Men (Masculinity) Dangerous to Society?

reply to post by andersensrm




THANK YOU.

Exactly what I mean.

you are appreciated.

reply to post by femalepharoe


There is a valid point to be made for sure. Getting rid of men is not a viable solution but finding out why men (statistically) are the catalyst for most of the violence and horrors of the world should be.

I think the answers are self evident but it's a sticky subject for respected researchers to approach in a socially sensitive manner.

In a hundred years from now? Maybe we'll be a more androgynous species with virtually zero violent tendencies. Who knows? I have no idea which one I'll be at that point anyway.

Originally posted by andersensrm
reply to post by Starchild23

 

I think she has a point here. Its not about sexism, but it would be good to note how many people are willing to jump straight to that to disprove, or humilate the OP. There's the masculinity mentality, which is what I think she is talking about here. Most of us men, don't let our feelings out, we hold it in, and we do what I refer to as "playing the game". That is we let our emotions, self-centeredness, and probably most importantly our "man's reputation" direct our actions, which leads to the startling statistics the OP posted. I don't think the OP is going out saying all the problems of the world are attributed to men, and anyone who goes straight for that, I think is the real sexist. This is something we should address as intelligent sentient beings. These behaviours are primitive, and are there for a reason, however most of those reasons are dissapating as we get more and more intelligent and complicated.

A valid point. However, she went the wrong way about it. She tried to completely tear down masculinity...there is divinity in duality, remember. That's why there are always opposites.

As a male, I can state that a lot of the men I know do not disrespect or degrade women except in fun...and they are quite willing to take a plateful of it when it comes around to them.

I will not treat women as china dolls. I refuse to. I treat women just as I would any man, because I am not sexist. Also, those same primitive behaviors are linked (it gets old, repeating this, but no one listens) to our instincts.

The need to reproduce, the need to dominate a space, and the need to establish resources.

Believe it or not, the feminine aspect used to be religiously coveted and worshiped...those days have been gone since the Church was established, but I repeat: duality is divine.

Both man and woman is needed...but it won't work if they constantly vie for the upper hand. This is how wars happen.

Pharoe, I will grant you your research. But I will also assert that media is the culprit. Media encourages the boys to...well, be boys. And girls to be girls. It emphasizes this by coaxing boys into violence through football and gorey videogames, and the girls are stuck with makeup and barbie dolls.

I love a tomboys and gay people, because then it's evenly spread. The gender role went out the window with girls bobbing their hair and guys kissing other guys. I love it. It means that the duality is no longer battling...it has the opportunity to find balance. Unfortunately, society still fights this.

I can only hope balance wins over division of the sexes.

reply to post by Starchild23


do not disrespect or degrade women?

you called me "little miss princess".

The thread states , masculinity cultivation - SPECIFICALLY.

I then detail violent acts of men, which you chose to ignore and instead (attempt) to attack me.


I approached it just as I should have, and the people who got it - got it. Why are you defending pedos , rapists, and violence??

IS that that what "masculinity" means to you??

reply to post by Cuervo


Its not about getting rid of men, rather men getting rid of their primitive tendencies to be the alpha male, and all that goes along, such as dominence, reputation, etc. etc. Not all men are the same, and this is not to say that all men act this way. Just MOST do, which is anything over half. That includes the world population, where there are less or no social responsibilities to uphold. Think for a second, and get past the whole sexist thing, I see no sexism, other than sexism being directed towards a woman, who can't talk about men. I remember, especially in high school, doing things with my friends, that would ashame me, but I didn't step up because I wanted to be a part of the group, to fit in, to be a man. I wonder how many of my friends were in the same position.

Originally posted by femalepharoe
reply to post by Starchild23

 

do not disrespect or degrade women?

you called me "little miss princess".

The thread states , masculinity cultivation - SPECIFICALLY.

I then detail violent acts of men, which you chose to ignore and instead (attempt) to attack me.


I approached it just as I should have, and the people who got it - got it. Why are you defending pedos , rapists, and violence??

IS that that what "masculinity" means to you??

Did I say any of those things were good? Did I call you out by name? No. I spoke to all of women in general...every woman I have read about, seen on tv, or known in person.

Masculinity is strength. Femininity is emotion. Physical and nonphysical. Two sides of the same coin. Duality. Divinity.

This is what these words mean to me. I look at man and woman in love, and I see god. Is that wrong?

Also, I would encourage you to reread my above post. I modified it to include some concepts I left out...erroneously.

reply to post by Starchild23


Right, but I think we've come to the point where we don't have to listen to our instincts anymore. They aren't right all the time, and we've been given these fabulous brains to think about what we are doing, and how we can improve the world. I'm not denying sexism exists, it exists on the female side, as well as the male side, we are all human, and we all discriminate, and we all try to improve ourselves, even if that means opressing others. So maybe she didn't articulate herself in the best way, the point is to move past that, and analyze the concept she is presenting here.

reply to post by femalepharoe

Originally posted by femalepharoe
Just a thought posted on a supposed discussion board of free thinkers specifically in the philosophy forum.

Indeed. If you were posting on a discussion board of 'free-thinkers', it would be intriguing to many. And it is. To me. I love your post. I think it's a problem our society needs to take a look at if we are to survive as a species.

One can't look at the numbers and not see that there must be something different, not just in nature, but in nurture, that's causing us to produce violent and disturbed men. No one is BLAMING men for it. Any more than women, anyway. We are both responsible for what is happening. Women do most of the child rearing... Is that where the problem is? Maybe... Men make most of the movies and video games. Is that a factor? Perhaps. There could be several contributing factors.

But we'll never know what the issue is if we cannot discuss it even for 10 seconds without it being about blame. My husband has a very interesting theory about this....

Masculinity is strength. Femininity is emotion.

This is the precipice of the problem the OP is trying to address. Strength and emotion aren't limited to male and female, but to humans. We all have emotion, we all have strength. It gets dangerous, when emotions are thought of as feminine, and therefore weak, and strength is though of as manly, and therefore implies women are weak.

Originally posted by andersensrm
reply to post by Cuervo

 

Its not about getting rid of men, rather men getting rid of their primitive tendencies to be the alpha male, and all that goes along, such as dominence, reputation, etc. etc. Not all men are the same, and this is not to say that all men act this way. Just MOST do, which is anything over half. That includes the world population, where there are less or no social responsibilities to uphold. Think for a second, and get past the whole sexist thing, I see no sexism, other than sexism being directed towards a woman, who can't talk about men. I remember, especially in high school, doing things with my friends, that would ashame me, but I didn't step up because I wanted to be a part of the group, to fit in, to be a man. I wonder how many of my friends were in the same position.

I agree with this. But again, in the interest of equality and balance, I would encourage women to abandon their "china doll" role, which is still seen in southern United States, in China, and in India, not to mention many other places in the world.

These places will not speak certain ways around women, will not respect women, and will generally prefer women be silent and bear children and do house work.

And then we have the women's rights, and women in the north are suddenly just as prominent as men. Sweet. But here's the catch: they still want to be treated special. They want to be spoiled, but have the same rights.

This is my issue. No woman should be spoiled for the pure sake of her anatomy, just as no man is spoiled due to his own. Yet women act as though they should be special. I have seen men drink themselves to the pits because the woman at home isn't happy, and makes it VEEERRYYY clear, much more so that just simply stating it.

Women are creatures of emotion. Wild emotion burns all who encounter it, even if the one with the emotion does not realize it. Maybe if they tempered that emotion a little...

This is all I am saying. Do with it what you will.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


I agree. It always comes down to blame, rather than, just dropping it and trying to analyze and hopefully address the problem.

Originally posted by andersensrm
reply to post by Starchild23

 

Right, but I think we've come to the point where we don't have to listen to our instincts anymore. They aren't right all the time, and we've been given these fabulous brains to think about what we are doing, and how we can improve the world. I'm not denying sexism exists, it exists on the female side, as well as the male side, we are all human, and we all discriminate, and we all try to improve ourselves, even if that means opressing others. So maybe she didn't articulate herself in the best way, the point is to move past that, and analyze the concept she is presenting here.

EXACTLY what I am saying! Thank you good sir!

But here's the problem: how do you update a computer? Remove the motherboard and install the new one. So how do you remove instincts that are hardwired into the brain?

You can't. Evolution does this, and evolution only. Chemicals will do it temporarily, but it is very difficult and not long lasting.

Evolution is our salvation.

And I repeat: man and woman represents the two side of the mind, the soul. Strength, and passion. Physical, nonphysical. Two side of the same coin. Duality. Divinity. God.

Do you see my point?

reply to post by Starchild23


I agree, but this isn't a thread about what women are doing to abuse the systems of soceity.

reply to post by Starchild23


star child, perhaps in your dualism view you have confused yourself.

In your posts you repeatedly detail you will not treat women like "dolls" whatever that means , and treat them equally... 0_o

Yet when a woman presents an idea to you, that you don't like - specifically based from statics and depraved acts, you not only insult and attack her -but are much more gentile to the men you are responding to.

So much so , you have started soley responding to them with me as a third person...

pot meet kettle. kettle - pot?

Masculinity cultivation anyone?

Originally posted by femalepharoe
reply to post by Starchild23

 

sexism , like racism, is a social construct based on priveleage and power.

At present, women make 75 cents to the dollar in comparison to men. Class wise, women have no social power over men - and thus can not be sexist.

And you typed this with a strait face?


The problem with too many people is they often use statistics yet to dont research into them to see how reliable they are. When you do you often find that they are both inaccurate and bias yet people resort to using them and acting like they came down from the mountains with stone tablets from god


Op go acquaint yourself with some of the feminist works of Christina Hoff Sommers. Your views are a bit distorted from reality.

reply to post by Cuervo

Originally posted by Cuervo
I think the answers are self evident but it's a sticky subject for respected researchers to approach in a socially sensitive manner.

That sounds so very interesting, though! I want hear what you think.

Originally posted by paganini

Originally posted by femalepharoe
reply to post by Starchild23

 

sexism , like racism, is a social construct based on priveleage and power.

At present, women make 75 cents to the dollar in comparison to men. Class wise, women have no social power over men - and thus can not be sexist.

And you typed this with a strait face?

The problem with too many people is they often use statistics yet to dont research into them to see how reliable they are. When you do you often find that they are both inaccurate and bias yet people resort to using them and acting like they came down from the mountains with stone tablets from god

Op go acquaint yourself with some of the feminist works of Christina Hoff Sommers. Your views are a bit distorted from reality.

this was actually a thought from Dr. Beverly Tatum.

I used statistics because if I just used common sense the viewers, such as yourself, would cry

"where are the FACTS??"


research, I think it's common knowledge that the prisons are overwhelmingly filled with men. I don't need to visit rikers to take a head count.
in any regard, if your interested you should check out tatum's books.

reply to post by femalepharoe


Many places in the west have become feminist saudi arabia by now ... and that is to at reat deal the reason for our troubles.

Masculine values that are ignored or frowned upon :

Rational thinking
Consequence
Discipline
Economic responsibility

Feminine values that are popular :

Status before substance
Consumerism
Excusing anything
Political correctness

Society is unbalanced in feminine direction and we are reaping the 'benefits'

Uncontrollable youths ... that never saw a man using force in a balanced way
People in power are actors and other irrational beings
Debt crisis came from feeeling things were ok instead of calculating things and finding them unhealthy
Stock market works on hunches,feelings, and trust instead of values like price/earnings, assets and bottom line.

And no masculinity is not dangerous ... it is missing, and that has grave consequences.

Your headline is the red spot in chickhen pocks

reply to post by pilot70


Wait... How is it that men control the government, the money, the businesses, the world... and yet when we talk about how men behave in society, the reason is that they are somehow the victim of "feminine values" and the "unbalance of feminine energy"?

How does this make any sense?

reply to post by pilot70


I like how we divide Human qualities and traits into the masculine kind, and the feminine kind. This is exactly the point of the post to show how we divide these HUMAN qualities up, and is why most men seem to be lacking becuase they don't want to be feminine, when in reality they're human.