John Kerry's 1971 Testimony That The" Swifties" Twisted ?

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

These are communist collaborators justifying their own actions. You call this unbiased reporting? Nanna, you find what supports your view and go with it. That's not research.

Grady, ummmmm, funny how you can come up with all kinds of excuses for any and all links I give,....... but you can only show links that are based by Republicans and media owned Republicans,......... no bi-pa , just Republican.
I on the other hand, have given links to sites, not knowing if these people are or are not Bi-pa, Democrat, Independ, or Republican. I at least do research the internet,....... you and your friend there on the other hand, are lazy in your research,....... you just go to anything Republican.

dgtempe...

Bush is going to win. I didnt vote for him the first time, so dont call me a Bush Lover...
But he will win.
Kerry was a bad choice for a candidate and he wont win...
Sorry...
As for your quote at the bottom of your posting...We americans should always be thinking of ways they can hurt us...Bush's comment makes perfect sense. We should be thinking of all of the ways they may come at us. Never would have thought they would fly jumbo jets into the towers...NOW We know.
In order to defeat terrorists, we need to start thinking like them. By having that QUOTE on your messages, sends a clear message about your partisan politics. But this is about who will defend us better. Its not Kerry...I'm surprised he hasnt started a ANTI IRAQ WAR RALLY already, its in his blood. When push comes to shove, we need to be united. Bush is doing what Clinton should have done when our embassy's were bombed, the U.S.S Cole, etc. Time to strap on the boots and kick some butt.
There comes a time to make a stand, this is that time. This isnt about IRAQ...you political junkies forget...they flew 3 planes into american buildings with american citizens in them...and WHY? No reason, BUSH hadnt done a thing to them up to that point. Get your head out of your behind and pick sides....THEM OR US.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
You find what supports your view and go with it. That's not research.

I'm going to save this one for you, Grady. In case you decide to present us with some of your own "research" again...

I'm truly curious if you think all the folks who testified about atrocities they committed in Vietnam were lying. Are you saying that ALL U.S. personnel (there are literally thousands of them) who have talked or testified publicly about these atrocities are LYING? If so, what does that say about your fellow marines? How on earth can we trust YOU?

Originally posted by oppodeldoc


I'm truly curious if you think all the folks who testified about atrocities they committed in Vietnam were lying. Are you saying that ALL U.S. personnel (there are literally thousands of them) who have talked or testified publicly about these atrocities are LYING? If so, what does that say about your fellow marines? How on earth can we trust YOU?

You know I wonder about that too, if some people here are so sure that Kerry is a lier how come I have not seen anybody making more nasty coments on kerry than the usual ones.

Originally posted by marg6043

Originally posted by oppodeldoc


I'm truly curious if you think all the folks who testified about atrocities they committed in Vietnam were lying. Are you saying that ALL U.S. personnel (there are literally thousands of them) who have talked or testified publicly about these atrocities are LYING? If so, what does that say about your fellow marines? How on earth can we trust YOU?

My husband was a Marine in Viet Nam and HE once in awhile tells me of some of the atrocities, and its all TRUE. He cries like a baby when he thinks of what they did. This is coming from a tough boiled owl marine that he is. This is all the proof I need

You know I wonder about that too, if some people here are so sure that Kerry is a lier how come I have not seen anybody making more nasty coments on kerry than the usual ones.

Originally posted by dgtempe

You know I wonder about that too, if some people here are so sure that Kerry is a lier how come I have not seen anybody making more nasty coments on kerry than the usual ones.

Funny you should say that, I have my own ideas as to the "usual ones" and their affiliation ,
1) Republican, or
2) swift boat verterans for truth , thats a laugh, or
3)part of the veterans that testified in Detroit

Take your pick

Nanna how about all of the above.

Originally posted by azheat
dgtempe...

Bush is going to win. I didnt vote for him the first time, so dont call me a Bush Lover...
But he will win.
Bush is doing what Clinton should have done when our embassy's were bombed, the U.S.S Cole, etc. Time to strap on the boots and kick some butt.
There comes a time to make a stand, this is that time. This isnt about IRAQ...you political junkies forget...they flew 3 planes into american buildings with american citizens in them...and WHY? No reason, BUSH hadnt done a thing to them up to that point. Get your head out of your behind and pick sides....THEM OR US.

I agree that Bush is going to win. Im not arguing that point. He will win because this country is full of dumb neo nazis and that's is very obvious now. With the pretext of christianity, and the pretext of protecting Americans Bush will surely win. He knows his audience well.- Hitler was also a Hero at first, protecting his citizens from all the "terror" alerts, guiding them into freedom....Only lo and behold, it didnt quite turn out very well for those people, did it?
The similarities are eerie and though Hitler was a much smarter man than Bush, Bush is merely the puppet, and the powers that be are pulling his strings, and you'll see your president create more chaos than you have ever dreamed of in your life.....Yes, Bush is going to win. As far as 911, ummm, I have about 500 links, but what for? Its useless...You think whatever you want.
As far as my signature, this was one of Bush's intelligent remarks

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction
Nice job of editing your first post there, nana....but everybody who trashed you for posting what you did the FIRST time, that is, before you CHANGED IT to read what it does NOW, knows what ws there, and it's not what is there now...to quote what is on the bottom of the page now.

,Affirmitive Reaction, if you THINK my first post has been changed, ..... please do tell what was in my first post before I supposively changed it ?

Unfortunately, you can't get rid of those "edited" tags, which are a tell tale sign

Why would I want to , as you put it "get rid of those [edited tags] ? I have no reason what-so-ever , to want to "get rid" of those tags .

I have already explained to Rant and seekerof , what, how, why, I do things when I u2u them about your post.

I guess I'll explain it to you, even though I really do not have to , but first I will tell you this,........... I do not know a whole hellof a lot about computers, I never took computer class in school ( they didn't have them as a class), nor did I take a computer course when I was in college. Up until a year ago, the only thing I EVER used a computer for was for emailing and playing cards in yahoo,........... that was it . Last year a couple friends of mine showed me how to "copy & paste", that is the extent of my knowledge of computers, and there is NO SHAME in that .

With that said, I will explain the "edits" . When I start a thread, I will,....
1) list the title heading
2) write what I think
3) then post the thread.

Then
1) Go back into the thread
2) hit edit
3) post the Url (site)
4) hit post

last
1) Go back to the thread
2) hit edit
3) post a paragraph from the "site"
4) hit post

unless of course, I had a short cut on my screen to the "site" and I would have that screen up along with the screen that I'm posting a thread, but sometimes this doesn't work.

oh, by the way,....... I just learned how to do a "short cut".

I'm not ashamed of the fact that I do not know a computer as well as some, but that has not stopped me from learning.

Originally posted by oppodeldoc


I'm truly curious if you think all the folks who testified about atrocities they committed in Vietnam were lying. Are you saying that ALL U.S. personnel (there are literally thousands of them) who have talked or testified publicly about these atrocities are LYING? If so, what does that say about your fellow marines? How on earth can we trust YOU?

Very Good Point I'd like to know the answer to that one myself

�Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.�

� Herman Goering
Nazi Air Force (Luftwaffe) commander
at the Nuremberg War-Crimes Trials, 1946

This is an interesting quote is'nt it? Does it make you think about anything going on in the present day?

Originally posted by marg6043
You know I wonder about that too, if some people here are so sure that Kerry is a lier how come I have not seen anybody making more nasty coments on kerry than the usual ones.

Ok marg here is your chance if you can prove he�s not a liar I�ll believe you�just answer a simple question. If he�s not a liar how do you explain the Christmas in Cambodia story?

As for your supposedly non-partisan links www.vvaw.org...

Kerry was appointed to the VVAW Executive Committee to assist in preparing Dewey Canyon III, VVAW's limited incursion into the land of Congress in 1971 (Nicosia, 98-99).

Really non-partisan gotta love it.

It's very sad nanna what people do and to the extent they will go just to make a point of a twisted mind, the bitterness the hatefulness toward those that see the truth.

It's people in here that has seen the truth and will back you up.

For everybody else that all they have done is trash this thread, go get a life and stop trying to poison with your bitterness the ones that have one and are happy with it.

Vietnam was real and so the horrors of that war, and Kerry had the cojones of talking about it and some of you cannot and never will be able to handle the truth.

Pity on your souls if you still have one.


[edit on 20-9-2004 by marg6043]

Originally posted by elaine
�Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.�

� Herman Goering
Nazi Air Force (Luftwaffe) commander
at the Nuremberg War-Crimes Trials, 1946

This is an interesting quote is'nt it? Does it make you think about anything going on in the present day?

Your quote is moto George & Co live by. Makes my hair stand on ends! Its so Bush.

Originally posted by elaine
�Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.�

� Herman Goering
Nazi Air Force (Luftwaffe) commander
at the Nuremberg War-Crimes Trials, 1946

This is an interesting quote is'nt it? Does it make you think about anything going on in the present day?

you know your right he claims that the swifties are attacking our sensibilities, and all of the democrats have denounced anyone that doesn�t agree�and the claim is that iraq has made us unsafe�your right Kerry�s a nazi

I'm not denouceing you guys for disagreeing. Go vote for Bush all you want. But I think that the warmongers are going to turn out to be wrong. And even when you do turn out to be wrong, I'm sure there's always another million excuses for Bush you can think of. It's your conscience buddy not mine.

[edit on 20-9-2004 by elaine]

I have never claimed that there were never abuses in Vietnam. My claim is that Kerry went to a "tribunal" that was packed with frauds and liars whose service and testimony has been debunked over and over again. He wanted the world to believe that the US had a policy of committing wholesale atrocities when in fact it was the communists who had a policy of wholesale atrocities.

He said he committed atrocities and then gave a list of actions that were not atrocities. He said that he had been issued only one weapon for use against personnel and that was a .50 cal. machine gun. Then in his commercials his home movies show him prancing around with an M-16 in his pristine helmet and flak jacket, looking like just stepped out of the supply tent and by his own admission he says that his favorite weapon is the M-16 that saved his life and the lives of his crew.

The fact is, when I research a topic, I don't exclude material because it does not suit my cause. I exclude material that I know to be patently false. The only sites that tell the truth about Kerry are the so-called right-wing sites. Some of you may have noticed that when the criticisms of Kerry are blatantly unwarranted, I say so, as was the case when someone suggested that Kerry volunteered for what he thought was "cake" duty when he volunteered for Riverine duty or when others made hay out of his owning an AK-47 from the war.

Another thing is that since I started to research Kerry, the number of left-wing sites defending his actions after Vietnam have exploded and the VVAW is all over the place. You can try to discredit me, but the truth is the truth and no amount of lying will change it. All the second-hand war stories won't cut it either.

Kerry is a liar and he championed the cause of the communists who were responsible for the invasion of South Vietnam and the wholesale slaughter of civilians throughout the war and when the US left, conducted a genocide in Southeast Asia. Where was the outrage then? Where was John Kerry between 1973 and 1975, when Vietnamese boat people were doing everything in their power to escape the horror of communist domination? Where was Jane Fonda? Where were you?

I don't understand how people that supposedly has seen the horrors of war can be so happy to have bush in the white house again so he can keep taking our young people and give them the same horrors of war that the veterans of war so much remember about.

I don't get it.

Winter Soldier
Investigation Testimony given in Detroit, Michigan, on January 31, 1971, February 1 and 2, 1971



lists.village.virginia.edu...


and this next "url" came from one of the "sites" that Grady listed.

ice.he.net...

Originally posted by marg6043
I don't understand how people that supposedly has seen the horrors of war can be so happy to have bush in the white house again so he can keep taking our young people and give them the same horrors of war that the veterans of war so much remember about.

I don't get it.

I don't get it either. Grady, please explain to us why you would want George W Bush to remain in office,...... knowing that the Iraqi war is a farce and our people along with their citizens are dying ,....... for NOTHING , just as it was back in the Vietnam War ?

Why do you agree with such a thing ? Better yet, let me put it this way,.... .

Are you married ? Do you have grown children at the age where they could be drafted into war, when the draft-starts ?
If you do have children,....... how,... or should I say WHY would you want to subject your child to such a horrorble end ?

You say you know what Nam was like (first hand), so why ????