Muslims: I'm becoming very tired of your violence

Originally posted by Azadok
You see it only takes a few good people to remain silent for tyranny to survive. The fact the peaceful Muslims do not take a strong stance against senseless acts of violence tends to cause people to stereotype and group individuals together.

You could replace German for Muslim and it'd make sense in 1939.

Yet we had to bomb Germany back into the stone age before they surrendered.

Something we're NOT doing in the Middle East.

Someone start the counter thread please!

Christians: I'm becoming very tired of your violence

In the last 24 hours i've read at least 4 news articles about warmongering Christians causing casualties to civilians and writing it off as collateral damage...


See where this goes?

Its the Christians who are killing ppl in Middle East, the U.S army. One good example is Iran. Iran doesn't have attacked any country during its independence, but how many times U.S has attacked? There was long war between Iran and Irak, but Irak was one who attacked, Iran was defending side.

And during Crusades Christians killed thousands of people in Middle East, raped their women and children.

And I'm Christian, not Muslim.

I am with you on this. I have members of my direct family who were born in different nations and hold different religious beliefs than I do. None of them would even dream of committing violent acts or persecuting someone simply because of their religious beliefs. We all feel that faith is of a personal nature, not something to be imposed by a powerful government or powerful religious body. It's completely unthinkable. So, why is the Islamic 'faith' so hellbent on subjugating others and so distinctly violent, even towards those who live within its reach? Can anyone here actually see yourself killing a daughter, sister, or other female member of your family simply because she wants to date someone outside of the 'faith' or because she dresses her way or participates in sports or dance?

Islam is NOT a religion. It is political power that imposes the worst of humanity upon those in society who are least able to defend themselves. Yes, the world would be a much, much better place if it were eradicated.

Originally posted by Evil_Santa
Someone start the counter thread please!

Christians: I'm becoming very tired of your violence

In the last 24 hours i've read at least 4 news articles about warmongering Christians causing casualties to civilians and writing it off as collateral damage...


See where this goes?

This is so, well, you know, anyway... Christians aren't killing people all over the world like the islamists are. Christians don't do that. read their Book called the New Testament. I am a Christian, and I read the Quran to understand the mindset of these people. The book is all violence and hate and death to anyone not just like them. The goal is world domination and to own you body and soul.

reply to post by Thebel


You are one of the uneducated fools who believes everything on the news. Wake up and do some of your research. Can you name one nation that was conquerored by an Islamic army with the stated intent to liberate that nation where they simply left and went away after the liberation? No? Then explain the actions of the US in removing its combat forces from Irag?

The US Army is the most honorable institution on Earth, and has been for centuries. Go back and read your history. The US is by no means an Imperial power. We go, we fight, we set up a functioning government run by the people we liberate and we go home. Sure, we may make money from the effort through trade down the line, but isn't that to the benefit of all parties involved? Otherwise, wouldn't the Saudis and many other peoples be as dirt poor nomads like they were a short 100 years ago?

Originally posted by Evil_Santa
Someone start the counter thread please!

Christians: I'm becoming very tired of your violence

In the last 24 hours i've read at least 4 news articles about warmongering Christians causing casualties to civilians and writing it off as collateral damage...


See where this goes?

Yes. Lines drawn in the sand. Opposing sides. Lets!

Let's stop this PC feel-good nonsense and call it what it is.

It's a war.

A war against a theology that is also a political ideology.

They hold no quarter.

Neither should we.

Why don't you burn the Bible and see how those southern American folk treat you?

Religion is nothing to mess around with.

Also, are you seriously taking a couple hundred Islamic people and judging an entire nation/faith based on them?

I'm rooting for the Islamics. They stand up for what they believe in, unlike the rest of these sheeple kowtowing in America.

reply to post by jamsession


Yes I must apologise - my name may lead many to believe that I'm some kind of new Christian crusader - a crusade can be many things
So please be so kind as too look past that
But as for neojihadist lol
Meh just another name
But I would be inclined to ask, if indeed his name was meant in a literal sense what his new jihad was encompassing
A crusade is 1 thing - a jihad is something else
From google
Crusade:
Lead or take part in a campaign concerning a social, political, or religious issue.

jihad:
(among Muslims) A war or struggle against unbelievers.

Please do not assume I'm in anyway a RELIGIOUS PERSON spiritual yes religious no
I have been to many MANY Islamic nations, spoken to the people, studied the Koran, met with many imams and preachers and have NOTHING against Muslims many I consider very close friends but even they say Islam hasn't evolved
But some Islamic teachings and ideology is a different matter

reply to post by petrus4

I've seen news reports of at least four difference incidents of Islamic violence over the last 24 hours.

Stop watching the news. Go outside and do something active. Take a walk, get some fresh air. If you watch too much TV (or surf too much internet) you will inevitably suffer the mental and psychological side effects : lethargy (you said you were tired) and confusion.

Or you could continue to drown yourself in bad news. It's your choice.

Originally posted by Evil_Santa
Someone start the counter thread please!

Christians: I'm becoming very tired of your violence

In the last 24 hours i've read at least 4 news articles about warmongering Christians causing casualties to civilians and writing it off as collateral damage...


See where this goes?

Divide et impera.
There are clearly masters of this dark art.
It is obviously working.

Section 7 of the Hamas Covenant explains that it is not a local movement, nor even a national movement. The heading is “The global nature of the Islamic resistance movement.” And later, “Because the Muslims are spread throughout the entire world, the movement is global.” To remove any doubt, Dr. Yunis Al Astal, a member of the Palestinian parliament, one of the senior Hamas officials, who served as dean of the faculty are of Shariyah and chairman of the Islamic Law Department at Islamic University, stated that "We Will Conquer Rome, and from There Continue to Conquer the Two Americas and Eastern Europe.

Hezbollas flag dosn't have the an AK-47 drawn over the world for no reason...
Yes...they yern to an Islamic world by the ancient Islamic taktic of "Thakia" wich means using lies or embeding yourself inside your enemy...and mostly with violence. another fact is that Since 1948, almost 10 million Muslims have died at the hands of fellow Muslims. Yes, it is a violent culture wich unfortunetly the extremists set the tone.

rslissak.com...

. How exactly is the Muslim violence in other countries affecting you?

How about you simply leave those countries alone, and let them mind their own business. We need to stop thinking we are the world police, and we can force our believes on everyone.

We don't have to deal with those countries, but we have no right to do anything to them.

The only way to decrease violence in a culture is to allow for it to flourish so cultural acceptance, education and love of knowledge enters every part of that culture and balances the stupidity caused by lack of knowledge and understanding.

The average Joe in the Western street doesn't know that a lot of Muslim academicians are studying why Islamic culture has gone down hill in the Middle East the way it has after the Golden Age. Its a historical fact that culture flourished so much that people were developing polymaths in their spare time. Scientists weren't just scientists in one field, they produced and researched in at least 4-5 fields, spoke at least 2-3 languages fluently. A very prominent Turkish author had suggested hat this fall in culture could be attributed to the lack of emphasis on science and education in Mosques along side religion, over time. Because this was the norm during the Golden Ages, people were taught to go out there and learn about the natural world and other cultures and languages. But along the way, they started taking it for granted I suppose, so they stopped emphasizing its importance in the Mosques (where the most number of average Joe's would collect and listen to learned men). And when you emphasize religion alone you're leaving a huge gap in the minds of people who need to learn and understand the natural world in order to live with others and flourish. Islam itself emphasizes education like its nobody's business. If it was a threat and a danger to the world, why would the man who taught it to us, a man who could not even read or write 1500 years ago in the deserts of Arabia, say things like:

"To acquire knowledge is binding upon all Muslims, whether male or female.

The ink of the scholar is more holy than the blood of the martyr.

He who travels in the search of knowledge, to him God shows the way of Paradise."

He was way ahead of his time and the religion that people found within the deep dark trenches of bedouin ignorance lit their way into the Golden Ages.

Islam is not a religion that says morals stem from itself. The concept of 'fitrah' stops us from thinking that because we are told that God has given humans an innate sense of wrong and right (call it reasoning if you will) and this is true for everyone regardless of what kind of culture or family they live in. A properly educated Muslim would never claim that an atheist has no sense of wrong or right for example, or that one needs to be Muslim to have morals or some such.

So what do we do? Yes, the West is faced with dealing with a lot of third world countries in the Middle East who don't value human life the way they do. But the ME is not the only place that this is rampant. People in South America are no different. People in China are no different. People in the Philippines go out in the streets and bleed themselves on behalf of Jesus Christ on Good Friday. What you think lack of cultural education and common sense was a Muslim thing? You're sorely mistaken. What about African countries who kill and eat each other do death every day regardless of their religion? What should we do about them?

The same thing: educate, educate and educate.

reply to post by petrus4


Wow this is wild.

I think the question also needs to be asked at this point; do you really believe in your ownership of this entire planet? Is literally the entire human race supposed to be held subject to your law?

How can a westerner say this at all? Were in every country on the planet and were talking about who thinks they run the world and who really inflicts ideologies on people?

Hasent "democracy" been imposed in over 4 countries this year alone.

Im not going to totally pick apart the post because you have every right to think and express what you want, but let me tell you Islam is not the problem, Imperialism, fascism, and the enslavement of common man is the problem,

If you want to beat the elite we need the billion faithful Muslims to help.

reply to post by nusnus


First of all, a fact is that allot of Muslim academics with a good financial background, became suicide bombers...another fact is that in wealthy Islamic countries the violence and intolerance towards minorities and themselves isn't different then the more poor ones.

Its the western world hibris, and lack of ability to understand, that cultures are different, and the fact that you as western think in a certain way, will make all other humans become or think the same as you do, with equal opportunities...hubris, but not reality.
in reality, it seems like the different cultures of this world don't even come from the same planet.

The west will keep on crying for human rights, which the majority of the world doesn't give a # about, and will continue to weaken itself with morals non other apply to themselves, and will get a cultural war in the end, whether it wants it or not

reply to post by purplemer


I think a better caption on this picture would be western soldiers...'not all Koran burners / murderers / infidels (insert as appropriate). I just think we always get short changed on these images

Still I agree with the OP, probably more so based on the military graveyard desecrations in Libya over the last few days.

It's time for Arab boys to do their own house cleaning in my opinion

Originally posted by gadaffy
reply to post by petrus4

 

Wow this is wild.

I think the question also needs to be asked at this point; do you really believe in your ownership of this entire planet? Is literally the entire human race supposed to be held subject to your law?

How can a westerner say this at all? Were in every country on the planet and were talking about who thinks they run the world and who really inflicts ideologies on people?

Hasent "democracy" been imposed in over 4 countries this year alone.

Im not going to totally pick apart the post because you have every right to think and express what you want, but let me tell you Islam is not the problem, Imperialism, fascism, and the enslavement of common man is the problem,

If you want to beat the elite we need the billion faithful Muslims to help.

Yea I was actually going to point that out but you beat me to it. There are political academicians who currently refer to the USA as the Empire of the USA. Because they have bases in almost every country out there and it is an Empire in every sense of the word. So who's taking over the world?

It is true that Europeans are afraid they might go extinct in the face of all the third world immigrants they have in their countries, why don't they start making babies ASAP if they're so afraid?

I see, as I often do many post stating ban religion, bring peace...I believe that is a great idea, but first:

First the United States must cease its unilateral war on whomever it deems necessary.

Second all countries must give more power and support to the United Nations, make the rule of law a right for all earth citizens.

Third, remove religious powers and thier direct influence in all governemts.
Liquidate the assets of all organized religions: mosques, temples, and churchs. The UN should take and then sell all the synagogues the vatican city and all its global assets. Sell the churchs sell the monastaries, sell the mosques, sell the temples.

Collect all these assets and use them soley for the purpose of rounding up all who would commit violence against any other in the name of any religion.

Then imagine
all the people
living their life in peace

YAY NWO!
No stinking orange robes and symbols at the airport, no Jehovah's at your door. No jihadists no zionists...wouldn't that be grand!

(as a note, I recognize mankinds need for spirituality, however, it is obvious that major religions have used this to our demize)

"It is true that Europeans are afraid they might go extinct in the face of all the third world immigrants they have in their countries, why don't they start making babies ASAP if they're so afraid?"


Maybe because too much of that money goes to social services wellfare and Unemployment of third country Imigrants instead of on their own babys.