understand the end times UFO deception. There is a copy on Scribd.

A few quotes from Amazon reviews of "The Facade":

"The 'ostrich' position can only be maintained by stupidity for just so long. My friend said, 'It's not fiction, he just had to write it that way."

"If you are even remotely religious and are curious how UFO's can be explained in harmony with the Scriptures, than this novel is for you. …this novel is a must."

"Fast paced. But most important: based on real and academic exegesis of OT and Dead Sea Scrolls."

"The "Watchers" are in charge of executing and overseeing the plans and judgments of God over each nation" ~ Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj