Excited Young People Film Strange Aerial Phenomenon In Oroville, CA.

reply to post by wmd_2008


1] what you would do is utterly irrelevant, as is what i, my cat, or OJ Simpson would do.
2] yes, there are lots of airports in the world. this is also irrelevant but well done on noticing.
3] while zoom is involved in that gif you linked, i think you will find what makes the trick is actually perspective.
since the video on the OP was not wildly switching position and zoom i will have to make this a third 'irrelevant'.
4] yes, it was a low quality recording and youtube doesn't change that for the better.
however just being filmed in low quality does not cause planes to do things that planes do not and can not do.
i'm sorry but yet again; totally irrelevant.
perhaps you should look at the frames Xoanon kindly pulled that actually
*are*
and discuss some of that.

reply to post by Xoanon


There is absolutely NOTHING abnormal about the lights you are pointing at.

The one light that rises up and then later turns right and seems to disappear in the clouds... that was just an aircraft that flew over the horizon towards the camera for a while before it turned to the right (its left). Because it was flying towards the camera for a while it appeared to hover, and it appeared to rise because the Earth is round and the aircraft is flying over the horizon toward the camera. It then turned right and the lights were no longer pointing at the camera, and then camouflaged with the clouds. There is absolutely nothing abnormal about that.

The other light you pointed at was reducing altitude while flying towards the camera, so it appeared to hover and descend to Earth. It appears it was just an aircraft coming in to land somewhere.

This video is just full of aircraft going to various locations. How can you people not know this?

Originally posted by decepticonLaura
reply to post by wmd_2008

 

1] what you would do is utterly irrelevant, as is what i, my cat, or OJ Simpson would do.
2] yes, there are lots of airports in the world. this is also irrelevant but well done on noticing.
3] while zoom is involved in that gif you linked, i think you will find what makes the trick is actually perspective.
since the video on the OP was not wildly switching position and zoom i will have to make this a third 'irrelevant'.
4] yes, it was a low quality recording and youtube doesn't change that for the better.
however just being filmed in low quality does not cause planes to do things that planes do not and can not do.
i'm sorry but yet again; totally irrelevant.
perhaps you should look at the frames Xoanon kindly pulled that actually
*are*
and discuss some of that.

1) It has if you state where you film FROM and make that clear and the direction THE YOU DON'T have to keep changing what you say!

2) Airports/airfields in the area are relevant because this place if flooded with youtube video like this and they turn out to be aircraft!!!

3) The gif was shown to give an idea of how different levels of zoom can effect what you see, I never claimed that she zoomed in and out in a wild fashion.

4) Although you comment on the low quality I NOTICED that you AVOIDED commenting on the video I posted because it shows some of the problems that can happen with video and that video was NOT in low light.

As for your comments re Xoanon I do hope they know that CSI is not a documentary!

this place is flooded with youtube videos of aircraft, yes.
the thing is, they all behave like aircraft.
that is why the airports are relevant; sure it behaves like a plane, but is it anywhere a plane should be?
when, in videos like this, the objects under scrutiny do not behave like aircraft
you cannot just reverse the process. oh, it's near an airport, therefore it doesn't matter how it behaves?

i realise the gif was to prove a point, the problem is that the point is invalid.
there are no switching or contrasting perspectives; to all intents and purposes the level of zoom is [wait for it]
irrelevant.

if you noticed me avoiding anything you must have your paranoia wound too tight;
i didn't watch it at all, why would i?
i am aware that problems can happen with video, i do live in the same century as you, remember.
i found i had rather enough conversation points to be carrying on without another irrelevancy muddying the waters.

Xoanon is in this thread. if you have anything snide to address to them
i am sure they will be able to set your mind at ease directly.
i am not sure what they do and do not know, though as they seem like a thoughtful and insightful individual
i feel quite confident in saying they are aware of that, yes.

My question remains for those who say those were planes:

How many planes do you see in this footage?

Four planes? Five planes?

Oroville is a small town. No big cities nearby. Four or five planes in less than 20 minutes???

Originally posted by DonaldD
reply to post by GLontra

 

Airport Operational Statistics
Aircraft based on the field: 29
Single engine airplanes: 24
Multi engine airplanes: 1
Ultralights: 4

Aircraft operations: avg 99/day *
56% transient general aviation
40% local general aviation
4% air taxi
* for 12-month period ending 31 December 2010

What airport are you talking about?

What is this distance of the airport you are talking about to Oroville?

reply to post by FlySolo


they've switched tactics from vehemently attacking to ignoring in hopes it will go away.

reply to post by Xoanon


Sorry, I have no thoughts on that.

I'm not a physicist of any sort. If I were, I'd have started with the night vision goggles themselves.

After determining there were no malfunctions AND no interacting physical phenomenon with the goggles themselves, I would have tried correlating with solar and geophysical phenomenon.

National Geographic HAD measured the electromagnetic radiation as higher at the Brown Mountain site for that night according to the longer video.

Edit: - I forgot to mention that a night vision goggle dealer says the National Geographic team's night vision goggles were third generation. This makes a difference too.

buynightvisiongoggles.opinionstoday.net...

Generation information has NOT been double-checked elsewhere, so, is heresay until verified by other sources. End Edit.

I don't feel the Brown Mountain lights are the same effect, phenomenon or even related to the Oroville, California lights.

Included below are the links from our previous conversation - merely to keep all the information together in one place (this thread).

www.ufosnw.com...

globalparanormal.com...

www.airnav.com...

With nothing but reports, I can't even guess whether the February 2012 Florida and four Texas sightings are even related. They "sound" like the same sort of phenomenon though.

Originally posted by FlySolo
reply to post by Riakennor

 

We've narrowed down the location of the sighting (sort of, due to 20 y/o incomprehensible typing skills) and we have some pictures of the objects in daylight. We've almost eliminated the proximity of the airport being no where near the sighting with some reluctance of some members. To be expected of course. The event went on through the night for about 6 hours and the footage we see is only a small portion of what went on out there.

Thank you FlySolo... Very much appreciated

For those of you who are saying the airport location is irrelevant or that the airport isn't anywhere near, etc. take a look at the maps made from the (confusing) information provided by the woman who says she was at the taping, then consider that while these objects are still "unidentified" that they do look and behave like small aircraft (manmade).
Before just jumping to "they are not airplanes", do some research for yourself. And yes, I agree, posting obligatory youtube videos of other examples of stuff isn't really a good way to compare to this video.
If you think they are not airplanes, call Oakland Center, call Chico, do SOMETHING besides jumping to a conclusion from just watching the video. Call and ask them if there was anything unusual in the area of Oroville on the given date. (I'd say call Beale, but this is ATS and we don't trust the military).
A lot has been done by, as you would call them the "debunkers" to figure out everything it can be (besides just screaming Chinese lanterns LOL). And it isn't like by investigating if they were planes or not, or if they were in fact filming in the direction of the airport (which from what little info we have seems to be the case, no matter how hard people are denying it). Because, by "debunkers" searching into the airport theory more...guess what...THEY MIGHT ACTUALLY DISPROVE THAT IT ISN'T PLANES AT ALL!

Also, read the whole thread before posting stuff, that helps too.

reply to post by upgrayeddc310t


From the info that she gave where it was filmed from and the approximate area they were filming towards, it is away from the airport. However I havent checked personally if there are smaller airfields in the line of sight.

And still nobody answers the question about the steep ascent of that one plane?? I think on guy tried to by posting videos of large powerful jets and military planes...

reply to post by decepticonLaura


It's simple if people say these are not aircraft because of what they think they see on video, well we know the following if aircraft are travelling towards or away in the direction the camera is facing they can appear stationary.

We know for a fact that the video isn't of the best of quality and that due to camera,lens,zoom,light level many things can look strange once a video is encoded and dumped on the net.

I will link to this video again do you really think this plane is appearing/disappear or it's a video encoding/ lighting issue.



So planes can seem to disappear

The simple fact that is this area is surrounded by airports and that its more likely to be aircraft (sorry to burst your bubble) than MOG from ZOG out for a day trip with the lads

What would have been even better was if the young lady gave denfinite info of where this was taken from and direction the camera was pointing.

reply to post by Idonthaveabeard


I made a map a few pages back and posted a link to it showing that from all the information posted by the woman (some of it contradictory, at times) that they were in-fact looking in the direction of the airfield. I'll make a new one as the one I posted, I made quickly by superimposing two other maps that I made on the same subject. But go back and look if you don't believe me that they were filming in the direction of the airport, based on what she says.
As for the steep ascent, I guess I will have to watch the video again and look for what you are talking about.
Posting military aircraft as a comparison isn't good, unless he was trying to say maybe they are military.
But even small singles can climb steeply when taking off, this is necessary for taking off over obstacles. It is practiced frequently in training, even when obstacles aren't there you just pretend they are and go through the procedures.

Originally posted by wmd_2008
reply to post by decepticonLaura

 

It's simple if people say these are not aircraft because of what they think they see on video, well we know the following if aircraft are travelling towards or away in the direction the camera is facing they can appear stationary.

We know for a fact that the video isn't of the best of quality and that due to camera,lens,zoom,light level many things can look strange once a video is encoded and dumped on the net.

I will link to this video again do you really think this plane is appearing/disappear or it's a video encoding/ lighting issue.

So planes can seem to disappear

The simple fact that is this area is surrounded by airports and that its more likely to be aircraft (sorry to burst your bubble) than MOG from ZOG out for a day trip with the lads

What would have been even better was if the young lady gave denfinite info of where this was taken from and direction the camera was pointing.

edit on 24-2-2012 by wmd_2008 because: (no reason given)

I don't understand the relevance of this clip. It's a jet flying at aprox 40,000 feet and at 500 mph. What are you trying to compare? The word "disappearing" with absolutely anything?


That's a pretty good trick btw

My best answer for this is...

stop moving the camera and we might be able to tell you!

reply to post by Starchild23


There is a stabilized version now

reply to post by gortex


It's great that someone took the time to process and stabilize this, but is it just me, or is it even more blurry and hard to interpret now?

OK, so I made an improved map, basically the same info as the other one, but improved and added some stuff too.
She says they were filming in the Canyon Highlands Road area (that is the blue line on the map).
The top pin is a centralized in that area, since she doesn't give a more exact location.
And even though she says they were filming toward the Grubbs Road, Acacia, Wynodette area in quite a few posts, you will see that those areas are completely S, SSE, and SE of the supposed filming location.
Then, if you actually have been reading the thread, she says that the filming was taking place completely to the West and WSW and SW direction, you will note the Oroville airport is in that direction. This can be confirmed by a post she made saying they had a digital compass with them at some point.
Another post she made says that she knows the area VERY WELL and that she is certain that the Grubbs Road area was over the Western horizon. As you can clearly see, it is not. She has also confirmed that the direction they were viewing was not S or SE at all....
So, if you still think that the airport wasn't in that direction and that the location of the airport is irrelevant, I don't know what to tell you.
Please read the whole thread, as this is like the 4th time I have posted this information.
Here is the map MAP

EDIT: Oh, I forgot to add information about the red lines.
Lower-most line (to Western end of Grubbs): Distance is about 5.8 NM
Line above this (to middle of Grubbs): Distance is about 6.66 NM
the reason I made these two lines to begin with was because at first it soudned to me (and everyone else, frankly) that she was saying that this was the area they were standing in when the footage was shot. I was showing the distance and direction to the airfield to either help or disprove the aircraft argument.

Line from Canyon Highlands to Grubbs area: Distance is about 5.25 NM
As far as I can tell, she says that this is the direction they were filming, but then again like I said, she says they were filming Westerly the whole time.

Line from Canyon Highlands to OVE: Distance is about 4.28 NM
This is a line that shows the direction and distance from an average point of the supposed viewing area (Canyon Highlands), and as best as I can figure, the viewing direction (Westerly).

From this info, we cannot rule out manmade aircraft as it surely appears that the largest airport in the immediate area is well within viewing distance and certainly in the field of view of the viewing direction.

Any thoughts?

Originally posted by gortex
There is a stabilized version now

In the stabilized version you actually get a better view of some of the navigation light flashes. People need to get out of the house more and look around.

Thanks to Gortex for getting that up quickly for us all.

I'm glad that someone took the time to try and get that stabilized.

The second sequence of images that I posted now begins, in the new stabilized video, at 06:36.

I hope everyone now takes the opportunity to watch this section of the video, full screen, best resolution possible.

I'd like to know what you all think.

Thanks again for your thoughts.

X.