Anti-Zionism - An excuse to be openly an anti-semite

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Thank I am also a lover of Dune, it sets an example for all humans that time is meaningless, and whether we like it or not we are destined for great things as a species.

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Exactly we are all one people. It is the rich and powerful who have forgotten this. All the people of the world have more in common than we are led to believe, because of a few cultural differences.

In short being an Anti-Zionist doesn't exuse being an anti semite ., hating all Jews for the actions of the few is ethically wrong . Put it this way, Most Zionist are Jews, Not all Jews are Zionist , but ALL Christian fundamentalist ARE Zionist supporters. So one doesn't have to be Jewish to be a Zionist. The whole Zionism thing goes much more deeper than this . This just simply breaks it down .

A lot of posters on this site hide behind the Anti-Zionist label. Some are Anti-Semetic. Not all. Most are just Anti-USA/Israel.

They go to great lengths to bash the U.S. and Israel and then go to greater lengths to defend the evil leaders of the Iranian dictatorship.

It is getting a liitle ridiculous that being against the Zionist oppressors gives people a right to be downright hateful. It's sad. No one is innocent in this.

Originally posted by OpusMarkII
In short being an Anti-Zionist doesn't exuse being an anti semite ., hating all Jews for the actions of the few is ethically wrong . Put it this way, Most Zionist are Jews, Not all Jews are Zionist , but ALL Christian fundamentalist ARE Zionist supporters. So one doesn't have to be Jewish to be a Zionist. The whole Zionism thing goes much more deeper than this . This just simply breaks it down .

You are absolutely right, I can confirm cause I got Zionist Non-Jewish family and I also got lifelong Jewish Anti-Zionist friends telling me ever since, they would never move from Europe to Israel because they would not be able to cope with injustice done to Palestinians.

I often find myself frustrated with the policies Israel makes. But I feel bad for the Israeli people for having to be represented by tyranny. I do not think it is anti Semitic to be anti Zionist.
Since the Ottoman Empires influence on the area and up until the end of ww2 there have always been orthodox Jews living peacefully along with Arabs and Palestinians. It wasn't until the winners of ww2, with their nuclear tipped strong arm on the world that the creation of the "Jewish State" was made.
This of course was more about oil and strategic placement more than anything. For one thing ww2 failed to accomplish was the elimination of the Ottoman Empire. And that's where are the oil is.
All this would have been a fairly calm take-over/assimilation if not for the fact that the Ottoman Empire has the newest, if not the strongest and most vocal core of followers. They are deeply religious and sincerely take great offense to other world ideas corrupting their lifestyle. The fact that we have not left the middle east since we built a mandated Jewish State and have continued to assimilate and homogenize (through force if necessary) almost every country there is the number one reason why "they hate us".

So, anti-Zionism. How could that really mean anti-Semitic? Maybe to a naive, overly sensitive simpleton.

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I have known about this guy Pat Condell for a few years now beginning with his YouTube where he was almost beating to death after pissing some guys off in a bar...that's the way I remember his story anyway. Since then I have seen a number of his video which are not worth listing since I can say categorically that I don't like the guy and whatever he may say that is true is outweighed by his bull# opinions to the degree that on the scoreboard he is a negative 20 and thus, is just another lonely old man that will be gone soon. Meanwhile, he can take a long walk off a short pier for all I care.

Originally posted by forklift
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You should read the Talmud, Zionist manifesto and the protocols of Zion and than compare that to the original Torah which i don't think exists at this moment of time.

But if you do manage to find it, please read it and you will realize how Zionism and Judaism oppose each other.

As you might guess from my last post, I've already read as much of the Talmud as I care to. I disagree though, in that I think Zionism is a logical outgrowth of Judaism. Judaism is not the religion of the OT or the Torah - it never existed until after the Babylonian captivity. It was never called Judaism before that, as far as I know.

The very face that Israel is a Jew only country in theory is racist. Any other nationalists are called RACISTS. White nationalists, black nationalists, Latino nationalists, etc.

A Zionist is a Jewish Nationalist. They are racist........

Israel existing is as bad as a white only water fountain. Except it's worse, because it is a whole country.

So Sintabon, are you actually,(I'm just trying to understand your side here,) saying that there is no such thing as legitimate dislike for the policies of the Israeli government, or at least that they are so minimal relative to antisemitism that it is worthwhile to wholly shutdown any criticism of Zionism?

Or are you trying to say that it is evil of someone to hate ANY ideology?

Or are you saying that a government with a 'get out of jail free card' such as the Israeli government which all too often plays the anti-Semite card, will not abuse such..... privileges?

Zionists are pushing the march to a one world government, one world religion, and then the so called second coming in Israel. All it is is an enormous theatrical production that everyone is falling for.

I'd like to know how the OP explains the large number of Israeli peace activists who are opposed to their government and the treatment of the Palestinians. My best friend is Jewish and he is extremely saddened by his government. He think they're as bad as the nazis were. He grew up in South Africa and Israel and his opinion is that Israel is an apartheid state like SA was. There are no rights for anyone in that country unless they are Jewish.

That is really funny coming from him, He makes tons of youtube videos against Muslims, blaming the Muslims. How can he be so blind to himself doing the same thing? Only he's blind to the true criminals.

What does it mean to be a Semite?

Here is the Merriam Webster definition of Semite.

I may be anti-Israel or anti-Jewish but I surly am not an anti-Semite.

How the Jews coined the term "anti-Semite" to mean anti-Jewish is beyond me. It's just another subversive tactic that shows their blatant dishonesty.

The people in this thread make me laugh.

The definition of the term "Zionism"

Do you realize, that there are *MANY* definitions to the above term?

MANY, let me attempt to enlighten you numskulls,

en.wikipedia.org...

The fact that I have seen such absurd definitions in this and other threads at ATS tells me the general population is ignorant with regards to the *many* definitions of the term Zionism. Before you blast your ignorance please read the following from beginning to end:

en.wikipedia.org...

There is a religious Islamic view on the term, there is a religious Jewish view on the term, there is a religious Christian view on the term, do you understand this? Those are only 3, we haven't even started talking about the political uses of the term. There is a political Arabian view on the term, there is a political Jewish view on the term, there is a political American view on the term. The list goes on and on and on and on and on, again I ask that you read the following from beginning to end, because I highly doubt most of you have done so:

en.wikipedia.org...

Before you rant and rave why you hate or love Zionism please state your country of origin. As for my view on Zionism, I won't even post my view, I will simply ask that everyone here collectively read up on the *many* different definitions of the term:

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by MagnumOpus

the term anti Semitic is a mind trick and should always be identified and rejected.
the primary Semitic language is Arabic, not Hebrew, which is down the list.
Labeling someone an anti semite is calling them a hater of ARABIC speakers and writers.
Not Jews.
Strange this term is so pervasive.
not a criticism of your post, just a clarification

reply to post by flyingunknown


I agree. It's largely semantics.

Zionism just deflects from the true problem.

It is a Jew problem - an Edomite one specifically.

whoever came up with the whole scam is quite a genius!! imagine doing and saying WHATEVER the hell you want, and when someone else should object, utter a simple word and instantly drown them in guilt and shame!!

anti-semite crap is losing it's magic, so try to still manipulate with it while you can, the window to sell that war with iran is closing fast!

Khazarian Jews are not semites, what do they care?