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Its hard for the common person not to fall in tune with the state and government,when the vast majority of us not above the law,are threatened with prison from every possible angle every day of the week by tptb,who have enslaved us to a dollar bill that they have disgracefully adhered the words in god we trust upon...
Originally posted by harryhaller
Originally posted by defcon5
Think about this for a second.
When you give up freedom to the government for security, besides the obvious, what else are you doing? Your putting your faith in your protection in your government not in your God. If that is not worshiping your government as an idol, I don't know what is. You're allowing your God given freedom to be stripped in exchange for a safer and more worldly life.
It's very disheartening to see how quickly society falls into tune with the state.
Originally posted by DISRAELI
It seems to me that the "little horn", like the much-speaking second beast in Revelation ch13, is meant to represent an individual, which works against your interpretation of it.
Originally posted by DISRAELI
That's what I'm missing from your scenario. In your description of what the American government is doing or might be doing, I don't see an explicit demand to abandon loyalty to the Biblical God. If that demand isn't there, and people are not suffering death because of it, then we haven't got the situation that Revelation was designed to deal with.
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Originally posted by DISRAELI
You know, the link between first and second beasts is much more natural and straightforward if the second beast represents the leader of the state represented by the first beast.
2 Thessalonians 2-
9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Originally posted by defcon5
Unfortunately prophetic language doesn’t work that way, and beast's ALWAYS represent kingdoms, not kings.
So taking the Mark is a decision against God, which God recognises as such.
But if the Mark is such a reliable indicator of loyalty that it can be decisive even in the eyes of God, there are certain conditions which it must be able to meet;
The condition of voluntary loyalty (it can't be forced on you). Because if it could be imposed by physical force, then it would not be a genuine test of your loyalty.
The condition of conscious loyalty.(you must be aware of what you are doing). Because if it could be imposed by any kind of deception or trickery, then it would not be a genuine test of your loyalty.
Originally posted by DISRAELI
This view is not universally accepted.
There's a very popular line of interpretation, for example, which takes both beasts to be individuals.
Daniel 7-
23 “He gave me this explanation: ‘The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it. 24 The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom.
bible.cc...
New International Version (©1984)
'The four great beasts are four kingdoms that will rise from the earth.
New Living Translation (©2007)
"These four huge beasts represent four kingdoms that will arise from the earth.
in your hands he has placed all mankind and the beasts of the field and the birds in the sky. Wherever they live, he has made you ruler over them all. You are that head of gold.
39 “After you, another kingdom will arise, inferior to yours. Next, a third kingdom, one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth. 40 Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others.
The world ends everytime someone dies and around 150,000 people are dying every day,which is an awful lot of worlds ending all the time...
Originally posted by vicnc2012
I wish people would stop trying to find when time will end and cherish the time we do have left
I disagree.
Originally posted by DISRAELI
I did a thread on the Mark of the Beast, if that's what we're getting into.
I've always disliked the "tricked into taking the Mark" theory, on the grounds that the Mark is a badge of loyalty.