John Kerry's 1971 Testimony That The" Swifties" Twisted ?

Originally posted by dgtempe

I think you came across 3 ladies who know their stuff and wont quit just because you intimidate us. It may be your modus operendi, but its not the policy of ATS to chase women off just "cause....and because we dont agree with your politics.
So if I were you, i'd learn to put up with it!.

Here's laughing at you

Know your stuff???

Look at the title of this thread, and how you came to the aid of your friend, only to be proven absolutely, unequivocally WRONG!!!! If that's "knowing your stuff", I'd hate to see you speak on a subject you DON'T know anything about!!! Not trying to chase you anywhere, just a polite observation...about as polite as you have been to me!!!


And EVERYBODY'S laughing at YOU!!!!

Is this childish or what?

The reason this thread has taken this tone is because WE all have the right to jump in here and express our views!

I didnt tell YOU to go have a beer with your buddies, YOU are the one suggesting that we are morons!

** shakes head and goes to take warm bath**

BUT...we'll be back!

Originally posted by dgtempe

Is this childish or what?

The reason this thread has taken this tone is because WE all have the right to jump in here and express our views!

I didnt tell YOU to go have a beer with your buddies, YOU are the one suggesting that we are morons!

** shakes head and goes to take warm bath**

BUT...we'll be back!

I never said you didn't. But you insist on ignoring what is put in front of you, i.e., Kerry's own words that the originator of this thread claimed he never said...that the words were made up by the swift vets. The proof was put in front of you, and you ignored it. You got ridiculous. That's why the tone became what it did...spin it any way you wish, the truth is there in your posts.

Have a fine bath, and remember, while you are in there, "Deny Ignorance!!!"""

You sure didn't do it here tonight!!!

Originally posted by nanna_of_6
���������������.. I suggest that the one's that are sticking up for these two so-called "Christian men"

, are no better than these two "draft-dodgers" were, IMO.

and I suggest that if you could find some actual facts to back your argument and quit with the emotional pandering you might actually convince someone�.oh I forgot you can�t find proof of something that never was�.oh well continue with the emotional pandering and smear campaign.

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction

Originally posted by dgtempe
:

Have a fine bath, and remember, while you are in there, "Deny Ignorance!!!"""

You sure didn't do it here tonight!!!

Very comical. Or should I say Komical.
My demeanor has improved and I will be able to

even more.
Maybe by morning you'll have read the thread nanna posted and change your mind?

Originally posted by dgtempe
...................
Vote Bush because: His picture isnt on display on some foreign wall
Vote Bush: because he didnt lie about Viet Nam
Vote Bush: Because he's gonna save us!
............

and your implication then would be
vote kerry: because his picture is on display.
vote kerry: because he did lie.
vote kerry: because he's gonna save us
???

Originally posted by dgtempe

Very comical. Or should I say Komical.
My demeanor has improved and I will be able to

even more.
Maybe by morning you'll have read the thread nanna posted and change your mind?

Nana couldn't find a fact if it was on a post it note stuck to her nose...but if you would read, I have already posted in nana's other thread...she's just as funny in that one, and still can't find a verifiable fact to save her life....

Why would I change my mind from the verifiable truth to believing the lies posted here? Makes no sense what so ever.

Remember, you have to use CREDIBLE SOURCES to have CREDIBILITY...remind your friends nana and marge of that, will you???

Glad you're feeling better...perhaps in the morning YOU will have an epiphany and suddenly realize that the truth was staring you in the face all the time...you just missed it....


[edit on 19-9-2004 by Affirmative Reaction]

Originally posted by keholmes

Originally posted by dgtempe
...................
Vote Bush because: His picture isnt on display on some foreign wall
Vote Bush: because he didnt lie about Viet Nam
Vote Bush: Because he's gonna save us!
............

and your implication then would be
vote kerry: because his picture is on display.
vote kerry: because he did lie.
vote kerry: because he's gonna save us
???

My implication is simply that Kerry is accused of these things so we, Americans will settle for Bush, because we CANT have Kerry since he is a traitor. right?

OK. Now, lets see if I can get this point across, Since Kerry is a traitor, we should all vote for Bush, right?

We should all vote for Bush because........why?
To continue the war? To have a draft? To kill more innocents of ours and thousands more Iraquis? To go to Iran next and wipe them out? and on and on and on...? To continue the crimes against humanity? To look for more WMS's.....Is this why we should vote for Bush?
This is the only agenda that Bush knows, the only agenda that Bush will ever have. Just think, if it hadnt been for 911, Bush would be nothing.
Bush doesnt care about this country. Bush only cares about Bush and money and power and his crazy illuminati.
So, who's the lesser of the evils? I think by far Kerry is.
I never said I liked Kerry, and I never said he didnt say this or that. My point is that of the two, he is the only one who could possibly get us out of this mess.

Originally posted by dgtempe

Bush doesnt care about this country. Bush only cares about Bush and money and power and his crazy illuminati.

Ok...for a moment there I thought there might be some decent conversation and debate here...but now you've blown it....

You've now shown your true colors, and it's not a pretty site.

Go call the men in little white suits...I'm done with you.....

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction

Originally posted by dgtempe

Bush doesnt care about this country. Bush only cares about Bush and money and power and his crazy illuminati.

Ok...for a moment there I thought there might be some decent conversation and debate here...but now you've blown it....

You've now shown your true colors, and it's not a pretty site.

Go call the men in little white suits...I'm done with you.....

Sayonara. Arriverderchi mi Amore. Hasta la Vista

[edit on 22-9-2004 by Kano]

[edit on 22-9-2004 by mad scientist]

Originally posted by dgtempe
................................ My point is that of the two, he is the only one who could possibly get us out of this mess.

how do you come to that conclusion as he voted to get us into the mess in the first place....before he voted against it....before he decided we should have went....before he decided that we should leave....before....damn got a blood blister other wise i would have posted some of his other positions on the same topic before i decided to not post them but it's important to note that i posted them before i decided not to post them....whew.

no you should not vote for him because he can't take a position....whoops actually because he can't take just one....he needs about 20 on a topic before he's comfortable.....or you not vote for him because he lies, he won't get us out of crap....if you want someone to just get the troops out them check out badnarik or nader or the green.

[edit on 19-9-2004 by keholmes]

Originally posted by Seekerof
All you ever wanted to know about Mr. Kerry[/url]
seekerof

[edit on 19-9-2004 by Seekerof]

seekerof, no dis-respect to you personally but , excuse me but the link you gave takes a person "straight to he!!" nothing but "rightwingers/neocons/Republicans are in that link. I found what I did, the hard way, staying up all night, searching the internet, not jumping right into a page, wrote up by Republicans and such people. The man that has the "site" I found, is nothing to me, I do not know him personally, I do not know if he's Republican/Democrat/Independ,..... or what,..... I just happened to stumble upon his site. Besides, I do know some Vietnam Veterans personally and they told things that went on over there to women,children, and old ,by the hands of some of the US servicemen, that was totally wrong. J Kerry told the truth, I'm sorry, but he did.
Sometimes, I wonder if some of the people thats trying to destroy John Kerry's name and his rep, are some of those 150 men that was in the Detroit meeting , that did do those terrible things to the people of vietnam.

For shame to the one's that are attacking John Kerry. John Kerry and the others that backed him , did everything they could to try and get the troops out of Nam, and they picked John Kerry as their spokes-person. The Veterans that were still over there fighting only heard what that Administration wanted them to hear, during that time,...... Just as ,.... the Republicans bow to Bush as their GOD and beleive everything that Satan's spawn tells them.
You all can beleive G W Bush & D Cheney if you want, thats your choice,..... and you can "feel GOOD" about your selves, sitting back and watching our young people die for the same kind of Bull crap, that the Vietnam Veterans died for in that war,...... a Big Nothing . Go ahead, sit back and keep quiet, don't speak out on this Iraqi war being as wrong as the Vietnam War was , let these young people die for nothing,....... it sure is a good way for some of the Veterans to get back at the Citizens that treated them so unfairly, and cruelly when they came home from Nam by standing quietly by, when they could speak out instead.

www.vvaw.org...


Oh, looky what I found and guess what,........ it has URL's all the way through it to back it up. :

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction
Kerry's own words that the originator of this thread claimed he never said...that the words were made up by the swift vets.

Sir, you and others choose to be ignorant to the "facts" that were in the CONGRESSIONAL RECORD, dated on April 22. 1971 . So I will list a few things S-L-O-W-L-Y for you , so your able to understand, what this Thread was about, O-K-A-Y . Now that I have gotten you this far, I shall begin.
1) There was John Kerry's "own" testimony as to the realization by other Veterans and his self that the Vietnam War never should have happened,..... but of course you all know that, and that should be something we all can agree on, correct.

2) The "Winter Soldier Investigation"; John Kerry, "quote", I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that SEVERAL MONTHS AGO IN DETROIT, we had an investigation at which OVER 150 HONORABLY DISCHARGED and MANY VERY HIGHLY DECORATED VETERANS, now hang on so you can understand whats coming next,.... here we go,.... TESTIFIED TO WAR CRIMES COMMITTED IN SOUTHEAST ASIA, NOT ISOLATED INCIDENTS BUT CRIMES COMMITTED ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS, and here's a little kicker,..... WITH THE FULL AWARENESS OF OFFICERS AT ALL LEVELS OF COMMAND.

John Kerry goes on to say, "quote" It is IMPOSSIBLE to describe to you EXACTLY what did happen in Detroit, the EMOTIONS in the room, the FEELINGS of the men ,...... here's another kicker,...... WHO WERE RELIVING THEIR EXPERIENCES in Vietnam, but THEY DID, they relived the ABSOLUTE HORROR OF WHAT THIS COUNTRY, IN A SENCE, MADE THEM DO. THEY TOLD STORIES . At times THEY HAD PERSONALLY RAPED, CUT OFF EARS, CUT OFF HEADS,......... oh heck go READ IT YOUR SELVES.


The point I was making with this thread was this; John Kerry testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, John Kerry also TOLD the Committee about the "Winter Soldier Investigation" and what took place on those days and how these men testified in Detroit , that they self-admitted to doing terrible things, war-crimes .

These men that went to Detroit for the Winter Soldier Investigation and testified to their-own war-crimes .

John Kerry DID NOT put words in their mouths,
John Kerry DID NOT accuse anyone of anything,...... those men told what THEY HAD ACTUALLY DONE TO THOSE PEOPLE, they ADMITTED to THEIR CRIMES , no one forced them , they did it on their own .

So as my remark about the "swifties" and their lying/twisting John Kerry's words,............................. THEY DID !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They took bits of peices of John Kerry's testimony,.... put a spin on it,... to make it sound like he was accusing soldiers of war crimes, when in FACT, John Kerry was not accusing any soldier of anything.


But of course you all know this and you'd just as soon keep the LIE/Spin the way the swifties put it, instead of being honorable and truthful.

Originally posted by nanna_of_6
www.vvaw.org...
Oh, looky what I found and guess what,........ it has URL's all the way through it to back it up.

:

These are communist collaborators justifying their own actions. You call this unbiased reporting? Nanna, you find what supports your view and go with it. That's not research.

Originally posted by nanna_of_6
But of course you all know this and you'd just as soon keep the LIE/Spin the way the swifties put it, instead of being honorable and truthful.

Information about the Winter Soldier Investigation and teh frauds who lied about their "atrocities."

ice.he.net...

ice.he.net...

ice.he.net...

Originally posted by nanna_of_6


Sir, you and others choose to be ignorant to the "facts" that were in the CONGRESSIONAL RECORD, dated on April 22. 1971 . So I will list a few things S-L-O-W-L-Y for you , so your able to understand, what this Thread was about, O-K-A-Y

Nice job of editing your first post there, nana....but everybody who trashed you for posting what you did the FIRST time, that is, before you CHANGED IT to read what it does NOW, knows what ws there, and it's not what is there now...to quote what is on the bottom of the page now...

[edit on 19-9-2004 by nanna_of_6]

[edit on 19-9-2004 by nanna_of_6]

Nice job of changing the initial post to change the entire meaning!!! I guess if I had been as embarrassed as you were by being proven so unequivocally wrong...no, I still wouldn't have done something as cheap and underhanded. But it just goes to show where your priorities lie (spelling intended). You fit right in with the Democratic party of hate. You should go work for MoveOn.org or ask Michael Moore-on for a job. You are great at twisting things around.

Unfortunately, you can't get rid of those "edited" tags, which are a tell tale sign that you did so. Everyone who posted here knows what the thread was about, and your lie does nothing to change that.

You said that John Kerry never admitted to having committed atrocities. You were proven wrong. Bummer.

To bad that you have proven that you have absolutely no integrity what so ever. Since you have none, I know that you are incapable of feeling shame for your transgression, so I will feel some for you...

I am deeply, deeply ashamed of you......

Nanna, I see exactly what you mean and understand your point clearly.
This is the spin Republicans put on the story. tsk tsk....
Dirty, dirty politics. and they know a lot of people are willing to swallow it whole- no water!!!!!
See you in the mud-pit nanna!

And no water! Please!