Hollow Earth Theory New Evidence.

Then you and i have very different ideas of what "wrong" is.

reply to post by Cassius666


Please explain your theory....gravity won't allow a hollow earth?

The Expanding Hollow Earth Theory The Expanding Earth idea has been around for a long time, but science has not considered it worthy of genuine investigation because a driving force was missing. This is where the Hollow Earth theory comes in. A new understanding of Gravity gives rise to an expanding, hollow Earth and once and for all neatly solves the drifting continent phenomenon. This website sets out to prove that the Hollow Earth Theory and the Expanding Earth theory have credible scientific merit and should not be ignored. There is a wealth of evidence surfacing today that throws our current beliefs regarding the structure of our planet into serious doubt. Our goal is to accumulate as much of this information as possible and provide it in one easy-to-access place for all. Throughout the pages of this website new ideas and discoveries are presented from wide-ranging areas of science. Our investigation has delved into many subjects and disciplines including geology and plate tectonics, paleontology and evolution, genetics and biology, gravity, astronomy and others. Each of these topics has their own exciting story to tell and together they will build a new picture of the Earth that is sure to surprise. It is time look at the information before us with fresh eyes and open minds and to seek out the truth for ourselves.

By WGS-84, the equatorial radius of the Earth is 6,378.137 km (≈3,963.191 mi) and the polar radius of the Earth is 6,356.7523 km (≈3,949.903 mi), to one millimeter. If you want to know the radius of the Earth at any other latitude, it's a lot more complicated, so I'll just leave it at that. To summarize, the radius at the... Equator: 6,378.137 km (≈3,963.191 mi) Poles: 6,356.7523 km (≈3,949.903 mi) Mean: 6,371.009 km (≈3,958.761 mi) The radius is the distance from the surface of the Earth to the center of the Earth and center of the core. The distance TO the core is a little bit different, and the number itself will be an estimate and will vary depending on the model. One source shows (3489.92 ± 4.66) km for one velocity model and (3486.10 ± 4.59) km for another. I'll just use the average of those two, 3,488.01 km.

The deepest hole ever drilled into the earth was 7 + miles.....that leaves a lot of questionable space that no one has ever seen....meaning there is no proof for any theory.

Originally posted by 3danimator
reply to post by scrounger

 

I cant be bothered to reply fully to you since you didn't bother reading what i wrote. I said there comes a certain point with SOME subjects where we can say we understand it 100% (or at least enough to maybe allow for small variations in our understanding)

What I'm saying is we know enough about the composition of the earth, planets, geology, and basic physics to know that there isn't a second effing sun inside our planet and that we are not living on a hollow sphere.
Do we understand everything about Earth? No. Of course not. But we know enough to know that that monumentally idiotic theory has no weight to it.

i get that our knowledge of physics is always changing, i get it. I know it. I studied physics at Uni. But you can be sure that our theories on certain subjects are 99% complete.

But hey, you want to live life in lala land where aliens live inside our hollow earth, be my guest. Just don't bitch and moan when we all point at you and laugh.

First I never claimed there is an "innear sun" so I think in your hurry to denouce me you confuse me with someone else.

But your quote "our theories on certain subjects are 99% complete" in proof of what the innear earth is composed of DIRECTLY contraticts the scientific method you claim to be expertise in. To clarify (and make my point) a theory stays a theory until proven using scientific method. Scientific method is taking a theory and being able to replicate/test it under controlled conditions. Then the results must be able to be repeated. ONLY THEN does it become fact.

Now true some theories are more plausable than some others. But the cold hard fact is NOTHING IS A FACT UNTIL PROVEN.

A great example of a theory that still has not been proven to the level of fact is the theory of evolution. Note not trying to open another argument. Yes alot of facts give more weigth to the theory possible being true. But no reputable scientist to date will call it a fact due to some very glaring gaps (aka missing links) that have not been proven yet.

Sir I gave you in previous posts many examples of scientific "facts" being proven later to be bunk/outdated due to a mirad of things (new knowlege, testing, discoveries, ect) that can be re-read without wasting space here. But I will remind you of the bumblebee that proved alot of aerodynamic "tested facts" wrong.

You cannot say what the innear earth is made up of without actually digging several test holes deep enough to get samples AT ALL LEVELS. To claim the hollow earth theory (or as I pointed out why cant some of it be hollow) is bunk because YOU KNOW what the composition is based on theory is pure BS.

I again point out the very good show on NATGO on the GIANT crystals found in deep mines that defy current scientific knowlege.

Again I use the PROVEN facts of how the thermocline layer (change in temperature from warm to cold) effects most sonar to the point of blocking it. Thus hiding whatever is under it and true depth.

There is no reason not to suspect if these crystals exist and their properties are not yet understood that there are other materials in the earth that could block, alter, or effect the methods used (sound waves, radiation waves, ect) and theories given to explain the earths makeup.

Maybe there is an element that does effect gravity as we know it that would render some of the "facts" that say the earth cannot be hollow.

Due to the fact the known deepest well is 10 miles or less deep makes your theories no more valid than mine.

The only true difference between you and I is I FULLY ADMIT I DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS and AM OPEN to the fact that I may be wrong.

However you seem to still cling to your theories (without proven facts/samples) and say you are right and the rest of the world is nuts.

Well sir how many ego-centric scientists of the past who spouted such things as flat earth, space flight impossible, earth center of the universe, life needs O2, sunlight, and carbon based, do you laugh at now?

I wonder if the scientist of tomorrow (if you are proven wrong or partially wrong) will be as "nice " to you as you are being to the past ones?

Originally posted by wmd_2008
reply to post by dc1138

 

Volcanoes, its mass, earthquakes and how their shock waves travel all point to a NON HOLLOW EARTH!

Actually it only points to non hollow earth if you rely on it totally at face value.

Here is two ways that this "fact" cannot be taken at face value.

1. Sonar that travels though the water. This shows the distance to the bottom and any objects that are there. That is what face value would say.

But there are flaws in sonar. Lets take a submarine for example. It can be shaped and coated with materials that can and do render it undetectable to sonar under a set of conditions.

Nature can effect the information gathered by sonar as well. Such simple thing as temperature for example. A known fact is when the water gets colder it creates a thermocline layer that blocks alot of sonar frequencies from penatrating (at worst) or effects the information given back (at best)

So under this condition (for simple practical example) sonar says the depth (due to the themocline layer) is 400 feet and there are no submarines here. But the FACT IS actual depth may be 3,000 feet and a US attack sub is under that layer.

2. Volcano's (and associated lava) show the earth is not hollow. Again face value has flaws.

We know for example there are volcano's WA (MT St helen for example) and it has eurpted. But dig deeper and you know there are many many cave systems in the same area that are not connected to the volcano and go on for miles. So both co-exist together. So it is reasonable to theorize that volcano's maybe like the vents in my house and the lava comes up tubes like the heating ducts in my house.

So it could be possible that there are pockets of lava instead of the whole innear core being lava. Thus like a house it has a furnace (which you cannot live in) but otherwise the house is hollow and livable.

I again say I don't have all the answers and say that hollow earth theory is fact.

I am saying there is much more to be learned and that untill we drill many test holes to the center (and take samples) that NO ONE can say what the earth is made up of. Much less if it is solid, partial, or totally hollow.

Only a fool or and egotist scientist will discount anything without hard facts/samples.

reply to post by scrounger


Caves are NOT a hollow earth they are caves DOH!

If the theories re the shockwaves from an earthquake were wrong they we would not be able to detect the epicentre from other parts of the world the results wouldn't match.

Some info for you

P waves and S waves. P-waves, or primary waves, that travel at 3 miles (5 km) per second, stretching and squeezing rocks laterally. S-waves, or secondary waves, move from side to side at about 2 miles (3 km) a second.

Sonar has nothing to do with it!

Originally posted by wmd_2008
reply to post by scrounger

 

Caves are NOT a hollow earth they are caves DOH!

If the theories re the shockwaves from an earthquake were wrong they we would not be able to detect the epicentre from other parts of the world the results wouldn't match.

Some info for you

P waves and S waves. P-waves, or primary waves, that travel at 3 miles (5 km) per second, stretching and squeezing rocks laterally. S-waves, or secondary waves, move from side to side at about 2 miles (3 km) a second.

Sonar has nothing to do with it!

edit on 27-2-2012 by wmd_2008 because: (no reason given)

First I point out caves because last I checked there is no published/standard to say when/how many/what percentage of the earth has to be caves to be considered "hollow earth". For that matter what level overall does the earth have to be "hollow" to make the theory? 10%, 50%, 80%?

Exactly how many caves are there in the earth, do you know?

DOH to you sir .

Second WELL DUH P waves are not IDENTICAL TO sonar.

However my analogy holds solid and true in the respect that I SHOWED BACKED UP BY FACTS (which there are many more than I listed) how enviromental, material, and wave lengths can effect the results sonar.

P and S waves have a known set of parameters. But like sonar they can be effected by enviromental, material, and combination of those factors and effect the results.

also pointed out there are known elements (the giant crystals) that have properties that are still being studied and their effects (much less how they exist) are still being discovered/explained.

These crystals have only just been discovered (I don't know the exact time but they have been not known long so save the nit-picking as an excuse). How many other elements are there that may exist that untill YOU DRILL DEEP WELLS TO THE CORE you WON'T KNOW ABOUT?

Crystals that we do know about have such a variety of properties (from lazers, to armor, to radiation protection, to long range communication to name a few) that even today we are still learning about.

Who's to say they may not shield or alter the S, P, whatever waves to hide the hollowness of the earth.

Who's to say there is not a new metal with magnetic properties that can alter gravity in some way to alter the theories we have come to call "fact"?

Who's to say how combinations of already known items may not effect the scans?

Did you know a 50 block of choclate is INVISIBLE to any kind of radar and science even today cannot explain why (got it from popular science article years back)?

As for detecting earthquake epicenters that is no big deal or proof of anything.

One they are USUALLY located along a KNOWN fault line.

Two they have a general (by miles) circle of where they predict it happened. But by no means can they go (or even seen) how this exactly happens.

Alot happen in inaccessible places (like the bottom of the ocean) and even if they happen in a known location (san andreas fault for example) NO ONE HAS PHOTOGRAPHED at the starting point what exactly happens.

In theory the plates (maybe they are very thick by miles) are going over each other like a big supermarket checkout belts and it is hollow underneath?

Given we DON'T KNOW whats beyond the deepest well drilled (which is 7 or 8 miles MAX), even those wells number less a few.

Again I say why is it so hard to accept unless you have HARD FACTS BY SAMPLES your theory is just that a UNPROVEN THEORY.

As I just proved with a known factors of our own oceans that "proven facts" (in this case sonar) blind interpretation of the reading can be (example depth) false.

The difference between me and you scientist types (I am giving you the benifit of the doubt on your claimed education) is I admit I not only don't know everything, but without hard samples/facts I also admit my theories might be wrong.

Why is it so hard for you to do the same?

Its not like I say the center consists of stale peeps

reply to post by scrounger



Listen man, its VERY simple. Show me some concrete evidence that planets can be hollow and that ours is and i will believe its possible. Until then, you can pepper your "theory" with as much real world actual geology and physics as you want, in the hope that it will add some validity to the beyond ludicrous thing you are proposing, but it really wont.

reply to post by wmd_2008


Actually many of the religious stories are very similiar to each other and while there might be some truth to them, such as floods caused by the end of the ice age, the earth is still not hollow.

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Here is his memorial service announcement: cameronakersmemory.bbnow.org...
Here is the current thread discussing this tragic story: www.abovetopsecret.com...
I'm hosting the l3luecrayon "tpain1809" videos now. If anyone wants to discuss this further, they will be on my youtube channel until I am removed. Here is my link: www.youtube.com...

reply to post by Novaroc


From tpaine1809's thread "I am from an Illuminati bloodline with an exception," the OP:

Originally posted by tpaine1809
My last name is Akers. My mother was adopted from Italy by my grandfather. He is a 32nd degree mason of Scottish decent. I never met my biological father, even though I know who he is. He is dead now and I have never heard his voice. I was born in Salem, MA of all places. My mother moved us away to Georgia when I was younger. My grandparents continued to help her financially even though she will never admit it. Every summer I would go back to MA and spend it there with my grandparents and attending the YMCA every day for summer camp. I was always more athletically gifted than most. My IQ was tested at 143 when I was 5. I did very well in school during my younger years. Really slacked off in HS and college. However, in high school I was All state in football and All American in Track and field. Anyways long story short I always found a way to be ok and my grandparents always helped me more than my other siblings. OK enough about my background. I am writing you guys today in hopes that you can help me uncover where I come from. What could have been done to me. I had an awakening a few days ago. My mind thinks much quicker now. I am working on astral projection. I found two people from my bloodline who happen to be very interesting. John Fellows Akers (bohemian member and IBM CEO) and Thomas Akers who was an Astronaut. I need to know what I am. I am not evil I only wish to help mankind.

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edit on Mon Jan 23 2012 by DontTreadOnMe because: post restored by staff...do NOT delete your OP

Also, RFK and JFK are referenced in this video:

Is this thread still continuing?

Wow, you sheeple go "baaa-aa-aaa!" more than I thought.

If you don't trust our top-paid scientists when they say, "The Earth has a magma core", and is not hollow, then why bother going to school at all?

Why even bother with this site, which operates off of facts given by those same scientists.

Pathetic.

Originally posted by Spiratio

Originally posted by Starchild23

Originally posted by tpaine1809
reply to post by Spiratio

 

Exactly! I like your thinking. Quickly writing it off as impossible means the individual put no thought into changing science.

You can't change water by calling it fire.

correct but there are numerous conditions under which each may occur same goes for the interior of the earth. Average Person only use 10% of their brain (so those who use the hollow headed remarks are actually the ones using less brain power than those who conceive intricate theories to explain the hollow earth reality), how much is there that humans dont know about what may be at work and therefore possible? 90% that's roughly 90% of the cosmos that is dark matter and energy ... coincidence? That's a plausible factor to entertain that the earth is roughly 80% hollow?

The point is that science has an explanation for all things that it has no real hard irrefutable evidence, that doesn't mean its accurate or even the ultimate truth if there is hard evidence - and don't quote the seismic activity I have already posted about that.

Any more questions?

edit on 11-2-2012 by Spiratio because: (no reason given)

Yes, I do have a question. How the hell did you go from percentage of the human mind to chances of the earth being hollow?

You are being obtuse, and that undermines any chance you ever had of convincing us that you're right.

reply to post by Starchild23


I would suggest you do some research.

I good place to start would be Red Ice Creations: "Brooks Agnew - Hour 1 - North Pole Inner Earth Expedition in 2012."

Originally posted by Starchild23
If you don't trust our top-paid scientists when they say, "The Earth has a magma core", and is not hollow, then why bother going to school at all?

Scientists often operate under extreme pressure to keep their mouths shut about what they really think. Especially if they want to be "top-paid."

And there is a case to be made for not going to school and choosing to be home-schooled - especially now with all the resources we have available to us. Formal education is controlled by the powers that be for the powers that be. It's about funding. Even science journals are dependent up corporate advertising.

Originally posted by Starchild23
Why even bother with this site, which operates off of facts given by those same scientists.

This site operates off of information from a wide variety of sources - not just top-paid scientists.

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by Cassius666

 

Please explain your theory....gravity won't allow a hollow earth?

All matter is drawn torwards the center of an object. How is a hollow ball supposed to form that way? At the center of the core are the heaviest elements, such as liquified Iron, safe of wat did not cool off and remained stuck in the crust. Reality is the polar opposite to a hollow earth. Not to mention that we would not have an magnetic field if it would be otherwise.

Originally posted by Mary Rose

Originally posted by Starchild23
If you don't trust our top-paid scientists when they say, "The Earth has a magma core", and is not hollow, then why bother going to school at all?

Scientists often operate under extreme pressure to keep their mouths shut about what they really think. Especially if they want to be "top-paid."

And there is a case to be made for not going to school and choosing to be home-schooled - especially now with all the resources we have available to us. Formal education is controlled by the powers that be for the powers that be. It's about funding. Even science journals are dependent up corporate advertising.

Originally posted by Starchild23
Why even bother with this site, which operates off of facts given by those same scientists.

This site operates off of information from a wide variety of sources - not just top-paid scientists.

Everything you just said is irrelevant. Our top paid scientists are not going to be paid to lie about the earth being hollow. Why would they be? There's nothing to be gained! You're making excuses.

Home-schooled has nothing to do with anything. Once again, you're dancing around the bush. There is no reason to lie about a hollow earth.

Bottom line: you are nonsensical. now wonder you're on a hollow earth thread. have fun with that.

Originally posted by Mary Rose
reply to post by Starchild23

 

I would suggest you do some research.

I good place to start would be Red Ice Creations: "Brooks Agnew - Hour 1 - North Pole Inner Earth Expedition in 2012."

Perfect. Another believer. Do you read the Bible too?

reply to post by tpaine1809


You know there is a very large portion of the actual earth we haven't yet discovered or documented, how would this not be a possibility of a hollow earth? Nobody has explored it yet to find out, so in my opinion I see this as a possibility.....You have to throw out what you were taught by the "experts" growing up.....

Good find!

Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein
reply to post by tpaine1809

 

You know there is a very large portion of the actual earth we haven't yet discovered or documented, how would this not be a possibility of a hollow earth? Nobody has explored it yet to find out, so in my opinion I see this as a possibility.....You have to throw out what you were taught by the "experts" growing up.....

Good find!

Might as well toss everything out.

Might as well say, "Hey, everyone! Guess what! Not a darn person on this forsaken rock knows a bloody thing about it! We're all clueless! So let's start assuming the most bizarre and sensational things about our planet, because it hasn't been proven wrong yet!"

Let mass chaos ensue, as everything we have been taught for generations becomes ash in the wind, and we have to start all over because a bunch of people use a ridiculous argument to support a hollow earth theory.

That's how intelligent this all sounds.