Why are some ATS members ignoring the obvious fact that Modern America is connected to Hitlers Nazi

Originally posted by WozaMeathed

Yeah they were some of the most brilliant murderous minds that the USA gave a war crime's pardon and a new life to.
Brilliant,,,,, just brilliant.

Yeah, those scientists sure drew up all the plans for the final solution, and decided for themselves to work on eugenics, huh? Was Einstein murderous? How about Wernher Von Braun?

I wonder how The USA government forced them to work.??????????
What do you think????????
Was it with Violence or a War crime's trial or was it just for money..
Im betting it was all three.

The US hired them....they're just scientists lol...
Would you not want brilliant minds of the country with the most technological advancements to work for you?

No one mentioned controlled, i said CONNECTED.
See the difference?

seeing as you said

modern America is based on practices by Hitler and his 3rd Reich.

No, I don't really see a difference

Talk about delusional.

Yes I'm aware you are.

Originally posted by reaxi0n


Was Einstein murderous?

Dont know.? But Einstien went to America before WW2.

In 1933, under death threats from the Nazis and despised by the Nazi-controlled German press, Einstein and Elsa moved to the United States to Princeton, New Jersey, after feeling the heat of Nazi Germany and in 1940 he became a United States citizen.

Here's a link for you.
simple.wikipedia.org...
He wasn't part of Paperclip. So that part of your arguement has no bearing on this thread.

How about Wernher Von Braun?

YES HE WAS. The weapons he made killed people.
The V2 rockets and others that he help design terrorised and killed innocent civilians all around the world.
So YES he was murderous terrorist.

The US hired them....they're just scientists lol...
Would you not want brilliant minds of the country with the most technological advancements to work for you?

Not if they were murderous inhumane sadistic bastards, of which they were.
So no i wouldn't hire them.

ETA. Hitler was brilliant in my ways too.
So would you have also condoned him being employed by your government after ww2????

An argument can easily be made that we are all connected to advancements. The first roads were built somewhere and then the first paved roads followed.

reply to post by WozaMeathed

He wasn't part of Paperclip. So that part of your arguement has no bearing on this thread.

I say it does. Here is my earlier post again, regarding Jewish "war criminals"......

Here's a question..... What about all of the Jewish scientists that left Germany because Hitler came to power? The ones that basically made the atomic bomb possible for the US. You know, that dreaded atomic bomb, the one that I always see touted on this site as what defines the US as war criminals in WWII? What does that make those Jewish scientists? Mass murderers, right? Co-conspirators, at least. Those Jewish scientists must have been Nazis too, right? They joined the same evil country as the Paperclip scientists did!

Now here is what you just said about von Braun:

YES HE WAS. The weapons he made killed people. The V2 rockets and others that he help design terrorised and killed innocent civilians all around the world. So YES he was murderous terrorist.

Replace V2 in your above sentence with ATOM BOMB and you have a list of Jewish scientists that worked for the US(and also were German) that fall into the category of murderous terrorist.... and those two atom bombs killed far more people than all the V2's did.

reply to post by WozaMeathed

Yes...I see the similarities in the current administration!
Hitler's plan was to control the 3 M's--The media;the masses and the military.
The Democratic Socialist Party and their leader--Did control the masses;Stiil controls the media and is still working on controling the military....All they need is 4 more years to complete their destructive task!
The Terrorist Within!

With the 'corrupt & racist' Federal Justice Dept. and Supreme Court on their side how can they lose!

reply to post by WozaMeathed
If you want to find someone that designed a weapon that killed a whole lot more people than the V2 and atomic bombs combined, look to Russia.....

Mikail Kalashnikov

One of his inventions has made possible the deaths of millions of people.

It's the most effective killing machine in human history - a gun that, on its 62nd birthday, is still killing as many as a quarter of a million people every year, in every corner of the globe.

Source

Oh, but he isn't a Nazi that came to the US, so it is OK?

Murderous is murderous as far as I know. Ask a Jew who he would rather be killed by: A Nazi, A Soviet Commissar or a Radical Islamic terrorist.......

Originally posted by WozaMeathed

Dont know.? But Einstien went to America before WW2.

In 1933, under death threats from the Nazis and despised by the Nazi-controlled German press, Einstein and Elsa moved to the United States to Princeton, New Jersey, after feeling the heat of Nazi Germany and in 1940 he became a United States citizen.

Here's a link for you.
simple.wikipedia.org...
He wasn't part of Paperclip. So that part of your arguement has no bearing on this thread.

So? He helped the US develop the atomic bomb lol. Of course it has bearing, it's included with everything you're saying.

YES HE WAS. The weapons he made killed people.
The V2 rockets and others that he help design terrorised and killed innocent civilians all around the world.
So YES he was murderous terrorist.

Oh so any scientist who has contributed to any kind of development that could be used to harm people is a murderous terrorist. Sorry, not biting on that one. That's just stupid. We also wouldn't have landed on the moon if it weren't for him. Not to mention he was forced into working for the Nazi party like a majority of scientists....

HE surrendered to America, he wasn't captured or forced to.

"We knew that we had created a new means of warfare, and the question as to what nation, to what victorious nation we were willing to entrust this brainchild of ours was a moral decision more than anything else. We wanted to see the world spared another conflict such as Germany had just been through, and we felt that only by surrendering such a weapon to people who are guided by the Bible could such an assurance to the world be best secured.”

The words of a true murderous sick sadistic terrorist, huh?

Not if they were murderous inhumane sadistic bastards, of which they were.
So no i wouldn't hire them.

I think you've played a little too much Castle Wolfenstein because that's an opinion with no fact behind it.

ETA. Hitler was brilliant in my ways too.
So would you have also condoned him being employed by your government after ww2????

This is just gold. Hitler....brilliant?
Sorry but that's a weak argument. What exactly was the brilliant part about sitting back and ordering people to kill Jews for you?

Malcher-
My personal belief is that if you take Adolf Hitler out of the equation then WW2 would never have happened. Sure he found a relative handful of people to comprise his inner circle but you can find those same people in any society.

All Hitler did was rally the German people together. This wouldn't have happened if Germany wasn't being virtually raped by the neighboring, victorious powers from WWI (specifically the French). The want to rise up again was a national feeling, not just Hitler's.

And just remember, Hitler was under the employment of German intelligence when he first started forming his core group. He didn't just come out of nowhere.

"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it"

Well obviously people who learn form history or are aware of history still repeat it. That catch phrase is meant for dim wits.

I mean...there may be a smattering of truth to it but at the same time is very simplistic. Life is more complicated than a one line sound bite.

No, actually the saying is meant for people who actually have power, and people with power aren't "dimwits". In fact, the point of the saying is that people with power tend to employ the same aggressive and violent tactics to maintain their power as the same villians that they demonize from the pages of history.

Do you think that when future students read about the USA in textbooks that it will make the US out to be some model society? No, it will specifically focus on what the US did wrong and will compare it to other failed empires. The US will be compared to the Nazis for many reasons, but the fact that the US government is proto-fascist will overshadow any nazi insignia that some of its military units adopt.

we play with such symbols to scare our enemy,not to revive the Reichstag. You also forgot to mention that the CIA was also derived from some SS guys.

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


Hitler did not just come out of nowhere, he did serve in WW1, but i think he fell under the radar after that. Interestingly enough, the Russian version of events leading up to, during and post WW2 is basically identical to the U.S and rest of Europe.

Which begs the question: Do you agree with this timeline?

www.historyplace.com...