Priest Warns Obama: Better Knock the Catholic Church Out NOW

reply to post by Annee

Someone really needs to take them (the Catholics) down a notch or 2 or 50. They recently stopped funding a homeless center just because the director supported gay rights

SO WHAT?? Is there something wrong with sticking to your values? Just because you disagree with those values doesn't mean they can be cast aside!

As far as I'm concerned all and any birth prevention should be totally free from the government - - including abortion.

Abortion isn’t healthcare, its murder. Should the government (TAXPAYERS…we the people) provide you with food and accommodations too, because you do need that to live?

The money part. It is far less of a financial burden on tax payers to prevent unwanted children - - then it is to care for them after they are born.

You’re predictably missing the entire point!

The government should provide NEITHER!!! They shouldn't provide a means to kill babies nor should they provide a means to sustain your existence after birth.

You liberals never cease to amaze me with this entitlement mentality. Answer this…What is wrong with providing for yourself? Really?

Apparently it is hard for some to understand that the government is forcing the Catholic Church to do something contrary to their core beliefs. Let's change the word "contraception" to "crack-coc aine", and that all Catholic ministries now have to provide crack-coc aine coverage in their health insurance coverage. That would make them government sponsored drug pushers. It's the same thing to the Catholic Church. They teach abstinence and that would be like making them enablers.

Originally posted by Fromabove
Apparently it is hard for some to understand that the government is forcing the Catholic Church to do something contrary to their core beliefs. Let's change the word "contraception" to "crack-coc aine", and that all Catholic ministries now have to provide crack-coc aine coverage in their health insurance coverage. That would make them government sponsored drug pushers. It's the same thing to the Catholic Church. They teach abstinence and that would be like making them enablers.

Now personally i think that is going a little far with the analogies... even despite the colorful ones I might have used here and there.

however, doesn't that equate to a policy issue? I mean if the CC must remain as a business which it shouldn't be doing anyway, it could always circumvent the issue of *exposing it's employees to terrible things* some other way.

No, no... that's not how it's done. it must therefore make it's goal to run the government itself.

Wait a second, it's been doing that well before Obama and even planned parenthood came into the picture.

Oh, yeeeeeah.

Originally posted by Fromabove
Apparently it is hard for some to understand that the government is forcing the Catholic Church to do something contrary to their core beliefs. Let's change the word "contraception" to "crack-coc aine", and that all Catholic ministries now have to provide crack-coc aine coverage in their health insurance coverage. That would make them government sponsored drug pushers. It's the same thing to the Catholic Church. They teach abstinence and that would be like making them enablers.

Easily solved - the catholic church should stay where it belongs and not operate as a business. Business is regulated by government. Shut up, catholics.

reply to post by NotAnAspie


Well, the problem is, is that community service is the business of every church, Catholic or not. The Catholic Church is long known for it's massive effort in community, but always holding to the teachings of the Church. They are so interconnected that a affront on the outreach is also an affront to the Church itself. It used to be that the government left Churches alone as laws cannot be made against them, but then they regulated almost everything they can do as an outreach. Until now. Now it has passed over the line in saying that they can no longer hold to values in their outreach ministries that are taught by the Church. This is why it has now turned into a struggle as it has.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by SunnyDee

 

Just like not all Muslims are terrorists, right?

Oh poor Seabag, what must it be like to live in your world of constant contradictions. Praise Jesus. Kill people. Unless they are babies. In America. Then let them grow up and dont help them at all.

Spot on! I am surprised no one took you up on a little debate over this paragraph, probably because there's nothing to debate.

I did respond to him, but I will reiterate for your benefit!

Man, you guys really caught me in a contradiction, huh??

How many priests have been busted for this behavior? 1%??

And how many 10’s of millions have been killed by Muslims throughout history (and recent history).That position is misguided and the comparison intentionally misleading.

By the way, the wars the US has engaged in are not in the name of Religion. US has people of all religions, so to say these are ‘Christians’ wars is ridiculous and you know it.

Sorry, but it's pretty clear where christians stand, or better yet, it's clear where the U.S.'s religious right stands. They don't mince words. We know the fundamentals they tend to believe, whether you want to play this game of semantics is up to you.

I look at Santorum, and he really stands for the type I'm talking about. His stance: God should help rule our country, We must kill those muslims before they get us, no abortions, and no state welfare or free healthcare. Contradictions galore with this type, and this is the exact people that backed these wars in the first place. I sure as heck didn't! So yes, in name, these were not religious wars, but the religeous were certainly backers!

Originally posted by seabag
SO WHAT?? Is there something wrong with sticking to your values? Just because you disagree with those values doesn't mean they can be cast aside!

I'd call it Trespassing.

Abortion isn’t healthcare, its murder. Should the government (TAXPAYERS…we the people) provide you with food and accommodations too, because you do need that to live?

Oh - you are one of those. So much for logical intelligent debate.

You’re predictably missing the entire point!

No I'm not.

The government should provide NEITHER!!! They shouldn't provide a means to kill babies nor should they provide a means to sustain your existence after birth.

Priceless. What innocent child asked to be born?

Originally posted by Fromabove
reply to post by NotAnAspie

 

Well, the problem is, is that community service is the business of every church, Catholic or not. The Catholic Church is long known for it's massive effort in community, but always holding to the teachings of the Church. They are so interconnected that a affront on the outreach is also an affront to the Church itself. It used to be that the government left Churches alone as laws cannot be made against them, but then they regulated almost everything they can do as an outreach. Until now. Now it has passed over the line in saying that they can no longer hold to values in their outreach ministries that are taught by the Church. This is why it has now turned into a struggle as it has.

charity is not a business. If a church is exempt of taxes it should be seen as charity work across the board... and we all know that the CC has been tied up in politics for a long long time and this goes against many things in our laws and the bible itself. A church should not be run as a business. This says nothing about charity but charity is just that... charity.

In this day and age though, it is not uncommon for business to market with charity and even profit from it.

Originally posted by Annee

Priceless. What innocent child asked to be born?

Listen here now, it is like this.
The catholic church does not
want to do this. They should
not be forced by the government
into having too. SIMPLE AS THAT
If you can not afford 50 cents for a condom
or if the girl and her guy can't put together 30 bux
a month to hump like rabits. AGAIN
YOU SHOULD NOT BE HAVING SEX..
SIMPLE AS THAT..
UNDERSTAND NOW??

Originally posted by popsmayhem

If you can not afford 50 cents for a condom or if the girl and her guy can't put together 30 bux a month to hump like rabits. AGAIN YOU SHOULD NOT BE HAVING SEX.. SIMPLE AS THAT.. UNDERSTAND NOW??

Absolutely!

Abstinence-Only-Until-Marriage Programs: Ineffective, Unethical, and Poor Public Health

Despite these strong public preferences, the federal government has invested more than $1.5 billion in state and federal dollars since 1997 into prescriptive abstinence-only and abstinence-only-until-marriage programs[2] that are, at best, ineffective and wasteful and, at worst, misleading and dangerous to America’s youth. www.advocatesforyouth.org... h

reply to post by SunnyDee

Sorry, but it's pretty clear where christians stand, or better yet, it's clear where the U.S.'s religious right stands. They don't mince words. We know the fundamentals they tend to believe, whether you want to play this game of semantics is up to you.

Uhm…so how do you explain Obama’s 2 wars? He is obviously not a devote Christian. Last I checked, black liberation theology isn’t a Christian offshoot.

I look at Santorum, and he really stands for the type I'm talking about. His stance: God should help rule our country, We must kill those Muslims before they get us, no abortions, and no state welfare or free healthcare. Contradictions galore with this type, and this is the exact people that backed these wars in the first place. I sure as heck didn't! So yes, in name, these were not religious wars, but the religious were certainly backers!

There were backers from all walks of life and many religious ideologies, including American Muslims so give me a break.

There are contradictions galore from the left too…

The left - Everyone should have a voice, except unborn children of course because that would cost too much…oh, and old people. We shouldn’t give them treatment because they won’t be paying taxes and their days are numbered.

reply to post by Annee

Oh - you are one of those. So much for logical intelligent debate.

You’re one of those! You just deflect and avoid answering my question because it will show your true colors and prove my point.

Priceless. What innocent child asked to be born?

What innocent child asked to be murdered?

Oh no, the Catholic kiddy-diddlers are pissed off!

The Catholic Church is THE plague.

That's rich coming from an organization that was responsible for the culture of death that permeated Europe for 1500 years and is riddled with pedophiles.

reply to post by AnIntellectualRedneck

That's rich coming from an organization that was responsible for the culture of death that permeated Europe for 1500 years and is riddled with pedophiles.

Your response is rich coming from someone who can’t distinguish between justified death and murder.

Maybe if you backed up your response with examples I could refute them but this is all I had to work with!

Originally posted by Annee
Priceless. What innocent child asked to be born?

Originally posted by seabag
What innocent child asked to be murdered?

That's sick.

Self righteous: "Child are you hungry?" "Oh - that sucks for you - - I'm right - - you're parents were wrong for having sex" - - "Run along now - - you're blocking my path to church".

Is the Catholic Church a church or is it a foreign state?

It has it's own country Vatican City, and the US has an ambassador to the Holy See.

So why do we tolerate a foreign based theocracy meddling in our domestic political issues?

Is it OK with conservatives because they're in agreement with the Catholic Church? What would happen if the Catholic Church were to say "In light of the US's continued wars of aggression we're going to make military service for all Catholics in the US a mortal sin." Would American conservatives still be good with that? Don't worry that'll never happen, the new Roman Empire and the old Roman Empire both seem to have the same pro-life stance when it comes to the industrial scale slaughter of modern warfare.

As far as this whole religious contraceptive/abortion issue getting thrown into the healthcare debate could it be any more blatantly obvious as to what's going on with that?

We wouldn't even be having this problem if we had a single payer system like every other civilized country on Earth. Instead we end up with this bastardized compromise with insurance mandates. More socialism for the rich. I guess nanny states are cool for corporations.

Why is healthcare such an issue to begin with, I would say it has to do with the working and middle classes losing whatever leverage they had due to the rise of globalization and multi-national corporations.

Numbers don't lie and numbers don't spew out loaded political rhetoric. The reason we have these problems can be found in the numbers, and the solution to these problems can be found in those numbers and in real world examples.

Maybe someday America will have the political courage and honesty to look at these numbers and see what needs to be done to address these issues responsibly. The folks who drag out all these politically charged Orwellian nonsense memes and false choices are doing their best to make sure that never happens, and I can guarantee they're coming from the people who benefit the most from the status quo.

For the record I was born and raised Catholic.

reply to post by Garfee


Are you kiddin? Did you say you believe in free speech? Guess not, since you are telling millions of people to shut up.

reply to post by Annee

That's sick.

Self righteous: "Child are you hungry?" "Oh - that sucks for you - - I'm right - - you're parents were wrong for having sex" - - "Run along now - - you're blocking my path to church".

REALLY??

Well I have a very simple question for YOU.

Would YOU rather be HUNGRY or DEAD?

Originally posted by jlv70

For the record I was born and raised Catholic.

My devout Irish Catholic grandmother tried her best to raise me Catholic.

But - even at 5 years old - - I said: "Does God need all this?" - - meaning all the ornateness of the church and the pomp and circumstance of the "presentation". Plus - - the people - especially the women - were very mean to me. Its like all they cared about was being a good Catholic. I also remember them constantly calling on the phone asking for money. My very devout Catholic grandmother - - actually hung up on them several times.