Is there a Heaven And Hell ? or the worlds greastest lie?

reply to post by Tritan

. . . no human words, picture or book . . .

Maybe if you understood the concept of sentence structure . . .

I find your post sadness inducing in its pessimism and lack of linkage to God.

There is a lore that links what is in our heart to the heart of God who is then familiar to us.
Here is some theme music to help convey this concept:

reply to post by jmdewey60


I typed it on an iPod. Takes long and comes out wrong, my sentence structure,. But you are lost my friend, it's that sort of derivative thought train that locks us all away in mediocre pokes at truth, your faith is cute though truly, but your giving yourself and those who u obtained an image or thought of our creator too much credit, you, me, we are all nothing. You are imsifnificant as I, you are worshipping the god that man created, not the god that created man, no human knows what our creator is, so don't ask or turn to any human, a dogs bark response is just as real as any priests response to what our creator is, I'm sorry friend, but truth is not yours this lifetime

reply to post by Tritan

. . . your giving yourself and those who u obtained an image or thought of our creator too much credit . . .

It is not possible for it to be impossible to know our creator.
Our very existence demands a connection between us and what brought about our creation.
For example, the video I embedded above, where does that creativity come from?

reply to post by jmdewey60


Truth

reply to post by Badgered1


God has no trouble with Satan. You may ask yourself, why doesnt he just snap his fingers and banish Satan from existence? Satan balances out good and evil, as of his fall. God could just snap his fingers, but he would be breaking His covenants. God has everything planned out. He is trying to test and learn us humans through iniquity and sin, which is dished out by Satan.

reply to post by Xeven

You obviously have no conception of te Bible to believe that. Before Jesus, there was Sheol, which still exists today. Sheol was basically hell. (the word hell derives from the Greek word of Sheol) Those who followed YHWH in the Old Testament went to a place in Sheol called Abraham's Bosom. Others went to the bad part of Sheol.
Think of this, there are two places you could go when you died (Old Testament wise):

Abraham's Bosom (Basically an afterlife where nothing bad happens)

Darker part of Sheol(Pretty much hell or in darkness forever cut off from YHWH)


These are the places you can go now as of Jesus to the Present:

Heaven

Sheol (Pretty much 'stuck in the grave'. Where you are neither in heaven nor hell)

Hell



When Jesus resurrected, he went down and took all of the residents of Abraham's Bosom to Heaven

reply to post by yourmaker


Blessed are the ones who still believe after many lies and false influence.
We are in the physical realm, when I die, I will hopefully go to the realm of Heaven.
I for one have hope and faith, something that this world is lacking.

Tell me why you dont believe in God? Got anything?

reply to post by PunkNerd5

1) God has no trouble with Satan. 2) You may ask yourself, why doesnt he just snap his fingers and banish Satan from existence? 3) Satan balances out good and evil, as of his fall. 4) God could just snap his fingers, but he would be breaking His covenants. 5) God has everything planned out. 6) He is trying to test and learn us humans through iniquity and sin, which is dished out by Satan.

1)Jesus judged Satan and overcame the world.
2) Satan is banished.
3) No one needs evil to create a "balance".
4) There is no one above God forcing Him to comply with any sort of covenant.
5) God did not "plan out" the existence of Satan, or evil.
6) This life is not a test. This is our life.
7) Satan has been effectively neutralized by Jesus, leaving us no excuse for bad behavior. What we need to do is eliminate iniquity and sin from the world and we do his on an individual bases so our descendants don't have to live through it, having no need to experience suffering to "learn".

reply to post by jmdewey60


Im saying God tests us through our life, not that life itself is a test. Im saying that there is sin in this world, us humans are sinful by birth. God doesnt send or manipulate evil, Satan does. God is not the author of evil. In other words, Satan tries to get us with evil, but God bends the evil to where it shapes us and makes us stronger in faith.
While Satan sends evil and sin our way, God limits Satan's powers.

reply to post by PunkNerd5

Im saying that there is sin in this world, us humans are sinful by birth.

If that was true, it would be odd for Jesus to say we should be like little children.
Also it would be out of place for Jesus to be good.
The world itself presents obstacles.
Mathew 18:7
“Woe to the world because of its stumbling blocks! For it is inevitable that stumbling blocks come; but woe to that man through whom the stumbling block comes!

Life has enough problems, just by the nature of the physical world itself. People cause problems, without any help by Satan, and those who cause problems will be held personally responsible.

Originally posted by PunkNerd5
reply to post by yourmaker

 

Tell me why you dont believe in God? Got anything?

in the world i've experienced, nothing has given the slightest of clues that would indicate a grand, all knowing/powerful designer who commands my undying loyalty.

i've opened myself to the idea on more then one occasion, and everytime the same answer reveals itself.

it's not possible

reply to post by yourmaker

in the world i've experienced, nothing has given the slightest of clues that would indicate a grand, all knowing/powerful designer who commands my undying loyalty.

i've opened myself to the idea on more then one occasion, and everytime the same answer reveals itself.

it's not possible

My suggestion to you would be to make a list:
A) a grand, all knowing/powerful designer who commands my undying loyalty
B) God

Yes there is. HELL is right here on Earth. And HEAVEN is when you die and have done enough good...to not have to come back here...and do it all over again!

reply to post by jmdewey60


We are born into sin, that doesnt mean the humans are full of sin. He compares us to little children because they are innocent and the innocent are good. This world is cursed in sin, and the Devil's playground. God is the only thing standing between total destruction from Satan. Remember, Satan sends evil, God doesnt. God created evil but he does not send it, Satan does. God turns every thing Satan sends at us into a test for faith.

reply to post by jmdewey60


1) Jesus did not judge Satan, he overcame him. (comply with 2)
2) Satan is banished by God after 'tempting' Jesus
3) Evil is the opposite of Good, if opposites did not balance, modern logic and even science for that matter would be futile
4) God cannot lie. God never changes. God is all knowing and all powerful. These are some of the attributes of God, none of which have been breached.
5) God created souls who can determine their own future while still having complete control over them.
6) God created a working independent realm that governs it's own behavior, while having portals and such into the spiritual realm where Heaven and Sheol lies. Life is not a test, life is comprised of tests.
7) Jesus' teachings support the martyring for Christianity. Tests improve faith. If there were no enemies and such, how could you improve? Answer = Building faith by studying only. We are only human, even the apostles (and the whole Israelite clan entirely) stopped believing over a period of time without any suffering and stuff.

Questions?

It is my belief heaven and hell are all in the mind, and real.

Why do some experience love, light, and warmth while the others experience monsters, darkness, and a stinch?

Their mind perceives what they believe about themselves, is my opinion from my own personal studies!!! Its proven more "christians" go to hell than any other group. Why do you think this is? Because they believe in it and may find them self to be a bad person and perhaps scared they will go there..... And then do. This is why they call out for God or Jesus and he comes to the rescue in each case I have read about.

Who is satan and how many times is he/ she/ it mentioned in the Bible and what does satan and sin truly mean within the written word/ language it was used in. When read like a book ( front to back) you will find the message is LIGHT!! I did anyway.

With any text, especially the Bible, one really needs to seek and dissect the word. One word mistranslated could be a deal kill. In this case a long life of suffering while on Earth.

My conclusion thus far.. With MY studies and research....

Jesus words are truth to my heart. ( keyword, MY )

Jesus words are found also by looking outside the Bible. This is key for understanding the word as well. I think God wants us to find him everywhere and anywhere and when you are a true seeker you seek him, everywhere..... ALL the time, or atleast I do.

There are tons of books not in the Bible that are useful and for the open minded, a blessing. For the closed minded ( believer who believes every word they were TAUGHT by accepting anothers opinion ) a curse.

Originally posted by MamaJ


There are tons of books not in the Bible that are useful and for the open minded, a blessing. For the closed minded ( believer who believes every word they were TAUGHT by accepting anothers opinion ) a curse.

Why is it a curse?