Priest Warns Obama: Better Knock the Catholic Church Out NOW

reply to post by stirling


So you say:

You Both make me want to puke, as you have no right to pry into others lives and liberty.

Take your biggotted crap to your lord and leave it with him to sort out.....
Or whatever you do, but leave everyone else who doesnt think like your clone to make their own life.....

You are both getting abominably intrusive and looking like extremists.....fanaticism has no future in our world scheme of things....work it out for humanities sake, and use a little decorum when aproaching other who dont want to be bothered with all this mouth frothing.......

And then lecture us on RESPECT?

Its all a matter of respect....

WOW!!

To me medical care is one thing, not a whole bunch of ways to scam the people....
It should be goverment funded, and free to everyone,
We can afford it and we can deliver it....
just stopp gfinancing the largest military industrial complex in the world...... put the congress to work on this country and not everyone elses

So we CAN afford it??

FREE HEALTHCARE FOR EVERYONE!! Screw personal responsibility and ON WITH THE NANNY STATE!!!

Do away with the military because once everyone sees how good and caring we are NOBODY will ever want to harm us!!

reply to post by seabag


My view yes we should have a public healthcare system, and the healthcare reform act is not that. The system we have now is ridiculous. Why if you are going to put a third party into the healthcare system which is all insurance companies are would you choose the one that is about profit first? People were all up in arms over the idea a Government plan would include death panels, yet are willing to fork over their money to a corporation that does just that.

As far as abortion, personally im not for it, I just don't see what authority I have to make that decision for anyone else. We already know from the fossil record that infanticide happened it is a decision we are and have been capable of making for quite sometime. The ability to reason out what is best for our individual survival is one of the keys to our success as a species. Prescribed contraception should be covered and treated as any other prescription it is used to treat conditions other than contraception. And it is highly hypocritical to demand that it be banned because it prevents life when it also saves lives. Which do you put the most value on the life that already is or the one that may have been?

And finally yes this is an issue that i will be considering when i vote. And so far the Republican field has shown they have nothing to offer us on the economy, on jobs or a rational view on women's medical needs.

reply to post by KeliOnyx

My view yes we should have a public healthcare system, and the healthcare reform act is not that. The system we have now is ridiculous. Why if you are going to put a third party into the healthcare system which is all insurance companies are would you choose the one that is about profit first? People were all up in arms over the idea a Government plan would include death panels, yet are willing to fork over their money to a corporation that does just that.

The system we have now does suck. I don’t think the answer is turning it over to the federal government who has NEVER successfully run a program. Everything they touch falls apart.

As far as abortion, personally im not for it, I just don't see what authority I have to make that decision for anyone else. We already know from the fossil record that infanticide happened it is a decision we are and have been capable of making for quite sometime.

What authority? I would argue the SAME AUTHORITY we exercise now in making murder illegal. Why should we as a society punish those who take an adult life while turning our backs on the lives of children? There is no historical or moral justification for that.

Killing babies is no different from abortion, experts say.

And finally yes this is an issue that i will be considering when i vote. And so far the Republican field has shown they have nothing to offer us on the economy, on jobs or a rational view on women's medical needs.

And who does have something to offer? Obama? The guy who created more debt in 3 years than all past presidents combined?

reply to post by seabag


If there is to be madated healthcare, it should be ONLY for illness and injuries. Not conception or abortion (unless the mother's life is endangered).

The more the Nanny state grows, the harder we will all fall. The those on the dole will be the first victims.

Originally posted by seabag
There are obviously many reasons for high healthcare costs but, generally speaking, adding coverage for things like abortion and contraception are not helping to lower costs, are they?

Well, a labor costs probably a lot more than contraception to the health care system and that's not counting how much a child on wealth fare might cost if the parent don't feel ready monetarily ready to have a child.
On an economic point, paying for contraception is a good idea.

Originally posted by seabag
Will these issues play a role in the way you cast your vote? Is it important to you that we protect the pro-choice view in the supreme court, because that could very well change depending on who wins?

Yawn, I bet you're just another conservative that doesn't want to be controlled on anything even if it was for your own good but when it comes to abortion, you are willing to control the lives of others with no remorse and you wouldn't even want to pay 1 cent to help that child while he is growing up.

Pro life arguments are so moot IMO

It's just not your ****in life. Leave us alone.
How hard can that be.

Originally posted by stirling
To me medical care is one thing, not a whole bunch of ways to scam the people....
It should be government funded, and free to everyone,
We can afford it and we can deliver it....
just stop financing the largest military industrial complex in the world...... put the congress to work on this country and not everyone elses

Amen to that!

You actually have a working brain fit for the 21st century.
Congratulations

Health care should of never been capitalized
It should be an expense to get your working force back on their feet ASAP.

With a system like that, we could start finding cures and focus on prevention instead of profits.

reply to post by User8911

Pro life arguments are so moot IMO

Ya, because you obviously only understand your side.

It's just not you ****in life. Leave us alone.
How hard can that be.

I can ask the same of you who’s totally fine with taking the life of a child so as not to disrupt your lifestyle. IT’S NOT YOUR LIFE TO TAKE!

Pro Choice people always come across like they are so good and caring while in actuality they are selfish, self-absorbed low-life’s who condone murder IMO.

Originally posted by seabag
IT’S NOT YOUR LIFE TO TAKE!

It's not your life to begin with, so you have no choice over it.

I haven't watched the video, but will. Maybe... i've got time wasters nipping at my heels and should be off here anyway but want to gauge the pulse of the board right now for my own personal reasons.

So here comes the Catholic church... ok.

First thing i want to say is I am female and NOT pro-choice. Perfectly fine with birth control and the morning after pill. You screw around and get pregnant and it's time to take responsibility, imo.

However, in our culture of being oversexed and women often having the lesser voice (which gladly I think is changing but reluctance from men is ALL AROUND... experience this first hand all the time:@@

with the present culture in the so called most civilized societies women are still thinking (and often by their own stupidity even if they have a choice) that the best thing to do is get with a man who will take care of her and there are plenty of men (i live in the south... puhleaze) who have this notion that they are supposed to go out, get a woman and make her all kinds of promises only to turn and dominate her. On the other hand, girls who get privvy to this turn into players and wind up getting themselves hurt or just giving the rest of us a bad name.

This is a root issue even in civilized countries that needs to be dealt with while giving people the tools to protect themselves from unwanted pregnancy. You can get birth control at any health department but isn't the catholic church AGAINST birth control and notions like giving these things out?

If that mindset still holds then why in the world would the planned parenthood people be the nazis?

You see, if you support cheuvanism, do NOT support giving out birth control (because the expense is NOTHING compared to the cost of not doing it) and are not pro choice...sure, the pro-choicers are killing unborn babies, but the catholic church is birthing unwanted lives in droves and supporting a culture that says THEY will decide what to do about it and the end result is.....

drum roll please as if it's needed....

plenty of little soldiers for them to coach, control and use in war.

again, NOT for abortion here... it is murder to me but illegal abortions will still continue unless the entire culture is changed and the catholic church, what is IT doing to change the culture? How has IT'S principles improved giving it a reason to make this a political issue among men?

This is just something to get people riled up and probably facilitated by a Ron Paul supporter.

I'm not saying i disagree with the sentiment here but the main goal in my opinion should not be to slam the other side but to do better at solving the problem.

before i dive in, does this video even speak of solutions or does it just try to smack the other guy around as usual?

reply to post by User8911

It's not your life to begin with, so you have no choice over it.

AND YOU DO??

You chose to take a life that’s not yours. At least I’m erring on the side of the innocent life!

All I know is that if the Catholic Church keeps talking politics, in and out of their churches, they are going to have their tax exempt status stripped from them.

I personally believe they are very close to that line already.


The thing is, most "catholics" don't even support what the leadership is arguing about...so this really isn't a battle between Obama and all catholics...it is Obama vs the Vatican.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
All I know is that if the Catholic Church keeps talking politics, in and out of their churches, they are going to have their tax exempt status stripped from them.

I personally believe they are very close to that line already.


The thing is, most "catholics" don't even support what the leadership is arguing about...so this really isn't a battle between Obama and all catholics...it is Obama vs the Vatican.

Oh, if ONLY that would happen.

any organization so culturally influential but culturally BIASED should not be talking politics.

If they REALLY care, stop campaigning and start influencing a better culture... which for the CC has NEVER been empowering women to control their lives or letting people in general control their own lives... boys certainly included!

reply to post by NotAnAspie

This is just something to get people riled up and probably facilitated by a Ron Paul supporter.

I do support RP….for Secretary of Treasury!

I'm not saying i disagree with the sentiment here but the main goal in my opinion should not be to slam the other side but to do better at solving the problem.

Not many problems get solved on ATS…actually none. This is a debate forum.

before i dive in, does this video even speak of solutions or does it just try to smack the other guy around as usual?

Solution? Planned Parenthood has a campaign called “I have a say” asking for people’s views. This priest gave his views. It’s entertaining...

Originally posted by seabag
You chose to take a life that’s not yours. At least I’m erring on the side of the innocent life!

Pro Life people always come across like they are so good and caring while in actuality they are selfish, self-absorbed low-life’s who condone murder trough wars IMO.

You wouldn't even lay a dime for that child while growing up and you think you have more rights over him than his own parents.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher

All I know is that if the Catholic Church keeps talking politics, in and out of their churches, they are going to have their tax exempt status stripped from them.

I personally believe they are very close to that line already.

It won’t happen!

The thing is, most "catholics" don't even support what the leadership is arguing about...so this really isn't a battle between Obama and all catholics...it is Obama vs the Vatican.

It’s about abortion or no abortion. If a religion can’t be involved in issues of life, death and morality then what are they supposed to do, remain silent??

I know that’s what some of you would like but thousands of years of history shows that won’t happen either!

Shut up, Catholics.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher

All I know is that if the Catholic Church keeps talking politics, in and out of their churches, they are going to have their tax exempt status stripped from them.

From your finger tips to God's eyes!

I hope. I hope!

reply to post by User8911

Pro Life people always come across like they are so good and caring while in actuality they are selfish, self-absorbed low-life’s who condone murder trough wars IMO.

Next time you use my words you can quote me!

What do wars have to do with this? Don’t change the subject just because you can’t defend you indefensible position.

You wouldn't even lay a dime for that child while growing up and you think you have more rights over him than his own parents.

So it’s all about money? Killing kids is cheaper? How shallow and selfish is that?

All children have a right to LIFE. If you don’t want kids, abstain or use contraception (that you buy for yourself like everyone before you). If that fails, take responsibility! What a concept!

I think that’s where it falls apart. Liberals REFUSE to take any personal responsibility for ANYTHING. People like you are ushering in the nanny state.

It is true that Catholics, and many non-Catholic denominations have remained very quiet on the moral decay of America over the past few decades. Once it was a persons choice to do privately the things now being forced upon the people as a whole. Abortion, contraception, and same sex unions, etc. But now the struggle is on for who will eventually prevail. Obama may have picked the wrong fight counting that many in name only Catholics will continue to due the very things the Church detests and therefore support Obama. That will not happen. To many Catholics, if they cannot obtain forgiveness for defying the Church they will obey. Others will simply awaken. But the end result will be such an overwhelming tsunami of voter rejection that we may near see the end to liberal anything in government come November. And that's a lot of democrats.

Thankyou. I was never so happy as when they chose this fight, as I am today.