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Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by ALF88
I still wonder if people in western countries will ever understand that Iran doesn't have and isn't developing nuclear weapons

Israel has a peaceful nuclear program as well.
Also, since you seem to fail at comprehending information, the concern on Ian is the ABILITY to produce a nuclear weapon. That is why the main issue is enrichment levels.

Iran right now only uses 1/10th of the installed gas-centrifuges that it needs to enrich Uranium to 20%, and it is used for a small reactor near Tehran, which was actually supported and delivered by the USA while the Shah was still in power. Everything they produce there is to supply cancer patients with necessary isotopes.

With the rest of the centrifuges Iran enriches Uranium to 3,5% which they use to produce nuclear fuel elements for reactors.

The IAEA knows for a long time that Iran wants to raise the level of 20% enrichment Uranium by 1/3rd, the report from the 8th of November 2011 already states that. It is nothing new as MSM and other idiots are trying to tell the public. The production of 20% enriched Uranium started in 2010 in Natanz. Since the 14th of December 2011 they are also enriching Uranium in Fordow. In the last IAEA report it states that Iran up until February 2012 has produced 109,2 kg of 20% enriched Uranium, 94,5kg in Natanz and 13,8kg in Fordow and the MSM now claims that this is almost half the nuclear material, that they need to build a bomb.

That is a senseless mindgame, because to achieve that, Iran would have to continue to enrich the Uranium to more than 90%. Iran doesn't want that, as they have always said, they never tried it, and they don't do it now. It is not even clear if Iran has the technical capabilities to do that. Apart from that cameras, instruments and IAEA inspectors would have easily recognized it.

Want more calculations? Here we go...

If Iran needs 2 years to enrich half of the necessary amount of Uranium to build a nuclear bomb to 20%, how long do they need to enrich twice the amount to 90%?

Ehud Barack says 6 months. Now I don't know what school or university he went to, but he is clearly embarrassing his teachers and professors, some of them might twist and turn in their graves. MSM and yourself applaud to that nonsense.

Please excuse me now, your BS, lies and propaganda don't work, neither on me nor anybody else. You were proven wrong a million times in this thread, and even though I have to admit, that you prepared this thread well, it blatantly proves that you are a SHILL and totally wrong with everything you have said so far!



P.S.: If Israels nuclear programme is peaceful thy can sign the NPT. They rejected that more than once, therefore it is not peaceful. Apart from that they threatened other countries numerous times with death and destruction.

remember that israeli pre-emptive strike in Syria to destroy their "Bomb attempt"?

Mohamed ElBaradei, the director-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, the United Nations group responsible for monitoring compliance with the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, said, “Our experts who have carefully analyzed the satellite imagery say it is unlikely that this building was a nuclear facility.”

www.newyorker.com...

oh yeah, that it was a Nuclear weapons facility: NOT!

here we go again.

more NOT!


don't get me started on how Israel attacked the USS liberty...and lied...NUKES were headed for Cairo that time.
now that's NOTTY

People must realize something here...

If it were not for Israel the U.S. would not be the U.S. as we know it today and German would be the primary spoken language. Thus our(the U.S.) allegiance with Israel and as much trash as Iran is talking they know if they were to send ONE missile into Israel, that would incur the ire and wrath of the United States and Iran will be leveled.

Israel saved the US from germany

thats funny!

In 1944, with the end the war in sight, Irgun, now under the leadership of Menachem Begin , the future Prime Minister of Israel 1977-83, began to attack the British administration in Palestine, starting with bomb attacks on the immigration offices, tax offices and police stations. Because the war was not yet over these activities met with condemnation even from the Jewish Agency and Haganah, the main Jewish Defense Force, and the forerunner of the Israeli Army. This disapproval did not deter Irgun or the Stern Gang, and in 1944 the Stern gang murdered Lord Moyne the British Minister of state for the Middle East in Cairo, and started a series of bomb attacks on British installations.

In November and 1945 there were some serious Arab Jewish riots in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. These riots were put down by the 3rd Parachute Brigade part of the newly arrived 6th Airborne division. These riots lasted seven days resulting in some loss of life.

During December 1945, the focus of the Jewish attacks shifted to RAF airfields, police stations and armories. There was frequent exchanges of fire and some loss of life on both sides. The High commissioner, Lord Gort , left Palestine in November 1945 and was replaced by another British general Sir Allan Cunningham. Cunningham decided to mount a major blow against the IZL and on the 28 to June 1946, 17,000 British troops flooded into Jerusalem to carry out Operation Agatha. The Jewish Agency offices were raided, arms found and the agency shut down, with a large number of Jews suspected of terrorism being arrested. Jewish terrorists soon started planning the a reprisal for Operation Agatha and made plans for the bombing attack on the King David hotel.

The British response to the King David bombing was another 48 hour cordon and search, code named Operation Shark. This operation was mounted by the men and 6th Airborne division. The aim of Operation shark was to remove the few remaining hard core terrorists left on the scene. British and American press agencies were quick to take the opportunity to sell more newspapers but the result was to place the British Army in a bad light, as in Aden years later, propaganda pictures of British soldiers seemingly being brutal to women and children were splashed in the world newspapers.

www.britains-smallwars.com...
well whaddiah know? the former Prime ministers of Israel club! Bombing their good friends!

One alleged radiation hot spot on Manhattan's east side has the
potential for becoming a political hot spot: A strong radiation spike
from the area of the Israeli Embassy. Officials would not comment on why
they thought that particular area allegedly showed such a stunning peak
in radiation.

The aerial survey is designed to help local officials react more quickly
in the event of terrorists detonating a "dirty bomb" that releases
radioactive material into the air. With the survey, police may be able
to pinpoint the exact source of radiation by comparing new readings to
their pre-existing "radiation map" of the area.

cleveland.indymedia.org...


so what?
Israel doesn't get its way you gonna dirty bomb New York and blame Iran?
(Like using the MEK terrorist to pose as iranians and attack jews in India

The exposure of a possible Iranian bomb-making cell in Thailand, and the coordinated attacks against Israeli targets in India and Georgia, remind us of the truth behind Malcom X’s remark. It may be no accident that the attacks occurred only days after U.S. officials confirmed in an MSNBC report that Israel’s Mossad and the Iranian terrorist group Mujahedeen-e Khalq (MEK) have been collaborating on assassinating Iranian scientists and attacking military bases.

The attacks appear to represent tit-for-tat responses to a long-term covert war against Iran by Israel, along with logistical support offered by the U.S., including technical support for the development of the Stuxnet computer worm that targeted Iran’s nuclear facilities last year.

Even the method of attack in India mimics Israel-MEK assassinations in Iran, with a motorcyclist sticking a magnetic bomb to the car of an Israeli military attaché while his wife was stuck in traffic.

www.koreaherald.com...

Originally posted by ATSRFACISTS
Islam has always yerned to take over the gloab, and today it is the easy for them, with the help of Usful idiots, in the form of extreme left wing groups, financed by NGO's wich are mostly under the evil wings of the fourth reich George Soros.

Calling people iodiotes and marrrooons. Ha ha.

The peaceful Iranians and their even more peaceful civilian loving government, of-course they would not preach harm to another, Why should they,,, Their having some much fun arresting and torturing and executing their own people.

Amnesty: Executions in Iran Spiked Last Year

Washington, Feb. 28- Iran publically executed around four times as many people in 2011 as in 2010, a new Amnesty International report published Tuesday said.

Four times as many in 2011 than 2010,,,Staying busy.

The regime uses public hangings to intimidate the public and make of example of those it regards as seditious. At least three juvenile offenders were among those hanged, which is illegal under international law, the report said.

Hanging to intimidate,,, Heh,,,,and juveniles too. Yes, The Government of Peace.

There has been a wave of arrests in the run-up to parliamentary elections due to take place on March 2.

What about fair elections?

These arrests, Amnesty said, have targeted lawyers, students, journalists, political activists and their relatives, as well as religious and ethnic minorities, film-makers and people with international connections, particularly to media.

www.aljazeera.com...
www.theisraelproject.org...
What's this,,, Film Makers,,,,, People with International Connections?
Yea,,, Government of Iran,,, You Got Something To Hide or Maybe Your Afraid of Your Own Educated Peoples.
Why is That?
The government of Iran would only use a nuclear weapon to protect itself from aggression,,,Next you'll tell me Pigs Fly and There's Life on Uranus!

Originally posted by guohua

The government of Iran would only use a nuclear weapon to protect itself from aggression,,,Next you'll tell me Pigs Flew and There's Life on Uranus!

You are totally entitled to your opinion. It is still utter nonsense though, as the facts speak against your assumptions.

It is still utter nonsense though, as the facts speak against your assumptions.

reply to post by ALF88

Please state your Facts,,,,,, there can be No Facts about Iran and Nuclear Weapons,,, as of yet they don't have any, Correct?
But please let me read your source backing up your Facts.

Originally posted by maestromason
People must realize something here...

If it were not for Israel the U.S. would not be the U.S. as we know it today and German would be the primary spoken language. Thus our(the U.S.) allegiance with Israel and as much trash as Iran is talking they know if they were to send ONE missile into Israel, that would incur the ire and wrath of the United States and Iran will be leveled.

So Israel helped the US win WWII even though it wasn't a country yet? What are you talking about buddy?

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
You want me to provide to you evidence that Israel has nuclear weapons, before you'll admit that they do?

No thanks. The rest of the world, aside from you, already knows that Israel is a nuclear power. It's an established fact, one that even Israeli leaders admit to.

We know Israel has a peaceful civilian nuclear program. Israel has never stated they possess nuclear weapons, and as such we would need to verify before stating it difinitively, as you guys demand for Iran.

Thank you for proving my point though.. I always enjoy it when others make my argument for me.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
You want me to provide to you evidence that Israel has nuclear weapons, before you'll admit that they do?

No thanks. The rest of the world, aside from you, already knows that Israel is a nuclear power. It's an established fact, one that even Israeli leaders admit to.

We know Israel has a peaceful civilian nuclear program. Israel has never stated they possess nuclear weapons, and as such we would need to verify before stating it difinitively, as you guys demand for Iran.

Thank you for proving my point though.. I always enjoy it when others make my argument for me.

Yes its all peaceful even though that one guy blew the door wide open on the whole program. Pissed off the Israeli's so much they kidnapped him from another country and threw him in prison. Not to mention they were about to use them during the 6 day war. There is ALOT more evidence that Israel has nukes than Iran.

Originally posted by ALF88
Iran right now only uses 1/10th of the installed gas-centrifuges that it needs to enrich Uranium to 20%, and it is used for a small reactor near Tehran, which was actually supported and delivered by the USA while the Shah was still in power. Everything they produce there is to supply cancer patients with necessary isotopes.

With the rest of the centrifuges Iran enriches Uranium to 3,5% which they use to produce nuclear fuel elements for reactors.

The IAEA knows for a long time that Iran wants to raise the level of 20% enrichment Uranium by 1/3rd, the report from the 8th of November 2011 already states that. It is nothing new as MSM and other idiots are trying to tell the public. The production of 20% enriched Uranium started in 2010 in Natanz. Since the 14th of December 2011 they are also enriching Uranium in Fordow. In the last IAEA report it states that Iran up until February 2012 has produced 109,2 kg of 20% enriched Uranium, 94,5kg in Natanz and 13,8kg in Fordow and the MSM now claims that this is almost half the nuclear material, that they need to build a bomb.

20-% is the basline for Highly enriched and its also the min requirement in order to sustain a nuclear blast. Iran already enriches their uranium to 20%

Originally posted by ALF88
That is a senseless mindgame, because to achieve that, Iran would have to continue to enrich the Uranium to more than 90%. Iran doesn't want that, as they have always said, they never tried it, and they don't do it now. It is not even clear if Iran has the technical capabilities to do that. Apart from that cameras, instruments and IAEA inspectors would have easily recognized it.

Want more calculations? Here we go...

If Iran needs 2 years to enrich half of the necessary amount of Uranium to build a nuclear bomb to 20%, how long do they need to enrich twice the amount to 90%?
Iran already has enriched uranium at 20%. There excuse is its needed for the medical research. The problem with that answer is its over the required max (12%-19%). Ahmadenijad also claimed they have the ability to enrich up to 80%, with 85% being the baseline most countries use for a nuke.

Originally posted by ALF88
Ehud Barack says 6 months. Now I don't know what school or university he went to, but he is clearly embarrassing his teachers and professors, some of them might twist and turn in their graves. MSM and yourself applaud to that nonsense.

Actually his answer is based on Irans current program. The US has said the same thing, its all about the ability to make one. You guys keep ignoring the issue by trying to argue the problem is with something else.

Its ability -
Iran has increased it processed uranium output - Its based on the curren program in Iran, how long would it take them to put a bomb together. This is why the IAEA wanted to visit Parchin - It supposedly has an explosion chamber, which is something a civilian program doesn't require.

Even funnier is the Iranian government latest response to the IAEA and site inspections. Iran will agree to them (ignroing the fact they ae required to) provided the IAEA provides a list of site and specifics at which point Iran would "discuss" and come back with an answer sometime later.

Originally posted by ALF88
Please excuse me now, your BS, lies and propaganda don't work, neither on me nor anybody else. You were proven wrong a million times in this thread, and even though I have to admit, that you prepared this thread well, it blatantly proves that you are a SHILL and totally wrong with everything you have said so far!

You guys really need to quit using each others talking points... As far as the thread goes you, nor any of the other Iranian cheerleaders, have not even bothered to address the topic. Instead you guys go after Israel and drive the conversation into areas that are rediculous.

No sources from you or them refuting the info I posted - I guess by using Arab / Iranian media was unfailr since you guys can't claim the western propoganda... Oh wait... You already did that, with no proof.

Originally posted by ALF88
P.S.: If Israels nuclear programme is peaceful thy can sign the NPT. They rejected that more than once, therefore it is not peaceful. Apart from that they threatened other countries numerous times with death and destruction.

edit on 28-2-2012 by ALF88 because: (no reason given)

As has been stated, Israel, like Iran, is a sovereign nation. The NPT is an optional treaty and no country is required to be a part of it.

If Irans program is that peaceful then they can honor their NPT / IAEA obligations.

Originally posted by Danbones
oh yeah, that it was a Nuclear weapons facility: NOT!

here we go again.

more NOT!

I've always wondered what the instalation was.. I tend to lean towards it being a nuke site fr the sole reason being Syrias response. We have always heard Syria state Israel would be attacked if Syrian territory is violated. Yet in that instance the Syrian government was silent - no diplomatic protests to the UN, no Syrian argument being taken to the media, no retailitory attacks on Israel / move on the Golan.

Originally posted by mayabong
Yes its all peaceful even though that one guy blew the door wide open on the whole program. Pissed off the Israeli's so much they kidnapped him from another country and threw him in prison. Not to mention they were about to use them during the 6 day war. There is ALOT more evidence that Israel has nukes than Iran.

And the same evidence and argument can and is being made against Iran. All Iran has to do is withdraw from the NPT, which would free them up to overtly develop nuclear weapons, jsut as North Korea is doing.

Demanding Israel be forced to comply with a treaty they are not part of while Iran is violating the same treaty is funny.

You guys need to stop being jealous of Israel, grow some stones, withdraw from the NPT and develop a nuke.

reply to post by ALF88

P.S.: If Israels nuclear programme is peaceful thy can sign the NPT. They rejected that more than once, therefore it is not peaceful. Apart from that they threatened other countries numerous times with death and destruction.

There are other countries that have nuclear weapons and they have not signed either.

Three states—India, Israel, and Pakistan—never joined the NPT and are known to possess nuclear weapons. Claiming its nuclear program was for peaceful purposes

www.armscontrol.org...

Has far as your statement:

Apart from that they threatened other countries numerous times with death and destruction.

Please, Lets see a Source,,, Show Me When and To Whom Israel Threatened death and Destruction with Nuclear Weapons.

Oh and By The Way, tribaltrip,,,,, You Noticed I Capitalize Every Other Word?

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
You want me to provide to you evidence that Israel has nuclear weapons, before you'll admit that they do?

No thanks. The rest of the world, aside from you, already knows that Israel is a nuclear power. It's an established fact, one that even Israeli leaders admit to.

We know Israel has a peaceful civilian nuclear program. Israel has never stated they possess nuclear weapons, and as such we would need to verify before stating it difinitively, as you guys demand for Iran.

Thank you for proving my point though.. I always enjoy it when others make my argument for me.

Ah, yet another pathetic straw man argument.

Everybody knows that Israel has nuclear weapons. The reason why they don't sign up to nuclear treaties is not because they don't have this capacity- it is because they don't want to be officially recognized as such, nor do they want to be regulated by international law and moral obligations.

The fact that you are now saying that we can't prove that Israel has nuclear weapons because they don't officially claim to have them, as somehow being relevant to Iran having to prove that they don't have nuclear weapons despite being signatory to the NNPT, is pure ignorance.

But fear not, for I have a present for you: the gift of knowledge.

Guest post: Using religion to restrain Iran's nuclear program

Here is an article from a source that is hundreds of times more credible than any of the mainstream, or christian fundamentalist, crap that I have seen you and others post on ATS. It explains, quite to the contrary of your severely irrational train of thought, that Iran has no interest in developing or using nuclear weapons because it happens to be against their religion. Wow, what a twist! Could you imagine such a thing? Probably not, when you pollute your mind with jingoist garbage about how evil and threatening Iran is.

reply to post by Xcathdra


It's all b.s. and it's obvious. As I said before, even if what you are saying are actual direct, in context quotes from Iran it doesn't mean anything. They can't and therefore aren't going to try to attack Israel. It would be suicidal, and believe all the hype that you want, Iran is not suicidal.

Here maybe you can comprehend this. Newt Gingrich told Floridians he was going to take them to the moon and have a moon base in 4 years. That is absolute bull#, we all know it, but it's what Floridians and space focused Americans wanted to hear. So what do some Muslims want to hear? That one day Israel will be gone, that their arch enemy will be gone. It's posturing and it's b.s. Only a fool would believe this garbage and perpetuate it as you are.

I mean, yeah I guess saying they said a bad thing is reason enough for first grader's to fight, but it's not reason to go to war. The US has plans to invade almost all countries in the world, is that not more of a provocation?

The fact is Iran will not be a threat for at least ten years. As for now, between Iran and Israel, action speaks louder than words. I understand that maybe a cops fantasy might be being able to condemn everyone based on their words and circumstantial evidence, but that isn't the way we are supposed to do things.

reply to post by bladerunner44

This is just stupid there were no foul words or inflamitory statements in this post. The mods are turning this site into a joke. It's really not worth posting opinions or responses ES&D