"180" Movie - A Few Minutes that may change your mind about Abortion

Well holy smokes they aren't very subtle with how the want the viewer to feel.

Spoon fed propaganda.

Wow, if that video wasn't propaganda filled BS than I don't know what is.
That only further rooted me into my stance on that it should be a CHOICE.

YOU do not get to chose what I do with an un-sentient fetus inside of me. The only one that gets that choice is ME.

reply to post by navy_vet_stg3


There you go again, diverting from the topic and attacking the poster, all the while either lying or misinterpreting what I said. As already stated many times, I watched the video. But 2 minutes in its slant was obvious, hence my quick post.

So feel free to call me an idiot for responding quickly. The fact of the matter is I am not the one who is dodging the topic.

reply to post by Believer101


The Bill of Rights says you're wrong. Ask any biological scientist.. life begins at conception. Cells start dividing.... that is life. At that moment, you no longer have a right to stop that life... because that's a crime and you should go to prison for it.. we call it murder.

You were once an egg and a sperm that met and became a living being. We all were... had your parents made the choice like you just claimed you want ... you wouldn't be here to make that choice. So either a fertilized egg is a life or it isn't... and science says you're wrong.

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady

Originally posted by vkey08
reply to post by sad_eyed_lady

 

See fo rme it was life or death and I chose to live.. I was only 12 and kinda wanted to grow up and not die on some operating table because some jerk decided I was "cute" Sorry again I can't say as I would have liked dying at that point just so a 3 week old fetus could live....

Are you talking about yourself? Is this theoretical? Do you think 12 year olds can't safely deliver babies? I worked with an 11 year old who had natural child birth. You're throwing a bunch of stuff all together and it isn't convincing me that abortion is the solution here.

1) It's not a theoretical it happened, and no i am not saying for a moment that all 12 year olds can't deliver safely, but there are occasions, where the life of the older child has to be taken into account. In my case it was clear cut, if i had carried term I would be dead, no theory no guessing, cold fact. Is it your opinion then that I should have given my life up for a situation I didn't ask for, nor consent to, just to save the at that point very early on fetus? If so we have nothing further to discuss because that makes you no better than what you are trying to prevent. Murder one to save another, two wrongs and all that.

2) I never have ever in my life said abortion should be used like birth control, but only under strict controls, that well, would have to be laid out, I am not saying what those should be because offhand I can think of at least 50 where it would be left up to the woman to choose.

3) I notice all the religious undertone in some of your posts, I am not Christian, nor have I ever been, nor will I ever be, please can you discuss this without falling on "God says" as the answer?

4) My final thought for this evening. I stated before and you must have missed it, I have 3 children, not one of them I ever considered terminating, why? Because they were my choice to have, maybe not when they came, but i know I wanted them, and I do everything in my power to keep them safe. I know they will never have families of their own, I know I will be taking care of them into adulthood, I know my youngest won't live to see her 16th birthday, but that makes me love them and cherish them even more. However, had I been forced at gunpoint, to bear one of them, I would never be able to give them that unconditional love that I do now, the scars and the reminders of the act that created them would be too much to deal with, it would have been better off if they weren't. You would take that choice away.

oh and before i forget... I'm adopted, the hatred I have towards my birthmother for giving my twin and I up is immense. I would have rather lived in abject poverty, and been happy knowing that she who bore me cared, than know she could care less what happened to us because we were the product of a night of drunk sex. And ya know I know a lot of adopted children that feel the same way as I (again not all, that would be a generalization I am not willing to make.)

Take it or leave it, just dont' condem me for my choice to stay alive.

reply to post by captaintyinknots


Your opinion isn't worth any more than anyone else's on this subject. But science says you are wrong. When an egg is fertilized, it's a life. Cell division happens. You were once that way as we all were... you can't have it both ways. Breathing, Conciousness etc don't mean anything. Cell division is life .. and thus it is a person, just not fully formed yet.

Oh boy! What a kettle of fish this has netted ey!
I have to say, if that guy came up to me with a camera pointed at me, I'd be inclined to answer fairly conservatively - and I think, most of those people interviewed, especially the women, were influenced by the camera -
Ok, I am TheEmotionalSocialist, I am a Christian, (New Testament Christian), not that I have a problem with the old testy, but I believe in the JC and his bible was written after his time - I am NOT anti-jew/semetic/zion - I believe in Karma, Evolution, and all kinds of stuff - So, that said -
Who the hell does that guy think he is? I tell you what he is; pretty clever, not overly clever though, to try to manipulate the way people think using guilt - What do Nazis, and the holocaust have to do with abortion??? Nudda folks, nothing, zilch -
"It's ok to kill a baby in the womb...when?" This asked with camera pointing and after a whole lot of attempted-guilt provoking lectures -
Well, mate, I can tell you quite a few reasons why and when -
1. Young girl/woman, mentally disabled, needs someone to wipe her butt, and do her day to day thinking, raped by male carer, pregnant -
2. Young girl/woman gang raped, no idea who they were -
3. Young girl/woman raped by dude with AIDS -
4. Woman with way too many kids, told by doc she'll probably die if she continues with pregnancy, and her 12 kids won't have a Mum -
5. Woman told her unborn will have a serious medical condition that will probably ruin her marriage, her life and the unborn will be severely disabled
6. Young girl/woman with strict parents who will kick her out of her home if they knew she was pregnant, even though she was raped by father's brother, or brother, or father, or cousin, or neighbour, or local priest/vicar, pastor, etc -
Ok there's SIX (6) - Just 6 - Is that enough? I'm sure I could come up with a lot more -

This is the world we have to live in, NOW, the hell of the after life is a long way off, we don't even know if it's real - most of us do our best to live 'good' lives, we don't break the old testy commandments if we can avoid them - If Karma is gonna get us for 'whatever' - then so be it - I would think Karma would have a big 'say' in the judgement of the rapists and peds a whole lot more than some poor woman with no options (don't let's kid ourselves that 'there is help out there' for woman with any of the six above mentioned 'reason's, maybe there are, for a couple of them, but going to hell is not going to be a biggy for NOT going ahead with said abortion)
Pro Lifers are generally Christian -- What if we aren't Christian? Bugger off and let the women choose for themselves - Be assured, Pro Lifers, you'll go to the Kingdom of God with a clear conscience, you don't have to hound all of us sinners -

I dont have time to read the whole thread, just wanted to say S + F to the OP for posting this. Great video! I saw this a couple of weeks ago and was blown away.

And as for propaganda.... mainstream science does it, what makes this video different. The guy is just discussing things with people. If you dont agree... well it is a free country.

Funny how we can talk about anything, but the moment someone says Jesus, everybody attacks them.

Originally posted by Twainfan
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

Your opinion isn't worth any more than anyone else's on this subject. But science says you are wrong. When an egg is fertilized, it's a life. Cell division happens. You were once that way as we all were... you can't have it both ways. Breathing, Conciousness etc don't mean anything. Cell division is life .. and thus it is a person, just not fully formed yet.

Yea its life, but when you call it a person, thats an opinion. When you say it is murder, thats an opinion. That is your belief. We as a society determine what is a person, and what is murder, not god. If we did it based on what god says, we would have to pick one god, Thus ending religious freedom. That is why it stays a choice. Can't you see the double standards you guys are creating for yourselves? You can't say we want religious freedom, and then on the other hand say religion should dictate our policies.

Cells start dividing.... that is life

Hairs are cells, are they people? Can we lock you up for cutting your hair or shaving?

reply to post by SubAce


"Thou shall not kill". Murder is murder and we have no right to extinguish life. How about taking responsibility where responsibility is due and giving the child up for adoption.

Originally posted by TheEmotionalSocialist
Oh boy! What a kettle of fish this has netted ey!
I have to say, if that guy came up to me with a camera pointed at me, I'd be inclined to answer fairly conservatively - and I think, most of those people interviewed, especially the women, were influenced by the camera -
Ok, I am TheEmotionalSocialist, I am a Christian, (New Testament Christian), not that I have a problem with the old testy, but I believe in the JC and his bible was written after his time - I am NOT anti-jew/semetic/zion - I believe in Karma, Evolution, and all kinds of stuff - So, that said -
Who the hell does that guy think he is? I tell you what he is; pretty clever, not overly clever though, to try to manipulate the way people think using guilt - What do Nazis, and the holocaust have to do with abortion??? Nudda folks, nothing, zilch -
"It's ok to kill a baby in the womb...when?" This asked with camera pointing and after a whole lot of attempted-guilt provoking lectures -
Well, mate, I can tell you quite a few reasons why and when -
1. Young girl/woman, mentally disabled, needs someone to wipe her butt, and do her day to day thinking, raped by male carer, pregnant -
2. Young girl/woman gang raped, no idea who they were -
3. Young girl/woman raped by dude with AIDS -
4. Woman with way too many kids, told by doc she'll probably die if she continues with pregnancy, and her 12 kids won't have a Mum -
5. Woman told her unborn will have a serious medical condition that will probably ruin her marriage, her life and the unborn will be severely disabled
6. Young girl/woman with strict parents who will kick her out of her home if they knew she was pregnant, even though she was raped by father's brother, or brother, or father, or cousin, or neighbour, or local priest/vicar, pastor, etc -
Ok there's SIX (6) - Just 6 - Is that enough? I'm sure I could come up with a lot more -

This is the world we have to live in, NOW, the hell of the after life is a long way off, we don't even know if it's real - most of us do our best to live 'good' lives, we don't break the old testy commandments if we can avoid them - If Karma is gonna get us for 'whatever' - then so be it - I would think Karma would have a big 'say' in the judgement of the rapists and peds a whole lot more than some poor woman with no options (don't let's kid ourselves that 'there is help out there' for woman with any of the six above mentioned 'reason's, maybe there are, for a couple of them, but going to hell is not going to be a biggy for NOT going ahead with said abortion)
Pro Lifers are generally Christian -- What if we aren't Christian? Bugger off and let the women choose for themselves - Be assured, Pro Lifers, you'll go to the Kingdom of God with a clear conscience, you don't have to hound all of us sinners -

Wow, bravo very well said.

Thats it though isn't it, there is some kind of obligation to make sure no one sins, and they will go to whatever lengths to do that, whether it be genocide ( native americans) or conquest ( america ). When will it end? When we stop pushing our BELIEFS on other people and forcing them to comply. Isn't this supposed to be a country with religious freedom? Why in the pledge of allegiance theres a reference to god, which god is this? Why does every president say "god bless america" what god is that? What if I don't believe in god? Well then I guess I can't be president, so much for religous freedom.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
reply to post by SubAce

 

The second that baby is born its a human life.
Every minute up until then it is not.

I'm going to have to stop you here for a second. I read a few of your posts and I think you're being a tad over zealous about the abortion thing. I'm pro-choice for the record but you're very wrong on a key issue. Do you even know what a trimester is in regards to fetal development? So your mom gave birth to you at 11:45 am but at 11:44 you weren't living? Get a grip kid.

As soon as the third trimester happens, it's too late to do anything. Not only would performing an abortion at this stage be sick and disgusting, but it would most likely kill the mother. Are you trying to tell us you don't see a problem with that? I'm sure there will be a plethora of people here responding to you soon.

Originally posted by Egyptia
reply to post by SubAce

 

"Thou shall not kill". Murder is murder and we have no right to extinguish life. How about taking responsibility where responsibility is due and giving the child up for adoption.

Yea pretty responsible to just dump your responsiblity on someone else. We have no right to distinguish life? Man I guess we're all murderes, you know cause of all the animals and plants we've killed for food.

This post is more about the holocaust than abortion and at 12mins in I don't see the link. One thing I will say so far though is that the interviewers attitude is terrible.

Not only would these people not be able to give an honest answer as they had never gone through the atrocities but to further probe the people asking why they would or wouldn't carry out these actions is wrong. Although I find it strange that many have not heard of Hitler; interrogating interviewees is not going to achieve anything positive

The interviewee is manipulative and I don't find this video tasteful at all. Using the holocaust to further reinforce his argument is distasteful

Originally posted by Egyptia
How about taking responsibility where responsibility is due and giving the child up for adoption.

Well I'm sure a couple of posters on this thread wouldn't have a problem with that if it was at all possible, but the problem is there is no way a young teenage victim of rape can force the guy that raped her to take responsibility for his actions and carry the pregnancy full term....

Only the girls have to bear this,even if they didn't willingly cooperate....

Find a way to make men take this responsibility

S

Originally posted by Twainfan
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

Your opinion isn't worth any more than anyone else's on this subject. But science says you are wrong. When an egg is fertilized, it's a life. Cell division happens. You were once that way as we all were... you can't have it both ways. Breathing, Conciousness etc don't mean anything. Cell division is life .. and thus it is a person, just not fully formed yet.

1)please show me where I have said my opinion is more important that others. Please. Show me. The fact is, I have said exactly the opposite.

2)for at least the 12th time, I have never, ever claimed that no life is involved. Why do you all continue to feel the need to distort and lie? Oh, right, because otherwise you have no argument


3)life does not = a person. To claim this is an amazing show of naivite.

4)science does not disagree with me, which is why we distinguish between a zygote, and embryo, a fetus anda baby. Look guys, science!!!

Originally posted by Egyptia
reply to post by SubAce

 

"Thou shall not kill". Murder is murder and we have no right to extinguish life. How about taking responsibility where responsibility is due and giving the child up for adoption.

Anyone with ANY knowledge of the deplorable state of our adoption and foster systems would not make this argument.

So, I'm going to pose this one more time, just so that it is clear that all the anti-choicers in this thread are avoiding the question:

It is well established that many of you are dead-set against abortion. What I want to know is why those people think it is their place to try and force others, or even convince them, that they should not have aan abortion, or that they should not be allowed to?

I am pro-choice, and would NEVER try to convince someone that they should have an abortion that they do not want to have. Why do others feel the need to try and force people to not have them when they want to?

Ohh boy! Look people its Ray Comfort AKA Banana man. He's a Golden crockaduck winner I think.

Do not listen to this man or his ramblings/propaganda. To put it nicely he has the IQ of a goldfish.

Yea Abortion is pretty traumatic for both woman and fetus and personally if I were a female I not sure if I could go through with it. But at the same time it's her body and her choice. Who the **** are you to judge others and tell them how to live because you don't agree with their stance on a certain point. What makes you so much better then them?

How about get down off you pedestal, stop pretending your stuff don't stink. Honestly if a 15 year old girl get raped by some 40 year old slimebag and gets pregnant who are you to tell them what to do with the fetus? Does it hurt you personally? No. Will it destroy your way of life? No.