The Bible and the war against God's true and only work.

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Originally posted by Garfee
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Let's say that all of this is not rubbish and actually completely true - though misinterpreted I believe - I don't think most christians follow the teachings of christ.

Those are not Christians. Those are the wolves in sheep's clothing Christ mentioned, or the tares scattered amongst the wheat if you will. He never warned us to beware of wolves in wolves clothing. Jesus likewise said if we love Him we will obey Him. People not obeying Jesus should make it manifest to everyone they don't love Him or worship Him.

Instead of translating the bible and related books, maybe we all ought to have learned the ancient laguages they were written in...

That would be the ideal situation, Greek and Hebrew are probably the most descriptive and rigid languages the Bible could have possibly been written in. But I think salvation should be available to the common man who is too poor for a solid education. The Bible is shallow enough that a simple man can understand it, it's also so complex that a lifetime isn't enough time to decipher all the hidden gems it contains for the diligent student.

But the essential truths of the gospel are not that hard to understand, in English, in Greek, or in Chinese...

"Trust Jesus, it's finished."

reply to post by autowrench

There are a lot more contemporary writers of the time who wrote Jewish histories and never mentioned Jesus. Why is this? If his life and legacy a secret? Or is the truth of the matter even more shocking, that he never existed in the first place?

Hardly a secret. The Julian calendar, named after Julius Ceaser was made to commemorate the Birth of Jesus. It was the most powerful empire that the world has ever had up to that point- who changed their calendar, and subsequently the world's calendar system- to revolve around the birth of One Man. Pope Gregory in the 1500s adjusted it a little and added the famous motto "Anno Domini" to refer to the year 0. "In the year of our Lord". Therefore every year is in reference to the year 0. Every year revolves around it, just like the BC years go the other way.

Because of this, there is no way that Jesus' life is a secret. Every email you do, every ATS post you submit, every paycheck, tax notice, legal document, etc... all use this system. And every time a date is used from this calendar system, it references, testifies, affirms and attests to the birth of the Most Important Person that was ever born- Jesus Christ.

His life is a secret? don't think so.

reply to post by Onboard2

The only thing I hold against Christians is looking outside themselves for their savior.

Maybe we realize that if we're the problem we cannot likewise be the solution?

An interesting analogy,

Some liken religions slow shift from the truth like that a a fog in a pot that is slow to boil. The slow motion changes in the water's temperature isn't detected by the frog and he dies in the pot, and pretty much the same slow motion of religion's fabrications and movement from the truth of the Essene and Jesus has not been noticed by those wanting of the truth.

Thus, the masses find themselves cooking in Hell very much liked the cooked Frog.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


That's where I believe you are mistaken. We are not the problem. The problem, as you should know, is "sin", or as atheists would call it, "human nature".

The question then is whether Jesus is the only man who can save us from sin.

Way to go, you copied and pasted the thoughts of your parents.

#1. No we don't all know that, assuming we did is arrogance.

#2. I disagree it is his only work, God lives and continues to work every day, if it were his only work, he would be dead in my opinion.

reply to post by CaptainNemo

There's sufficient amount of evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ

Oh my, Proof? Care to post this "sufficient amount of evidence" that you speak of. I only posted less that half of the Ancient Jewish Historians who had ample opportunity to write of Jesus, I didn't even include the writes who should have written about him and didn't.
So, please, without further delay, post all of your evidence. I for one will be in awe if you can in fact prove Jesus existence, and perhaps a reward is in order for you. People have been trying to do this for about 2000 years, since the story began.

You seem so intent on denying the existence of someone based on evidence, right here on Earth, but you're claiming to talk to aliens?

Actually, I have been looking for proof myself, one way or other. To ease my own mind, shall we say. Now you have promised this proof, and I am looking forward to it. But I think you are fooling yourself.
What do you mean by the comment about me talking to ET Beings?
Bother you, does it. Because I am not the only one, hell, I am not the only one in here. Do you talk to Jesus? Do you see him? Why is it when a Christian talks to Jesus everything is hunky dory and accepted, but when someone talks to a ET, they are crazy, or conversing with Demons? Why is that? Yes, I have spoken to them. Ever since I was a small child. My Mother thought me possessed, and called me the anti-Christ over some of the things that happened around our house. Still today things happen. To you, this is crazy. To us, it is just another day.

Originally posted by Razimus
Way to go, you copied and pasted the thoughts of your parents.

...God lives and continues to work every day...

What? If that's the case then god isn't trying very hard.

reply to post by autowrench

Originally posted by autowrench
There are a lot more contemporary writers of the time who wrote Jewish histories and never mentioned Jesus. Why is this? If his life and legacy a secret? Or is the truth of the matter even more shocking, that he never existed in the first place?

Think about it: We've been lied to since the beginning of TIME about EVERYTHING that matters! WHY should THIS subject be any different. In fact if we are lied to about ANYTHING, this would be their main priority. Look at things like the "Protocols of Zion" etc and it's plain as vanilla.

"It was also illegal to record any history in Egypt that made the Pharaoh look bad. That is why they did not record the God of the slaves whooping their butts. If any scribe did that, he probably would have been killed. As an Atheist friend of mine who loved Egypt told me, Egyptian history was basically propaganda."

Quest for Death Valley Giants and the Cover Up
I asked about what happened to the full bodies and the older curator said University of Berkeley had came and taken all the giant skeletons away for study decades ago and this was all that had survived that grab. ...if you research into giants or other races they will end your career immediately, we are told to say it’s all 1800’s media fraud regardless of the evidence, in fact they think they have found a living tribe of Neanderthals in northernmost Canada, but I don’t know anymore about it, it’s pretty controversial, again if you ask questions you’ll be working at McDonalds tomorrow”. Source

zilch wrote: "It is true there were giants that roamed the earth. The reason we see no archeological evidence is because the government has the Smithsonian Institute come and take away the findings to their warehouse. Why do they intentionally do this you may ask? Because the archeological findings would prove the Biblical account of creation, and they can't as easily deceive the world into believing the lies we have all been taught. So that's it- I always wondered why we don't have any evidence for the truth of the Bible. I bet they have the Ark hidden in the Smithsonian too."

Well, evidences abound, and this is one. I should say that there could be many more at hand, but when they have been found by Darwinians, they have been ignored, hidden or simply destroyed. Destroyed by those who later on demand such evidence. An example of this is the "mysterious" disappearance of more than 50 perfectly kept gigantic antediluvian skeletons (between 10-14 feet tall) found in a cave in Arizona. You may, or not, have heard that Mr. Samuel Hubbard, discovered remains of giants in a cave in the magnificent Grand Canyon of Arizona."Source

"...authorities ordered the skeleton and all the artifacts secretly reburied- and, of course, lost to the scientific study they deserved.” Source

"A cave full of giant skeletons was found by telephone employees near Santa Barbara, California. Unfortunately, the cave entrance was sealed shut before proper excavation could be conducted."

"A giant skeleton on Santa Cruz Island, California, was sent to the National Science Foundation in Washington, D.C., where it was promptly "misplaced". Source

reply to post by autowrench

Oh my, Proof? Care to post this "sufficient amount of evidence" that you speak of.

Why bother? If he posts 5 secular references to Christ you'll ask for 10, if he provides 10 you'll demand 15. And then when 15 are provided you'll ignore all 15. So lets tackle this another way. Let me ask you a simple question..

Do you likewise doubt there was a historical figure named Alexander the Great? The earliest surviving account of him was penned 400 years after he died. No one challenges the historicity of Alexander, yet our system of dating doesn't revolve around his birth.

Oh, I think I understand now, we don't doubt Alexander because he never told us where we can and cannot insert our penises.

reply to post by Murgatroid

Look at things like the "Protocols of Zion" etc and it's plain as vanilla.

Dead God, you realize that's a hoax correct?? And yes, the entire world will immediately scurry away any evidence of the Nephillim. Can't have people believing that now can we??

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Yes, I did read that about the protocols, thanks for pointing that out, simply because I am undecided on whether or not it is authentic so your point is very much a valid one.

Originally posted by Glass
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

That's where I believe you are mistaken. We are not the problem. The problem, as you should know, is "sin", or as atheists would call it, "human nature".

That's exactly the "problem' I'm referring to. We're all S.I.N. positive. So, us being the problem (sinners), how can we simultaneously be the solution?

The question then is whether Jesus is the only man who can save us from sin.

Yeah, He is the only person God placed all the sins of mankind upon and crushed Him for it. That's why He said:

"It is finished!"

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by autowrench

 

Oh my, Proof? Care to post this "sufficient amount of evidence" that you speak of.

Why bother? If he posts 5 secular references to Christ you'll ask for 10, if he provides 10 you'll demand 15. And then when 15 are provided you'll ignore all 15. So lets tackle this another way. Let me ask you a simple question..

Do you likewise doubt there was a historical figure named Alexander the Great? The earliest surviving account of him was penned 400 years after he died. No one challenges the historicity of Alexander, yet our system of dating doesn't revolve around his birth.

Oh, I think I understand now, we don't doubt Alexander because he never told us where we can and cannot insert our penises.

Nope! Just one solid proof, that's all, perhaps some collaborating evidence to seal it. I have some friends who would be interested also, one is offering a reward for this proof. Just post it here, I will show him, and all is well. You all keep on talking about Jesus this and Jesus that, well, here is your chance. This is not to mean an insult, or a flame, just take it at face value. Say that an alien landed in your yard one night, and you wanted to tell him about Jesus. And he asked simply, "prove it to me." Be aware, I have asked this thousands of times, even to some pretty big preachers, and as of yet, have not seen a shred of proof. I have been looking for this proof for over 35 years, and have never found it. You would think with all this searching and researching I do, Jesus himself would have appeared to me, assuring me of his realness. I mean, people have said to me they "saw Jesus." So, I take it you do believe his appears to people? Why not me ever?

Originally posted by Garfee
reply to post by CaptainNemo

 

I'm no bible scholar and I'm sure a quick search would help me on this, but if you can help I would be grateful. Were there original greek scrolls or was greek also only a translation?

edit on 15-3-2012 by Garfee because: I missed like, 3 whole words

Np brother, glad to help.

Ok, so let's start from the top.

The first collection of the five books of the old testament was called the pentatauch, and was written around the 7th century B.C. ( Somebody hop in and correct me if i'm off). It was written during the Babylonian exile, when the Jews were taken from their homeland, so they were in a hurry to preserve their traditions.

Before that the Jews didn't have what you called a religion. Things were passed down orally and less written. The people had a pretty structured daily life, they gave sacrifices, observed the holidays and sabbath, and the priests did most of the daily services at the temple.

The Greek translation the Septaguint was a product of the Hellenistic Jewish period. Originally, it translated the old testament around 5th century B.C. The scribes made all types of drastic mistranslations and alterings.

For instance, they translated alot of the instances of "gods" to "angels.

They translated the Hebrew word sheol to the eternal fiery pit people call hell today.
(The Jewish idea of afterlife was a almost nothing like hell)

I don't know why they did that. Maybe because they didn't really understand. There's no real complete answer.

Now, around the time of Christ, Greek was the predominant language spoken. Many of the apostles wrote in spoke Greek, if not all of them. Jesus did not speak Greek, he spoke a version of Aramaic. So, almost all of the New Testament was written in Greek.

The Old Testament and the New Testament are incompatible in ALOT of ways, as you can see. That's how alot of people can point out contradictions.

reply to post by autowrench

I have been looking for this proof for over 35 years, and have never found it.

I'm not sure if you read my post. It looks like you haven't. If you read it, you will not find stronger historical proof than this..... It should satisfy your 'need of proof' vacuum.

If you want Jesus to 'appear to you' and essentially 'perform tricks' for you... then sorry, He won't be doing that. If you revere Him for who He Is, then you will get a response- if you ask sincerely for Him to show Himself to you. Although it might not be physical manifestation right there. You have to remember that He will do it, but He is God, not you, or me.

Originally posted by Garfee

Originally posted by Razimus
Way to go, you copied and pasted the thoughts of your parents.

...God lives and continues to work every day...

What? If that's the case then god isn't trying very hard.

Thank you for your post. But I would have to disagree. God leaving His Glorious position in heaven to be born as a human, be accused of being a bastard and illegitimate, having been whipped, a crown of thorns thrust upon His head, insulted while He was dying on the cross- For Us.... then resurrecting and still loving mankind, including you and me, after all that. I think he tried pretty hard, in my estimation.

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Um, I know people who have suffered worse than that so god can either show up or take a back seat.

Originally posted by Vsc1981
Anyone care to answer my questions? How hard is it to give Jesus Christ your heart and soul? I mean I'd rather give them to Jesus and then when i die go to heaven and not have any pain nor sorrow than to deny Jesus and be cast into hell with Satan and be in pain and be tortured forever and ever. I ask you really how much effort would you have to put into having faith and believing in Jesus? Its only feelings and thoughts. But those feelings have to be true and genuine. And i think its refreshing to read the bible. It gives me great piece of mind. I've opened my to other beliefs and religions but never took any of them in. They just don't feel right. Does that mean i condemn anyone who has a different religion or beliefs? Absolutely not! All I'm doing here is trying to open minds to my religion and beliefs. I respect others decisions regarding what they believe so i expect the same. I don't understand why because i believe in the God and the bible I'm scorned. That doesn't seem right.

It's posts like these that get to me. It appears as though you are threatening people with "hell with Satan and be in pain and be tortured forever and ever." Your post here, all your saying is, "Belief what I say, or else you go to hell."

NOBODY is scorning you or your belief. Here is what the problem is in society today; You EXPECT people, ALL PEOPLE, to factor in your Bible and God in all aspects of life.

For example, when CERN is doing experiments and such, it's people like you that think CERN is "scorning" the God or Bible because their experiments have nothing to do with God.

Ok, let me rephrase and be more specific. People like you seem to literally EXPECT all people to focus on God no matter what they are doing.

If a scientist makes a new discovery, you EXPECT that scientist to have addressed God in his experiment.

Let's say scientists find new dinosaur fossils; Their goal would than be to figure if these new fossils are part of a known species, or if these new fossils represent a whole new type of dinosaur all together. So that is what science does. The problem w/ people like you, is that you LITERALLY EXPECT these dinosaur hunter's to account for God in relation to these fossils.

Still confused?

Let's take evolution, a subject that DOES NOT DEAL WITH GOD AT ALL. Yet, you Bible thumper's insist that studying Earth's history MUST involve a God EVEN WHEN THE SCIENENCE DOESN"T DEAL WITH GOD ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

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I have no problem with your beliefs or religion and I respect your beliefs and religion.

However, the second you start telling me that I will go to hell for not beliefing what you belief, than I get pissed off.

And you know what? (If He Exists) Your God would also be pissed off at you for verbally forcing people to be brainwashed. God would want us to use the tools he gave us to find out the truth.

And, about God... what makes your God "Correct"?

Are you telling me I will go to hell because I belief that a higher entity does exist but because my higher entity is not yours I will go to hell?


From the Bible thumper's wordview, all those child molesting preacher's will go to heaven while beliefer's of say Zeus who are NOT molestor's go to hell.