WARNING! IMPORTANT!: WE ARE NOT being told the full story about the Kony situation!

reply to post by Asktheanimals


Joseph Kony's Spirit War (2003)
Richard Petraitis
This is some very good history and info on Kony, with lots of references, if you are intrested.
www.infidels.org...

Wow.....this is too much. I'd never even heard of this organization until LAST NIGHT when my 8th-grade daughter approached me and said this vid was being posted all over Facebook and that everyone was saying "It's worth a watch." So, I started watching it and I started to get pissed very quickly. The whole thing wreaks and something isn't right.

Yes, it's a terrible thing that this Kony guy has done, but this kind of thing has been going on for a long time and not just in Uganda. The idea that U.S. officials refused to get involved because it wasn't a "national threat" to our country is s joke. This vid had all the earmarkings of a ploy to garner public support for some nefarious purpose. I don't care if that sounds heartless. Something is up, and it pisses me off that our young people are being used in this ploy for sympathy.

I'm so pissed right now.

reply to post by NightGypsy


I agree Gypsy. There's something more in the works. The sheep are really "baa-ing" today. Too many posts on facebook, twitter, etc. talking about it and trumping up support. Seems in these days people will take anything at face value. I smell something ominous. I'm posting the opposing view all over Facebook and every time I do, Facebook makes me do a captcha puzzle. Pisses me off. I'll be addressing this with my high school students tomorrow. Maybe I can teach them a lesson in critical thinking.


-TS

Why all of this sudden talk about Kony? I've been trying to get the message across since October of last year and no one pays attention.

We are already going after him as signed into law by Obama in May 2010. We've got spec ops on the ground in all 4 countries detailed in this law that passed unchallenged and without debate in the House and the Senate. All unanimous.

I dont want to derail this thread but I've got plenty of research and info tied up in these threads
www.abovetopsecret.com...
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I'm glad to see this is finally getting attention here. There's been a couple of threads over the last few days. We all need to wise up as to what is going on while we are being distracted by all of the other headlines. As of now the MSM is not touching this nor has it touched this issue. Just buried articles

www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Read up and bring attention to this. Maybe someone will Ask Jay Carney a few questions at the daily presser.

reply to post by seenavv


I'm going to repost my post from the other KONY Thread. Seems more appropriate here..


The whole Idea is really nice.

BUT.. you tell me they have supporters like Zuckerberg, Bono (what a tool) etc. and can't get the money needed to end this before dinner? It's a guy hiding in the bushes and no high tech predator!

To much Facebook and Obama 2012 for my taste.. Using the misery of those kids to pursue their own goals.
Plus seeing Condoleeza on this posters makes me Lock her up for good!!! That would be a start!!

Here's the whole video



Go to 1:34 of the vid. He says The Next 27 minutes are an experiment. But In order for it to work you have to pay attention! Now tell me who really heard that? I can't remember hearing it until I played it again...

Seriously?? That's from the video


Those poor guys even took the time to make neat shading on the letters..

Good job Mark Zuckerberg..

I did some quick research into the LRA and Kony. It seems G.W.Bush was hot on intervention from the time he took office and gave Uganda 2 helicopters and technical assistance. The UN sent Guatemalan special forces to destroy or capture Kony and all wound up dead.
Obama has already sent US troops as "Advisors" back in '09.

I tend to think Kony is another CIA creation who can only stay one step ahead due to outside assistance.
There is much hidden from view here,

reply to post by Flavian


Hello,
Im new here could you please tell me what a psy-op is?

Guys I'm wondering is this an excuse to make a new Libya because here's what happen when American imperialists actually interfere a new racist genocidal regime that is currently ruling Libya courtesy of NATO

I gotta say I'm loving the investigative work in this thread, good job folks
I got aware of the video during the first day it was ''published'' by the Invisible children channel on Youtube. I admit falling ''prey'' to it, it is indeed a moving documentary and conveys a inspiring and positive message of things that need to change.

during the last 24 hours I've noticed how ABSOLUTLY viral it has become...then I started having this wierd feeling about it so I did my own research and watched the video with a more analytical mind.

So many people are commenting about how cute and sweet his son is....but frankly, am I the only one who feels that using his son as a sort of contrast to instill an emotional response into the viewers feels wrong? He DID mention his son loves to play in movies....

All of this as become such a double edged blade situation....because its a very sensitive subject. Its became so viral that if you don't really support, people will call you inconsiderate...and if you dare pose critic about the legetimacy of the whole thing ...well you'll be called a c*cks*cker.

It is indeed fascinating....as for me, I guess we'll see how it all plays out

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Great post OP. Thanks for that!
This sudden interest in Kony makes me suspicious. It's all over the web. A coworker just sent me a link to it today. TPTB are very resourceful when they want to be, aren't they?

S&F

Originally posted by NightGypsy
Yes, it's a terrible thing that this Kony guy has done, but this kind of thing has been going on for a long time and not just in Uganda.

Exactly... like all of a sudden all of these famous people care?

All of a sudden the world is taking notice?

Something fishy about this for sure.

All of this as become such a double edged blade situation....because its a very sensitive subject. Its became so viral that if you don't really support, people will call you inconsiderate...and if you dare pose critic about the legetimacy of the whole thing ...well you'll be called a c*cks*cker.

I imagine this is one of the desired effects of a psy-op. The have us like snakes eating their own tails, to distract us, and to rob us, not just of our money, but our brothers and children that go and fight these military interventions. String it out longer than it's should, let the military industrial complex stash another 10 billion in the caches, kill the dude, and create a new Osama bin Laden. Rinse and repeat, and we keep eating it up...

But it's not our faults.

This is their game and they know how they have us conditioned. It is only natural to want to kick this guy's ass into hell for all the evil he's perpetrated, but look at the evil the "good guys" are doing reporting this and starting wars. It's the good cop, bad cop routine, but if you haven't figured this out yet... come closer....They're still Cops!

This is the last of their games, the tide is turning, and sooner rather than later, our collective consciousness won't support this kind of deception and greed. I agree with the OP. They're are playing off our basic instincts, arousing emotion and garnering support for a program that's perpetually serves the elite and causes more death and destruction, over there, AND over here, psychologically and financially.

System broke.

Why go through the trouble of blocking the counter opposite of ''Visible Children'' at all? The page itself can only serve to document people further to make a more informed opinion on the matter...

I also have to say that I think that if this is 100% legit and these people "Invisible Children" have been tirelessly working for the last however many years to highlight this issue and try and get some publicity and shine a light on this issue.... then good on them.

Today the entire world knows about this bastard and they have literally got their message around the world.


Sometimes we can be a bit too paranoid for our own good on ATS.


If it is all a ploy and some kind of scam or something, then my above comment still stands.

reply to post by seenavv


Quick note, regarding the colors used for Obama - a very talented street artist started the blue+red Obama, which the Obama administration sued him for 100,000 thousand dollars and then stole his art to promote his presidency.

Just thought I'd add that.

There's a protest event on Facebook which is going to take place next month in a town about 20 minutes from where I live, and there are people on there saying it's going to be a riot, they're going to tear the town up, etc. The event description even says they are going to 'blitz' the town... and all this 'protesting' is going to happen at midnight. Sounds suspicious, huh?

I have no idea where this came from, suddenly thousands of people are sharing and talking about it and many of them refuse to even view the facts about the Kony situation. Many are insulting the people posting these facts, etc.

How will military intervention help when it's an army that is known to rape and pillage shooting the children the charity is supposedly trying to save?

I wish people would wake up and be less ignorant.

Originally posted by 4KAAN


I imagine this is one of the desired effects of a psy-op. The have us like snakes eating their own tails, to distract us, and to rob us, not just of our money, but our brothers and children that go and fight these military interventions. String it out longer than it's should, let the military industrial complex stash another 10 billion in the caches, kill the dude, and create a new Osama bin Laden. Rinse and repeat, and we keep eating it up...

But it's not our faults.

This is their game and they know how they have us conditioned. It is only natural to want to kick this guy's ass into hell for all the evil he's perpetrated, but look at the evil the "good guys" are doing reporting this and starting wars. It's the good cop, bad cop routine, but if you haven't figured this out yet... come closer....They're still Cops!

Well said
The thing that irks me isn't the money aspect as much but...He has been on that criminal list for a while now. As another poster mentioned, the US seemed to have already tried to intervene on the matter in the past with no result. But it still feels like meager efforts for a guy they put as numero uno. What could this pacifist organization do that they couldn't achieve? I mean they did mention using the donation to build infrastructure to help the people in need over there (which is great of course) but the whole central point of the movie is about Kony and making him famous...FAMOUS thats right. Now eyes all over the world are watching this fella...logically if the US does something about it now everybody will bare witness to a heroic intervention.

If it does unfold like that, it might just be the biggest publicity stunt ever for re-election...........sleigh of hand kinda thing

I do not doubt for a second that those involved in KONY 2012 have great intentions, nor do I doubt for a second that Joseph Kony is a very evil man. But despite this, I’m strongly opposed to the KONY 2012 campaign.

KONY 2012 is the product of a group called Invisible Children, a controversial activist group and not-for-profit. They’ve released 11 films, most with an accompanying bracelet colour (KONY 2012 is fittingly red), all of which focus on Joseph Kony. When we buy merch from them, when we link to their video, when we put up posters linking to their website, we support the organization. I don’t think that’s a good thing, and I’m not alone.

Invisible Children has been condemned time and time again. As a registered not-for-profit, its finances are public. Last year, the organization spent $8,676,614. Only 32% went to direct services (page 6), with much of the rest going to staff salaries, travel and transport, and film production. This is far from ideal, and Charity Navigator rates their accountability 2/4 stars because they haven’t had their finances externally audited. But it goes way deeper than that.

The group is in favour of direct military intervention, and their money funds the Ugandan government’s army and various other military forces. Here’s a photo of the founders of Invisible Children posing with weapons and personnel of the Sudan People’s Liberation Army. Both the Ugandan army and Sudan People’s Liberation Army are riddled with accusations of rape and looting, but Invisible Children defends them, arguing that the Ugandan army is “better equipped than that of any of the other affected countries”, although Kony is no longer active in Uganda and hasn’t been since 2006 by their own admission.

Still, the bulk of Invisible Children’s spending isn’t on funding African militias, but on awareness and filmmaking. Which can be great, except that Foreign Affairs has claimed that Invisible Children (among others) “manipulates facts for strategic purposes, exaggerating the scale of LRA abductions and murders and emphasizing the LRA’s use of innocent children as soldiers, and portraying Kony — a brutal man, to be sure — as uniquely awful, a Kurtz-like embodiment of evil.” He’s certainly evil, but exaggeration and manipulation to capture the public eye is unproductive, unprofessional and dishonest.

As Christ Blattman, a political scientist at Yale, writes on the topic of IC’s programming, “There’s also something inherently misleading, naive, maybe even dangerous, about the idea of rescuing children or saving of Africa. […] It hints uncomfortably of the White Man’s Burden. Worse, sometimes it does more than hint. The savior attitude is pervasive in advocacy, and it inevitably shapes programming. Usually misconceived programming.”

Still, Kony’s a bad guy, and he’s been around a while. Which is why the US has been involved in stopping him for years. U.S. Africa Command (AFRICOM) has sent multiple missions to capture or kill Kony over the years. And they’ve failed time and time again, each provoking a ferocious response and increased retaliative slaughter. The issue with taking out a man who uses a child army is that his bodyguards are children. Any effort to capture or kill him will almost certainly result in many children’s deaths, an impact that needs to be minimized as much as possible. Each attempt brings more retaliation. And yet Invisible Children supports military intervention. Kony has been involved in peace talks in the past, which have fallen through. But Invisible Children is now focusing on military intervention.

Military intervention may or may not be the right idea, but people supporting KONY 2012 probably don’t realize they’re supporting the Ugandan military who are themselves raping and looting away. If people know this and still support Invisible Children because they feel it’s the best solution based on their knowledge and research, I have no issue with that. But I don’t think most people are in that position, and that’s a problem.

Is awareness good? Yes. But these problems are highly complex, not one-dimensional and, frankly, aren’t of the nature that can be solved by postering, film-making and changing your Facebook profile picture, as hard as that is to swallow. Giving your money and public support to Invisible Children so they can spend it on supporting ill-advised violent intervention and movie #12 isn’t helping. Do I have a better answer? No, I don’t, but that doesn’t mean that you should support KONY 2012 just because it’s something. Something isn’t always better than nothing. Sometimes it’s worse.

If you want to write to your Member of Parliament or your Senator or the President or the Prime Minister, by all means, go ahead. If you want to post about Joseph Kony’s crimes on Facebook, go ahead. But let’s keep it about Joseph Kony, not KONY 2012.

From; visiblechildren.tumblr.com.nyud.net...

I was looking for those two pictures. I saw the names advertised everywhere.
i just made a mini rant post about this issue, i hope you like it OP.

I am strongly for where you stand, and i am dissapointed with the rest of the world (For whatever that's worth [my opinion i mean])

I just got asked to join in the fight on FB. My friend has KONY as her picture. I know not enough yet to make my own conclusion but I am soooo glad this site is here so we may all come together and work this out.

Im aware of the children and the issues but this is the first time I have heard of Kony??