Is there a Heaven And Hell ? or the worlds greastest lie?

Even the Tanakh is a book that was created from oral tradition and as such it was and is just a book written by man and yes there are no references to hell in the Tanakh.

There are a lot of oral traditions that didn't make it into the Bible. What makes one oral account better than another? Why is this book not allowed? Maybe those other accounts didn't help in strengthening the clerics hold on the masses. Maybe some of the other accounts would have set people free to think for themselves.

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provokingly well thought out

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Apologies, as a biological entity totally agree, I thought we were discussing the indoctrinated version. I am convinced there was an individual who was legendary within his epoch that was utilised for the stories we have represented called Jesus.

The length and breadth of the manipulation is the point I was trying to (unsuccessfully) make. The name Jesus and the biblical representation is most likely IMHO an assignation of a collective of stories, myths and representations by the ORGANISERS of religion in his name.

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How do you know this. This kind of bull# is what wrecked my family. You do know its such a line of Bull crap

Originally posted by HEATHERTHOMSON911
I lost my parents because of religion. My entire family are either church owners or are ministers in their faith. I grew-up in this environment. I grew-up in fear that if I did something wrong that would condemn me to an eternity of flames and torture. I eventually grew-up.
I am an adult now and I asked myself the question. The question being is: if I am going to grasp God and be so faithful and so devoted to that being, then I wanted to know what exactly I was doing.
So I searched and searched.....I kept on saying to myself that there HAD to be a true religion. What I found was the "Epic of Gilgamesh". It is the very first writing of human kind. That HAD to be the first, right? No...even that writing left a false taste in my mouth. So here I am...unsatisfied with the truth that I have found but hungry for the truth out there.
If anyone can help me, it would be gratifying for one to be without faith is one to float for an eternity.

edit on 6-3-2012 by HEATHERTHOMSON911 because: (no reason given)

I will tell you the exact truth of the bible , first of there is no hell . Every story and parable in the bible is to teach us and let us what to expect in the end of days .

Read the story of the rich man and Lazarus the poor disabled man forced to take handouts to survive . In short Lazarus dies and goes to heaven soon after the rich man dies and goes to heaven but is separated by a rift from the side Lazarus and the patriarch Abraham .

Everybody goes to heaven but when they get there they are separated the good from the bad , there's no eternal hell fires the churches of men teach which in fact is evil so it has to come from Satan .

At the end of this earth age Satan will be locked away so he can not influence man . Heaven will be on earth and a great stream of living waters will separate the priests of Jesus , his Zadok of the order of Melchazadok . These priests will be able to cross this river to teach the truth of God that was not learned in this earth age . This is the seventh day the sabbath day and the millennium or millennial rein of our Lord Jesus Christ .


At the end of this millennium Satan will be loosed again to tempt those who were retaught to see who listened , of you follow Satan this time then thats it, you will be thrown in the lake of fire and be blotted out of existence so much so that no one will know you ever existed .

So to answer your question yes there is heaven and no hell . Read that story and the last three chapters of revelation. Chapters 40 thru 60 of Issiah talk of the millennium but can be hard to follow .peace and I hope this helps all

Originally posted by mikelkhall
Even the Tanakh is a book that was created from oral tradition and as such it was and is just a book written by man and yes there are no references to hell in the Tanakh.

There are a lot of oral traditions that didn't make it into the Bible. What makes one oral account better than another? Why is this book not allowed? Maybe those other accounts didn't help in strengthening the clerics hold on the masses. Maybe some of the other accounts would have set people free to think for themselves.

Yes I realize that, I'm not suggesting that it is any more accurate than scribblings on a napkin at the bar.. what I'm suggesting however is that the bible we know today is at least physically traced back to those documents.. and that those documents have no hell..

It's like me telling a story about a guy who had a dollar, and then years later someone decides he had two dollars .. basically all of those followers of the story are like "HOORAY! he actually had two dollars!" ... why? just because someone decided to add to the story? .. it doesn't work that way .. hell can't exist just because someone wrote it in at some point.. it doesn't work that way =)

Originally posted by spacedonk
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Apologies, as a biological entity totally agree, I thought we were discussing the indoctrinated version. I am convinced there was an individual who was legendary within his epoch that was utilised for the stories we have represented called Jesus.

The length and breadth of the manipulation is the point I was trying to (unsuccessfully) make. The name Jesus and the biblical representation is most likely IMHO an assignation of a collective of stories, myths and representations by the ORGANISERS of religion in his name.

There were many "jesus" type people in that time .. the Jewish people tend to look at our reverence of Jesus with curiosity because in the time of Jesus.. the concept of resurrection was a common one, many holy men of the time were said to have been raised from the dead .. the idea of miracles were common, many self proclaimed messiah's of the time were doing them.. so the Jewish people tend to look at us and say "Ok, why did you pick this one?" .. and most Christians don't even REALIZE this history.. Watch Python's life of Brian .. they illustrate this beautifully when you see them walking through the market and you see many people standing on pedastools preaching their own faiths.. making prophecies, performing miracles .. etc.. and that's actually how it was..

And I just noticed your signature... ha

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Peace brother.

I have not one cell of my existence in agreement with you, but I understand your choice to believe. If this provides you solace I wish you well, if turmoil, then discard and live anew.

PS: starring your post was for quality of response not agreement with the content.

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I am truly sorry that your family has been wrecked by religion. Just remember, you said it yourself, you are an adult now and as such you have the ability to live YOUR life to the fullest. I understand what you are going through because I was always the "blacksheep" of my family. All my uncles, aunts, cousins, etc were preachers. I was expected to follow suit. Boy did I fool them. I became a cop.

The bottom line is this: It is your life so make your own joy. Don't let them take Your joy away from you. Look to your own happiness. Don't try to live up to the expectations of others. If you try that you will always fail. I hope you find happiness in the life we are living here and now. Don't wait for the hereafter or you will have wasted so much time.

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'E's not the messiah 'E's a naughty little boy!

Nuff said


FOLLOW THE GOURD.

No the shoe the shoe: etc etc




Alms for an ex leper?

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i only wish that everyone thought that way but they don't and I cant credit a god for your goodness

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Hee hee. You are funny but I think I should warn you. Look at your avatar, I think jesus is sneaking up on you. Wasn't jusus a spaceman?

oops. change jusus to jesus.

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what a virus that's been

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wow speachless

Originally posted by miniatus

Originally posted by WatcherMan
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Your not understanding what I'm saying sorry, Satan does a lot of his work through the elite, so they are the ones doing the actual handiwork of trying to discredit Christianity. They did that by creating every other religion out there, Buddhism, Mormon, everything. They even have a new one recently, chrislam. They're working overtime to do this. Your right, man did mess with the texts. But hell is real nonetheless. Hell wasn't created by man.

MANY religions on this planet pre-date Christianity or even the old testament so that to me is kind of a silly thing to say.. Since those other religions are older than your own, you could very well argue that Satan invented Christianity for the purpose you describe..

I still STRONGLY suggest you do some actual research into biblical history.. I have.. I was an ordained, practicing minister long before I was no longer religious .. while I am not religious anymore, I'm still very much a bible scholar in my own right because it's deeply interesting to me... but it's quite frustrating when people don't understand their own religions history, especially the history of the text they worship from.

Well then since you are a bible scholar then you know a day to the lord is a thousand years to man ( 2Peter 3:8 ). So let's start at the beginning because it is always the best place to start . Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth . No date given there but we know from science this was billions of years ago . Since God does not create anything in vane the job was completed.

Gen. 1:2 and the earth WAS void and without form .......... The word was is not the proper translation it is the Hebrew word "Hayaw" 1961 in the Strongs concordance . This word means to become .

So let us read verse two again and the world became void and without form . In other words God destroyed the world and the story of Genesis is about its recreation. .

So we go to Gen. 1:26 Let US make man in OUR IMAGE and OUR likeness. The main stream religion tries to tell us this is God speaking of Himself Jesus and the Holy Spirit , this is a lie and they know it. This statement speaks of all of us be put back on earth from the destruction of verse Gen. 1:2 .

This destruction occurred because Satan rose up a against God and got 1/3 of the people to follow him.
Let's go to verse Gen. 1:28 god tells the people both man and woman to go out and replenish the earth and by the way the sixth day creation in verse 1:26 was the creation of ALLTHE RACES ,God called them man or Adam in the Hebrew . Anyways you see that he told to replenish which indicates he earth was once filled with man .remeber each day to God is a thousand years so the sixth day creation of the races was in the sixth thousand year of re relating the destroyed earth.

So God rests on the seventh day which was another thousand years and on the eighth day God creates Adam and eve . Remember Adam means man in Hebrew but God called this man "ef ha Adam ." or man to till the ground And the line of humanity God wanted Jesus born from.

So you see the people of the sixth day had a two thousand year headstart on the bible story. You also must remeber that the angels that were watchers to teach the sixth day creation were some of those angels crossed their estate and mated with woman creating giants . Satan was also busy creating false religions to destroy Gods plan , but anyway this is why we see religions and writings older than the bible .

I know many will say this is bs because they were taught different and want to hold onto the traditions of man but one must remeber this earth age Satan is doing all he can to destroy Gods plan and the bible really does not tell us why just that it is so. One last. One Cain when kicked out of the garden and when he went to Nod he found a wife , she was a sixth day creation.

the fact that we even have to have this conversation with people who still even slightly believe in heaven and hell...
IN THE 21ST CENTURY!!!!



or even jesus, LIKE WTF!!! nothing makes me lol more then the thought of jesus.

Originally posted by yourmaker
the fact that we even have to have this conversation with people who still even slightly believe in heaven and hell...
IN THE 21ST CENTURY!!!!

or even jesus, LIKE WTF!!! nothing makes me lol more then the thought of jesus.

Keep laughing because this earth age is almost over , do you know how God is going to cleanse the earth this time ? Fire with fire and the fact there was just a thread that speaks of them knowing the sun is going to destroy the earth and all these deep deep bunkers are being built by every government adds some validity to the story if you ask me .

There is plenty of prophecy in the bible that has come to pass which shows it was divinely inspired but people ignore that as self fore filling prophecy or whatever . Your days are numbered just like the rest of man , so just remeber you read this when it is really upon you.seek Jesus now before it is to late.

Posited by Azadok

So you see the people of the sixth day had a two thousand year headstart on the bible story. You also must remeber that the angels that were watchers to teach the sixth day creation were some of those angels crossed their estate and mated with woman creating giants . Satan was also busy creating false religions to destroy Gods plan , but anyway this is why we see religions and writings older than the bible .

I know many will say this is bs because they were taught different and want to hold onto the traditions of man but one must remeber THIS EARTH AGE Satan is doing all he can to destroy Gods plan and the bible really does not tell us why just that it is so. One last. One Cain when kicked out of the garden and when he went to Nod he found a wife , she was a sixth day creation.

emphasis my own.

Aza, can you give any parameters to Earth Ages? As I said each belief to their own, but your arguments sound like a shoddy fantasy trilogy with a retrofit explanation in the last Act for the heroes actions. I can see how YOU justify the mishmash of religions to yourself but how is it you are positive of your interpretations? Surely a myth is a myth is a myth????

We are all born with a desire to find the "Creator", because we all came from this original source. In some it is insatiable and intense, in others not so much so. That isn't something that religion instilled in us, it's what was instilled in us at birth that religion preys upon.

Pythagoras discovered "God" in Science, particularly Mathematics and Music. In the Bible, where the Apostle Paul warns Timothy about "Knowledge falsely so-called", the Greek word for "knowledge" is gnosis, which specifically means, according to Strong's Concordance, scientific knowledge.

You will not find "God" anywhere else but Mathematics. Everything both within our dimension and without it can be understood in mathematical terms. This is not something mystical but within the grasp of every human.

Illumination - Complete Mathematics

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The Incompleteness Theorem

armageddonconspiracy.co.uk...

Originally posted by Azadok

Originally posted by yourmaker
the fact that we even have to have this conversation with people who still even slightly believe in heaven and hell...
IN THE 21ST CENTURY!!!!

or even jesus, LIKE WTF!!! nothing makes me lol more then the thought of jesus.

Keep laughing because this earth age is almost over , do you know how God is going to cleanse the earth this time ? Fire with fire and the fact there was just a thread that speaks of them knowing the sun is going to destroy the earth and all these deep deep bunkers are being built by every government adds some validity to the story if you ask me .

There is plenty of prophecy in the bible that has come to pass which shows it was divinely inspired but people ignore that as self fore filling prophecy or whatever . Your days are numbered just like the rest of man , so just remeber you read this when it is really upon you.seek Jesus now before it is to late.

see this bibical talk is non sensical. you keep talking like you're from the 15th century dude, it's not fooling nobody.
the earth age?? there has only been one age and thats the earth age LOL. humans manifested on this planet and yeah we will die out on it too. its the way of nature. why fear it? especially with fantasy fairy tales.
frodo, take the one ring to mordor or jesus will not return!!

any human can prophesize.
yourmaker 4:20 ; an earthquake of terrible destruction shall strike between the poles of north and south,
a white bird shall drop from the heavens and decend into the fiery pit from which no soul shall escape,
not one word will be spoke, for there will be only dust.

no i won't be asking for his forgiveness anytime soon. screw god.