Dalai Lama Consults Trance Channeled Entities! Rare Video

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I hope this doesn't come off as ramblings I'll try my best
I have a small vibration now just sharing something you haven't discovered yet for yourself, but why else was I able to see it if not to share?

Anonymous threw out a copy of The book of Aquarius, clearly stating that it is achievable to reanimate life within 3 days, live forever, never get sick!
Go check out the website of all those cooking away with magic results.
Real magic doesn't need cooking, and who are we to decide we can live forever? That book is a conglomeration of a vast library of all things we all should have had access to as long as they have. Yes they


There was/is a him, always was, but he split himself/brother, one was for her and here, the other for himself and his ever lasting need to create beautiful things out there. Hence the stars in the sky, they were for her just because she sees beauty in all things and loves him for it.
He can create it, but it takes her to nurture it and raise it.
Why weren't they together? Did he find what he was looking for?
It didn't make sense to me. Why has woman suffered so much? What did she do? Could she ever forgive herself and then forgive him, no matter what it was?
In the animal world she takes her babies away from him knowing if he gets hungry enough he will eat them, so she suffers to save her childs future, therefore hers and his.
I became angry, very very angry about the mess that has been made everywhere, of people, of the planet. How can they not know? The division of man and woman stood out like a neon sign in my head.
You have on one hand various religions which all have the same flavour to them and in the beginning they all had access to the library, it's what they chose to do with it that has gone seriously astray.
She forgives them though, she always does doesn't matter what he does to her or in her name.
You see this mirrored across the planet.
A personal deal was struck, this part is private. The battle came afterwards.
The beginning of the great mothers sacrifice was made apparent to me, and that I was always forgiven by the mother, the sister and the daughter of which I am all three, therefore I could forgive myself and get up off the ground to rest in her shade.
My grandmother killed herself for me and my sister had her heart shredded in her chest for me. That is only two of many many sacrifices she has made for us all to live here right now.
I passed a very personal test. All I wanted to do was return to the safety of the forest, never again be lured to the ocean, which is cold and dark.
Man made/tampered/cooked/manufactured started to made me ill, I could only absorb as much as I needed only from her (only), which isn't as much as what we've all trained ourselves to consume, far far less. Sleep was also unnecessary during this period.
The more you consume the more clouded you become (mentally and physically)and pliable to whom ever wants you to full-fill their need.
With a love of mother, sister and daughter, and a burning desire to see my husband I headed out of the swamp and towards home.
Other things over a few days became apparent, far more than what is written here.

If you closet your flowers and covet it away you are missing out on all her magic which inhabits all females on the planet. Our bodies are connected intimately to the moon and the sun, without both we die.
Some of us are forced to miss out on both, look to the middle east, early Christian abhorration of woman and their power over men. That is where the fear started for all human life and division became necessary for those who wanted more than their fair share.
They are always strongest together, always. They are the two halves of one whole.
But can he forgive himself? Has he yet?
It dawned on me, while in the swamp, that all things were created out of love. This planet for instance at the start.
Then man followed that pattern, continuing to create from her the things he could provide to those he loved.
There is a continual revisiting of our energies to learn these lessons, some of us take longer than others.
Hot running showers allowed me to come inside from the safety of the ground the day/night and had me thanking the father, the brother and the son for days. A flushing toilet, clean cotton sheets for your bed. I was awake
If you consider one possibility then you must consider them all and I had been looking for my husband for eternity.
It was all about the love from then on and making sure those I loved were truly aware of how I felt about them.
There is no fear in truth but that which we create.

I hope this helps
x
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thanks manda, thank you heaps for sharing
i feel with you and your mothers

the mary river is flooded, seems full with all our tears. she carries so much mud, the land is stirred up, resettling
keep wearing those flowers in your hair

and lots of gratitude to GUT for supporting us through this thread. it feels good

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I'm glad you posted that. I don't think people undersand what they are messing with. There is a whole lot more out there that we can't see or understand. Honestly .. considering the negative stuff that you described ... I'm not in so much of a hurry to 'connect' with all this meditation stuff anymore.

This thread has scared the stuff'n out of me.

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bestintentions...I have a feeling you are a teacher either by profession, natural talent, or both. Thanks for all you've shared here, I am learning a lot!

Your following quote from Lao Tzu is marvelous and brings up something that has always bothered me about--for lack of a better word--Nirvana.

Lao Tzu (604-517 BC), Hua Hu Ching, Verse 52: Do you think you can clear your mind by sitting constantly in silent meditation? This makes your mind narrow, not clear. Integral awareness is fluid and adaptable, present in all places and at all times. That is true meditation. Who can attain clarity and simplicity by avoiding the world?

The "calmness" that I've noted in some "adepts" eventually struck me as artificial. A "meditative lobotomy" if you will. More Soma than Serenity. A disconnect from the world.

I don't say that's always the case, but rather my perception of that which I've seen myself.

And maybe that's the way to go in the spiritual sense. It wouldn't exactly contradict some of the teachings of my own faith either, in that our physical world is pollution and the spiritual world divine.

But at this point I'm still more in line with Lao Tzu on that issue.

Not to go too far off topic, but I was once very interested in a genuine shaman led ayahuasca journey. Before I had seriously considered it enough to make plans, a friend of mine traveled to S.A. to do that very thing.

She came back very "flat"--much of her effervescence gone. It lasted at least months. A biochemical lobotomy is what I called it. I eventually lost contact with her...I hope she's okay.

I guess Lao's point is that our philosophy and spiritual journeys should help us embrace life, not avoid it.

Thanks again for your input and for helping aussieamanda work through her experiences.

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Thank you for the link it was very informative, but one of the strongest feelings was it should have gone back to her, not swinging around necks and used to see with.
Doing harm in any form is not the way to go.
Moral of the story you will suffer to see, it depends on your tolerance and personally collected shadows how bad it is.

The more shadows you have the more openings you have.
Maybe they deliberately collect personal shadows so they can see, that's a lot of work just to be informed, and clearly missing the point of life.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to post by AussieAmandaC

 

I'm glad you posted that. I don't think people undersand what they are messing with. There is a whole lot more out there that we can't see or understand. Honestly .. considering the negative stuff that you described ... I'm not in so much of a hurry to 'connect' with all this meditation stuff anymore.

This thread has scared the stuff'n out of me.

Meditation and "channeling" are way different things. I must admit I was not aware of the depth and similarities of the shamanistic practices these Tibetans have. You are going to find these strange happenings in every religion or way of thinking. We fear the unknown. Pray, it is meditating. I know it is good.

Originally posted by earthdude

Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to post by AussieAmandaC

 

I'm glad you posted that. I don't think people undersand what they are messing with. There is a whole lot more out there that we can't see or understand. Honestly .. considering the negative stuff that you described ... I'm not in so much of a hurry to 'connect' with all this meditation stuff anymore.

This thread has scared the stuff'n out of me.

Meditation and "channeling" are way different things. I must admit I was not aware of the depth and similarities of the shamanistic practices these Tibetans have. You are going to find these strange happenings in every religion or way of thinking. We fear the unknown. Pray, it is meditating. I know it is good.

One lead to the other for me, so they are not so different imo and certainly not scary now I know who I am.
Even shadows are governed by rules of what they can and can't do to you, it all depends on your shadows.

If you want to see some very frightening channeling or possessing or whatever, look into Santaria voodoo trance states. I looked at this vid from a movie, not real.
www.youtube.com...
I don't like looking at the real demonic dancing. I also don't like to hear native American recordings of warriors singing sacred songs, it all chills me to the bone.

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
Looking at the headdresses brought a question to mind: are what we see in ancient carvings of what have been described as "war helmets" actually ceremonial headdresses? What is their function? It's not for show as they wear in them in private ceremonies. Do they somehow facilitate the process of mediums/oracles? Are they gateways to allow consciousness to flow from and into ourselves? This film has me wondering.

I like the way you think, and would have to suggest you are onto something. This gives me some ideas for art, can I borrow your idea?

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Good watch Gut!
I study a bit of Buddhism and Taoism, and I really like the view they have on reincarnation and souls.
This is very interesting though, and new to me in that I didn't realize they worked with demons, esp christian or muslim demons. I have to agree with the notion that channeled info, while interesting, cannot be trusted. Even if it were real, what's it's motivation to help you?

thanks for sharing S+F

Originally posted by Aliquandro

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
Looking at the headdresses brought a question to mind: are what we see in ancient carvings of what have been described as "war helmets" actually ceremonial headdresses? What is their function? It's not for show as they wear in them in private ceremonies. Do they somehow facilitate the process of mediums/oracles? Are they gateways to allow consciousness to flow from and into ourselves? This film has me wondering.

I like the way you think, and would have to suggest you are onto something. This gives me some ideas for art, can I borrow your idea?

That is a GREAT idea! Please share if you pursue it.

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I sure will share, it's what i do Hey I went ahead and d/l this video with the YT tool and watched it twice.

The heredity line oracle thing concerns me. I never understood channeling or possessions to be a lineage phenomena. That young photographer seemed way more interested in photographs and the message of the Tibetian people than channeling a spirit. I think maybe he knows it will be a stretch to simply expect him to channel? idk, it really makes me wonder.

The Tibetian community here are some of the nicest people I've ever met though. I frequent one store here where the Tibetian owner sells beautifully calligraphed mantras and buddhas, they are donated by his home village. He sells them and the proceeds go towards supplying that village with soap, shampoo and cleaning supplies. They are that poor. Needless to say when I finish up my dhzambala, laxsmi, ganesha, and saraswadi I'll be donating some prints to his store.

Back on topic I'd be curious how many of the oracles really are fakes, the need for a job is intense there.

Originally posted by Aliquandro
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...The heredity line oracle thing concerns me. I never understood channeling or possessions to be a lineage phenomena...

That caught my attention as well. My mind came up with the claims of hereditary witches/psychics/mediums, so I guess in a sense it's not a far stretch for those who peek beyond the "veil."

Then, as I looked into bestintentions links, and considered the fact that the monks themselves believe in a direct lineage of "spirits" in the reincarnation sense and the entity sense, it became--maybe--more clear.

The monks don't believe the oracle spirits to be reincarnated, but rather, if I understand correctly, entities seperate from human-beings.

Therefore, if these entities are strong enough, it would seem that they hold their place--or maybe duty--with all they've got and a household member of a previous oracle is probably somewhat conditioned as a "host."

Surveying various religious/historical literature would also suggest the ability of discarnate beings to "body hop."

For years, my best guess hypothesis was that the so-called "spirit world" was a reflection of our subconscious life. That's still my number 2 guess, bumped to number 2 after experiencing more of life and seeing/experiencing some things that I was hard-pressed to put into the "Jungian" category anymore.

There's more there than meets the eye--pun intended.

btw: Yes, I have met some really sweet Buddhists too. Your friend sounds like a really adorable human.

Peace, my friend, I'm gonna be trying your Bulgogi (Korean BBQ) recipe soon. I just hope you don't get hunted down and killed for posting it.

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I've been tracking this thread with great interest for a while now. My knee jerked so hard I had to wear a cast after watching that footage. Not cool, Mr. The Dalai Lama. His strongest arguments for utilizing the services of entities that clearly take a massive toll on their hosts are expediency (it works) and cultural relativism (we've always done it).

Here's my thought on the heritable nature of this phenom: the Tibetans aren't the first to have found that you can select for a susceptibility to possession.

For years, my best guess hypothesis was that the so-called "spirit world" was a reflection of our subconscious life. That's still my number 2 guess, bumped to number 2 after experiencing more of life and seeing/experiencing some things that I was hard-pressed to put into the "Jungian" category anymore.

I am still very much inclined to think we generate the whole six-ring circus. I saw an illustration once of the six realms represented as a sort of Venn diagram of overlapping spheres. The realm of the One (Nirvana) was represented by a sphere that did not touch upon the others in any way. However, there was a sort of umbilicus that ran from the One to our realm, Manusya-gati.

Not only does that imply that the only avenue of reunion is available exclusively in our sphere, it implies that we are the conduits for the Creative force. That we generate the realms above and below, and that the "demons" and the "devas" and all the rest, though enjoying an independent existence, have their first cause in human activity.

Which makes the exploitation of entity or host that much more of a d-bag move.

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My, my...where have you been hiding your sports-car intellect? Welcome not only to this thread, but I look forward to your contributions elsewhere on the boards.

I have to run this morning, but I'm definitely gonna contemplate and research your contributions. Thanks.

Sorry about the knee.

Originally posted by Eidolon23
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...His strongest arguments for utilizing the services of entities that clearly take a massive toll on their hosts are expediency (it works) and cultural relativism (we've always done it)...

I also noticed that the DL seemed to say, basically, that they take the oracles suggestions with a grain of salt.

Not to mention that the Dalai Lama's dismissal of the last oracle seemed a little…well, dismissive. Hard to say from the clip but he seemed either somewhat disgruntled or afraid or both. He'd heard enough at the very least.

It does seem like a lot of wear and tear for an oracle to go through when a Magic 8-Ball could provide some pretty nifty "iffy" advice for their consideration and the Magic 8-Ball doesn't seem to mind being "shook."

I jest of course…kind o'.

I had previously found some material that covered one or two incidents that the monks felt the oracles had been correct about, but it seemed meager and I was wanting to research it further before posting it here.

I'll get back on that and see what I come up with, and would also appreciate anyone else's input on that aspect of this subject.

Whether they are literal creations from our own mind or stand-alone entities, it seems clear that the only thing that can be expected from "contact" is a mixture of truth and untruth. And that, in my experience, is consistent with my own subconscious: I can be my own worst enemy and convince myself of many spiritually unhealthy things as well as getting it "right" sometimes.

Consciousness, for me, is the most compelling evidence that we are not random molecules in a random universe going nowhere fast ad infinitum.

Bring up consciousness with the atheist/scientist and watch the sputtering begin. I see two facts in this world: Our material existence...and then that confounding un-material incredible phenomena that makes us who we are and enables us to do what we do: Consciousness.

And that's where spirituality in it's many guises gives me hope: A least it addresses the issue of whether we're alone here, and forever…or if life--of some sort--exists beyond the veil.

I'm stoked about the feedback I've received here, it has really pushed me to learn and study. Thank you all. )

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Thanks for a rare look into an interesting culture and way of life. There are so many sidestreets on the journey towards enlightenment.

"A looper, you know, a caddy, a looper, a jock. So, I tell them I'm a pro jock, and who do you think they give me? The Dalai Lama, himself. Twelfth son of the Lama. The flowing robes, the grace, bald...striking. So, I'm on the first tee with him. I give him the driver, he hauls off and whacks one- big hitter, the Lama- long, into a ten-thousand foot crevice, right at the base of this glacier. And do you know what the Lama says? "Gunga galunga...gunga- gunga lagunga." So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know?" And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice." - Bill Murray from Caddyshack.

I just couldn't resist. But on a serious note I could sense he (the lama) was a bit frustrated with the newest oracle too. What does the king of compassion do when he gets frustrated? idk honestly.

On a similar side I've seen and heard stories of Koreans using shamans to clear evil spirits, and sometimes get possessed to be able to communicate to the other side. In the very rural areas they are very superstitious, even now.

Then trying to find more info I stumbled across this video about the Hmong:

Bring up consciousness with the atheist/scientist and watch the sputtering begin. I see two facts in this world: Our material existence...and then that confounding un-material incredible phenomena that makes us who we are and enables us to do what we do: Consciousness.

Beautifully put!

That Bill Murray, he leads a charmed life, eh?

Originally posted by Aliquandro
...What does the king of compassion do when he gets frustrated?

Great line. Maybe that's as hacked as the Dalai Lama every gets. I get more perturbed than that just looking' in the mirror sometimes.

Thanks for sharing the vid. Made me pine for Asia, as they must be…and brought to mind my own exposure to a shaman or two back in the day.

It also reminded me, for some reason, of the Australian Aboriginals and their brand of shamanism/mysticism. Pretty powerful subject matter.

btw: The DL plays golf? If you can play that game and keep your cool, that's really somethin'

Originally posted by baalbuster

Originally posted by 547000
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I read in some ex-buddhist testimonies that sometimes demons appear to those who meditate often, but then the buddhist ignores them and continues and then the spirits of other buddhist appears. I believe that buddhist literature instructs one to continue ignoring these scary things and that they are only illusions keeping you from enlightenment.

Now what I wonder is if these respected buddhist spirits are really just the same demons in disguise.

Its been said that during Siddhartha's final push for enlightenment he was confronted by the daughters of Mara, demons who appeared as beautiful young women...so yeah man, you wonder rightly.

I believe the daughters represented the worldly lusts.

Which makes ya wonder why on Earth the DL would be wanting to "consult" demonic entities, why invite them it makes no sense

The Enlightenment of Siddhartha Gautama Buddha

Just before the historical Buddha, Siddhartha Gautama, realized enlightenment, it is said the demon Mara attacked him with armies of monsters to frighten Siddhartha from his seat under the bodhi tree. But the about-to-be Buddha did not move. Then Mara claimed the seat of enlightenment for himself, saying his spiritual accomplishments were greater than Siddhartha's. Mara's monstrous soldiers cried out together, "I am his witness!" Mara challenged Siddhartha--who will speak for you?

Then Siddhartha reached out his right hand to touch the earth, and the earth itself roared, "I bear you witness!" Mara disappeared. And as the morning star rose in the sky, Siddhartha Gautama realized enlightenment and became a Buddha.

The Earth Witness Mudra

The "earth witness" Buddha is one of the most common iconic images of Buddhism. It depicts the Buddha sitting in meditation with his left hand, palm upright, in his lap, and his right hand touching the earth. This represents the moment of the Buddha's enlightenment.

A mudra in Buddhist iconography is a body posture or gesture with special meaning. The earth witness mudra is also called the Bhumi-sparsha ("gesture of touching the earth") mudra. This mudra represents unshakability or steadfastness. The Dhyani Buddha Akshobhya also is associated with the earth witness mudra because he was immovable in keeping a vow never to feel anger or disgust at others.

The mudra also symbolizes the union of skillful means (upaya), symbolized by the right hand touching the earth, and wisdom (prajna), symbolized by the left hand on the lap in a meditation position.

Confirmed by the EarthI

think the earth witness story tells us something else very fundamental about Buddhism. The founding stories of most religions involve gods and angels from heavenly realms bearing scriptures and prophecies. But the enlightenment of the Buddha, realized through his own effort, was confirmed by the earth.

Of course, some stories about the Buddha mention gods and heavenly beings. Yet the Buddha did not ask for help from heavenly beings. He asked the earth. Religious historian Karen Armstrong wrote in her book, Buddha (Penguin Putnam, 2001, p. 92), about the earth witness mudra:

"It not only symbolizes Gotama's rejection of Mara's sterile machismo, but makes a profound point that a Buddha does indeed belong to the world. The Dhamma is exacting, but it is not against nature. . . . The man or woman who seeks enlightenment is in tune with the fundamental structure of the universe."

No Separation

Buddhism teaches that nothing exists independently. Instead, all phenomena and all beings are caused to exist by other phenomena and beings. The existence of all things is interdependent. Our existence as human beings depends on earth, air, water, and other forms of life. Just as our existence depends on and is conditioned by those things, they also are conditioned by our existence.

The way we think of ourselves as being separate from earth and air and nature is part of our essential ignorance, according to Buddhist teaching. The many different things -- rocks, flowers, babies, and also asphalt and car exhaust -- are expressions of us, and we are expressions of them. In a sense, when the earth confirmed the Buddha's enlightenment, the earth was confirming itself, and the Buddha was confirming himself.
buddhism.about.com...

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