Why are some ATS members ignoring the obvious fact that Modern America is connected to Hitlers Nazi

Originally posted by reaxi0n
reply to post by prisoneronashipoffools

 

So what is it with this site? Why are people here so schizophrenic, seriously?

Are the Nazis the new controlling power of the US instead of Zionist Neocon Jews? Is this the new theory?

No it's not a place for schizophrenics, but apparently a place for people who are ignorant of history and conspiracy theories in general, as you clearly show.

First, of all never said that. I only pointed out the fact, that the CIA worked with Reinhard Gehlen, turned a blind eye towards and even helped his organization shuttle nazi war criminals to south america. Those are facts not the ramblings of a nutter.

Second, I also pointed out how many of current enemies were former allies. That is a fact as well, not insane ramblings.

And finally as far as the theory, that you in your post, suggested and not I, ie that the nazis infiltrated the US, that is actually an old conspiracy theory not a new one.

Like I said your post and many of the posts like it just shows that ATS is actually not a place for schizophrenics or even conspiracy theorists anymore, but apparently also ignorant gung ho blindly pro ameriKan idiots.

Originally posted by prisoneronashipoffools

No it's not a place for schizophrenics, but apparently a place for people who are ignorant of history and conspiracy theories in general, as you clearly show.

So because I don't believe a schizophrenic conspiracy theory, I am ignorant. I see.

First, of all never said that. I only pointed out the fact, that the CIA worked with Reinhard Gehlen, turned a blind eye towards and even helped his organization shuttle nazi war criminals to south america. Those are facts not the ramblings of a nutter.

I was not referring to you specifically but I find it silly how you took such personal offense.

Second, I also pointed out how many of current enemies were former allies. That is a fact as well, not insane ramblings.

So this must mean America is controlled by Nazis, right?

And finally as far as the theory, that you in your post, suggested and not I, ie that the nazis infiltrated the US, that is actually an old conspiracy theory not a new one.

I know it's an old one, but now it is popping up again due to the Marine sniper's SS flag that was meant to represent scout snipers.

Like I said your post and many of the posts like it just shows that ATS is actually not a place for schizophrenics or even conspiracy theorists anymore, but apparently also ignorant gung ho blindly pro american idiots.

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edit on 14-2-2012 by prisoneronashipoffools because: correction

gung ho blindly pro american idiot, huh?
how did you come up with that assessment? are you a bigot?
Not to mention the fact this isn't even in a conspiracy forum, it's in Middle East issues. I apologize you're not getting the reaction you would like.

ETA: You can edit, re-edit, and resubmit your post as man times as you'd wish, it doesn't make you any more clever

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well if you weren't referring to me specifically then it was your mistake for replying to my post. Sorry, if I took it personally when my account name was listed at the top of your reply.

As far as re editing. I will admit I suck at typing, so yes I do have to correct my posts often just the way it is.

As, you being ignorant to history, you do seem to be. There is great deal of evidence of the US involvement with and gain from the Nazi party.

Prior to our entering the war many prominent individuals and groups in the US supported the Nazi's; Marget Singer gave accolades to Hitler for the Nazi Eugenics program; in fact the history of the eugenics movement in America is pretty grim if you bother to research that. Henry Ford openly thought the Nazi party was great. IBM worked hand and hand with the Nazi's on making their labor camps and their final solution camps run very efficiently. Prescott Bush even held gold for the Nazi's gold that was later seized by the US government under the trading with the enemy act. There are many, many more examples if you bother to actually look for yourself. History is fun.

And as far as you being "blindly" pro American, you seem to be. There is a difference between loving your nation and loving your nation so much you turn a blind eye to their sins.

Originally posted by prisoneronashipoffools

And as far as you being "blindly" pro American, you seem to be. There is a difference between loving your nation and loving your nation so much you turn a blind eye to their sins.

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I'll look more into this 'theory' but from what I've researched regarding the controlling people of this nation, Israel seems more suspect than Nazi Germany.

Unless of course the long line of Neocon Jews that run this nation exaggerated the Holocaust to gain sympathy. Then in that case the Nazis would be made out worse than they actually were. But I still find more merit in a Jew controlled America.

I quoted this "blind eye" line just to say that I'm not blind at all. People find ATS for a reason, do they not? It's just I find this specific theory silly.

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Well, personally I don't put much merit in the jewish control theory myself, mainly for two reasons; one, if you examine the so called jewish controllers, most are pretty much jewish in name only, and if you look into the history of the reformation of ISrael a lot of that actually goes back to Rothshield and even more Nazi involvement, plus add to the fact that Rothshield actually helped fund and support the Nazi's in the first place it fast becomes a tangled web.

As far as you not giving creedance to the nazi control theory, fair enough. I don't agree with every theory that comes down the pike either, nor do I slag people for havering differing opinions on theories or different theories of their own. I respect people's right to their opinions and respect people even more that fight for their positions in a debate. I personally don't agree with the Jewish control theory, but we will have to agree to disagree on that.

Anyway, thanks for the discussion and debate.

Edit* Also I should clarify and say though I do think many Nazi's moved into and infiltrated the US, I don't really believe the Nazi's took over, more that the same players that funded and controlled the Nazi's are the same forces that control the US. The Nazi's were just one vehicle for their control and many organizations and movements through out history; even many that seem Ideologically contradictory, have been funded and used by the same masters.

All one has to do is look at the anti-smoking Nazi's here in the United States, and the connection is obvious.

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by prisoneronashipoffools


Fair enough, maybe I shouldn't condemn the theory that others believe in just because I find it silly.

If the Rothschilds are Jews, and they were in cahoots with the Nazis, then this is really not making sense here.

thats hard to say on a conspiracy site because the nazis were supposedly using ancient advanced technology or decodings or translations of such to power their imagined machinations. so it would be counter to believe america is just connected to hitler as u say that to assume america and other powers who come initiated into certain ancient technologies or sciences are connected.

Much of what the OP says is historical fact, however the conquered Germans and Nazi scientists were expected to adapt to American norms, rather than vice-versa.

But what were the norms of the US and Soviet victors? One line of defense at Nuremberg was that the Americans had done medical experiments, and engaged in genocidal and racist policies.

Perhaps what we call "Nazis" were just a visible form of beliefs held in institutions of power for thousands of years.

I just wonder, if America became "Nazi America", then what would be some current examples of its concentration camps?

Originally posted by reaxi0n
reply to post by prisoneronashipoffools

 

Fair enough, maybe I shouldn't condemn the theory that others believe in just because I find it silly.

If the Rothschilds are Jews, and they were in cahoots with the Nazis, then this is really not making sense here.

Well there is the rub, the rothschields are not really all that jewish and it actually makes sense when you research their history. For ages they made money and gained power by funding both sides of wars. If you look at the fact that they funded the Nazi's and even funded communist movements; which the Nazi's though socialist opposed communists, it starts to make sense, because what could be a better gig, if you make money funding two sides of war, then actually funding opposing ideological movements, empowering both and then sitting back and getting a return on your investment, supplying both sides in future conflicts.

Originally posted by halfoldman
Much of what the OP says is historical fact, however the conquered Germans and Nazi scientists were expected to adapt to American norms, rather than vice-versa.

But what were the norms of the US and Soviet victors? One line of defense at Nuremberg was that the Americans had done medical experiments, and engaged in genocidal and racist policies.

Perhaps what we call "Nazis" were just a visible form of beliefs held in institutions of power for thousands of years.

I just wonder, if America became "Nazi America", then what would be some current examples of its concentration camps?

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Well, like I said in an earlier post I think it is more that the same master that controlled the Nazi's control The US, more then the Nazi's infiltrated, but to answer your question I can think of two correlations between the concentration camps and eugenics. One could easily argue that our prisons are the modern version of concentration camps, since for what ever reason their is a high concentration of minority populations incarcerated and planned parent hood, with it's pushing of contraception and abortion could be seen as the modern eugenics movement, of course if you look at the history of planned parenthood and it's founder you will find she held eugenic ideals as well.

Originally posted by prisoneronashipoffools

Originally posted by reaxi0n
reply to post by prisoneronashipoffools

 

Fair enough, maybe I shouldn't condemn the theory that others believe in just because I find it silly.

If the Rothschilds are Jews, and they were in cahoots with the Nazis, then this is really not making sense here.

Well there is the rub, the rothschields are not really all that jewish and it actually makes sense when you research their history. For ages they made money and gained power by funding both sides of wars. If you look at the fact that they funded the Nazi's and even funded communist movements; which the Nazi's though socialist opposed communists, it starts to make sense, because what could be a better gig, if you make money funding two sides of war, then actually funding opposing ideological movements, empowering both and then sitting back and getting a return on your investment, supplying both sides in future conflicts.

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That actually makes a lot of sense.

Do you have any links so I can start reading on their involvement with the Nazis? This is starting to sound more interesting. I've never heard this theory backed up with facts like this. Most "facts" I've heard for this theory have been speculation mixed with random truth here and there.

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Israel is a tool, just as Hitler and the Nazis were. The Nazis aren't the beginning or the end of the conspiracy, they are but a chapter in a very long plot for control. The "Jews" fulfill that same need. Playing both sides is all part of the game. Both are extremely powerful forces, yet both are very much pawns, pushing the rest of the pieces into predictable patterns all for the sake of control.

Some more research into this conspiracy might open your eyes a bit.

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Sure I don't mind. It will take me a little while to gather a list though.

Really, the sheer amount of information can be daunting and in the end, there is experts on both sides that refute each others claims, so in the end it becomes hard to separate the myth from fact, maybe inextricably so, since the family is rather secretive and tight with their own records and history; only allowing certain people to peruse their archives and records.

In the end you will have to make up your mind for yourself, which is actually good and healthy in my opinion, but there is defiantly, much fuel for thought.

Anyway, please give me some time to gather them though. It has actually been a few years since I took my journey into looking into their family, so I don't have a list of links off the top of my head, or even know how many links, I have are still current, etc.

reply to post by prisoneronashipoffools


It's alright, thanks a lot for taking the time to do that. Feel free to send me a U2U with them when you get them together, if you want.

I'll be back on later on tonight or something.
Peace

And exactly why is this thread in the "Middle East Issues" part of the forum?

Spent a lot of time reading through the thread, but not really making a connection between the OP and the Middle East

The modern world is connected to Hitler's Nazi. Neither the US nor Iran have a one up on Nazi connections. Yes, Operation Paperclip was real. The US took in Nazi spies and scientists. It was not because the US was embracing Nazism. It was because the new threat had already emerged in Soviet Communism. Hitler was yesterday's problems, but he put together some guys who knew a lot about the Soviets (or so our Intelligence thought) and who were pretty advanced with weapon design. It was a bit of a no-brainer.
Prescott Bush was a traitor, but his actions do not represent the entire U.S. government any more than the actions of the Rosenbergs. He just got away with it. Membership in the elite has its privileges.
Has modern America taken on characteristics of fascism? Absolutely. This in no way implies any direct connection to Hitler and German Nazism.
The Iran argument in the other thread is bogus too (and slightly more ludicrous)

Hitler was a British Agent

The plot thickens, eh?

The Nazis knew defeat was imminent (decided?) in 1943, and many made off with masses
of wealth to south America, Australia and New Zealand before the wars end.
Hitler himself survived the war, leaving one of his 5 dopplegangers
to bite the bullet.

Alan Dullus and George H.W. Bush were Nazis. The Neo-Cons Are Nazis.
They didn't die. They were just sleeping.

Patriot Act = Hitler's Enabling Act

Originally posted by WozaMeathed
This thread is directed towards all those that dont believe that the modern America and it Military ARE connected with WW2 NAZI Germany.

After reading some post and threads on ATS of late i have come to the conclusion that many people here are Ignorant to the fact that modern America is based on practices by Hitler and his 3rd Reich.

Here's a link about the 3rd Reich
en.wikipedia.org...

So after WW2 Hitler's henchmen were recruited by the USA and The USSR.
This was called Operation Paperclip by the Americans and this recruitment of Nazi scientists and military personel helped shape modern day America.
Operation Paperclip is when America forced Nazi's that were captured during WW2 to work for them after the war.
Heres a link for those that dont know about Operation paperclip.
en.wikipedia.org...

And here's a video about it.

Also America's space feats wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for the NAZI's.

Here's another link. This one is About the NAZI Von Braun the leader of the American space race.
en.wikipedia.org...
Here's another link about him.
www.history.ac.uk...

So for all those that think that there is no connection between Modern America and WW2 Nazi Germany well,,,,,,, you ARE mistaken.


If anyone can add more Info to this discussion i would appreciate it.

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Hmmm...

In the other thread,we were talking about the obvious fact,that Iran is connected to Hitlers Nazi.

Its too bad those on ATS ignored that also...............

The connections go even further....the present day anti-semitism in the US today is rampant, it comes from the Kennedy's also.

As fiercely anti-Communist as they were anti-Semitic, Kennedy and Astor looked upon Adolf Hitler as a welcome solution to both of these"world problems" (Nancy's phrase). No member of the so-called"Cliveden Set" (the informal cabal of appeasers who met frequently at Nancy Astor's palatial home) seemed much concerned with the dilemma faced by Jews under the Reich. Astor wrote Kennedy that Hitler would have to do more than just"give a rough time" to"the killers of Christ" before she'd be in favor of launching"Armageddon to save them. The wheel of history swings round as the Lord would have it. Who are we to stand in the way of the future?" Kennedy replied that he expected the"Jew media" in the United States to become a problem, that"Jewish pundits in New York and Los Angeles" were already making noises contrived to"set a match to the fuse of the world." During May of 1938, Kennedy engaged in extensive discussions with the new German Ambassador to the Court of St. James's, Herbert von Dirksen. In the midst of these conversations (held without approval from the U.S. State Department), Kennedy advised von Dirksen that President Roosevelt was the victim of"Jewish influence" and was poorly informed as to the philosophy, ambitions and ideals of Hitler's regime. (The Nazi ambassador subsequently told his bosses that Kennedy was"Germany's best friend" in London.)

The social engineering practices of the left scream of Nazism....eugenics by way of Planned parenthood ...the list goes on and on....The nazis were all about control and lack of freedom, so we do see it here more and more everyday. Always being told what we can and can't do.