The Devil's Chord: The conspiracy to open the portal of consciousness and mystery of the octave

reply to post by HallamFoe

Think of the Devil's Interval as a medieval ACTA or SOPA.

There is so much misinformation in the OP that I don't even know where to start. Firstly, the "Devil's Chord" is an interval, made up of TWO pitches. A chord has at least three notes in it.

Stevie Wonder sings in the song "Superstition":

When you believe in things that you don't understand
Then you suffer
Superstition ain't the way

And that sums up this thread. It's ridiculous how the OP wants to stigmatize certain intervals and make you believe it's bad for you. I got news for you: Music has evolved. Luckily, we are not bound by Bach's counterpoint anymore. Parallel fifths and octaves are common place these days. There is nothing bad about the tritone either. All intervals are equal. If you think otherwise you are promoting musical segregation, superstition and ignorance.

reply to post by futuretense


Right on healing from music -- o.k. so the African-American blues is an intuitive attempt to bend the Western scale back to the natural resonance healing and also syncopated rhythm is part of this complimentary opposites.



So John Chernoff is a musicologist who studied drumming in Ghana with the Dagomba -- and the highly complex syncopated rhythm creates a "wall of sound" that cancels out the waves to resonate with the nodes as Emptiness - the space between the notes is more important than the notes themselves. This was also Sun Ra -- Sun Ra's point about music.




So these are the 12 notes of the music scale as the infinite spiral of fifths applied to the body -- so if you practice this scale over and over it increases the frequency of the body's energy to create the electromagnetic healing energy and spirit light energy.

reply to post by captaincosmic


Major modes: Ionian, Lydian and Mixolydian. There is 2 more

reply to post by futuretense


yes, state of mind (always been the battleground) and personally I can't help but "feel" when a beautiful voice sings...

Originally posted by AllIsOne
reply to post by HallamFoe

 

Think of the Devil's Interval as a medieval ACTA or SOPA.

There is so much misinformation in the OP that I don't even know where to start. Firstly, the "Devil's Chord" is an interval, made up of TWO pitches. A chord has at least three notes in it.

Stevie Wonder sings in the song "Superstition":

When you believe in things that you don't understand
Then you suffer
Superstition ain't the way

And that sums up this thread. It's ridiculous how the OP wants to stigmatize certain intervals and make you believe it's bad for you. I got news for you: Music has evolved. Luckily, we are not bound by Bach's counterpoint anymore. Parallel fifths and octaves are common place these days. There is nothing bad about the tritone either. All intervals are equal. If you think otherwise you are promoting musical segregation, superstition and ignorance.

Actually what I'm talking about is the secret Pygmy-Bushmen music influence as humans spread around the world -- and the secret paranormal meaning it has -- to turn sound into light.

Sounding the Depths Tradition and the Voices of History A Blog Book, by Victor Grauer

This is a great book on the topic -- basically the secret is that the females sing which then transmits their N/om electrochemical bliss energy into the males and then the males dance all night to push their sympathetic nervous systems to the extreme which then causes an internal trigger to the parasympathetic nervous system which then takes in the female electrochemical energy expressed through the singing and it turns the female electrochemical energy into male electromagnetic energy.

This is called turning the N/om into !Xia by the Bushmen.

The Kenya Witchcraft Ritual music c.d. calls it "eating the females" in a secret initiation by the male drummers when the females enter puberty.

This has to do with the menstrual cycle synchronizing with the lunar cycle and this creating an electromagnetic resonance of the iron in the blood -- so this is called "Yang Chi" in "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" as the Dragon chi of the Sun arising out of the female "yin chi" from the hormones called the Tiger chi from the Moon.

Another good book on this is Modernity of Witchcraft -- an anthropology book which also talks about the secret of "eating the females" -- or converting the internal female bliss energy of the parasympathetic nervous system. So music is documented to activate the parasympathetic nervous system for deep relaxation -- strong alpha brain waves and also increasing the dopamine as the chills called frisson -- and increasing the serotonin from the vagus nerve bliss trigger -- the internal female bliss.

Don't get this mixed up with the 144,000 frequency either.

I read somewhere the 144,000 have a frequency or prayer quality that open up the oppressed realm of the serpent which helps release or bring God further down to us.

What ever evil is out there I am sure some good will counter it.

"The universe is based on harmonic series such as 72, 144, 432.
And 144 (a "C" tone in hertz) is a perfect harmonic of the speed of light, which is 144,000 nautical miles (144,000 minutes of arc per Earth grid second) in the vacuum of space.
Each of these harmonics are literally a mirror, or a cascade of mirrors within mirrors,
that 8 hz can look into. For example 144 is 18 x 8 hz, and 72 is 9 x 8 hz.
The way that light travels in space is thus a 144 decimal harmonic (144:144,000)"

Thread maker might want to see this.

reply to post by AllIsOne

If you think otherwise you are promoting musical segregation, superstition and ignorance.

Of course I'm not, you've clearly taken what I said the wrong way! And you've taken what I said out of context. Read the whole post! I was merely pointing out that even back then you had ridiculous censorships. And also read my reply I made a few comments back and you'll see where I stand on the subject.

Thanks.

Originally posted by anoncoholic
reply to post by HIWATT

 

the harmonic tones where you just touch the string and not depress it, where does that replicate on the strings?

that sound is the key maybe? It sounds like a purer octave than a hard resonance so how would a triune be played there?

manipulation via vibrational frequencies does change matter and its called The Hutchison effect. ( it manipulates a frequency of sound waves I think because he used old radar equipment if I remember that right. )

I'm sure it is here on ATS somewhere

I also heard about sleeping with tones being played... so if an energy field like the brain were stimulated via harmonic resonances it supposedly puts us into gamma state then

That is the higher state of consciousness with lucid dreaming .I think, can't recall.

It is also the state of nirvana in yogi's as well as the states of bliss and communion with God.

... gonna have to read over this thread again, a lot of great understanding in these posts,

Right the Hutchinson effect and the Gamma coherence of the brain as conscious awareness -- it is tied to a secret of sound that Tesla discovered and also John Keely discovered -- the original Hutchinson effect.

So when we chant the different vowel sounds like the mantra "Ohm Mani Padme Hum" this creates a change of phase timing -- it reverses the direction of the current in the brain. It connects the secret of the vowels with the small universe/microcosmic orbit (the 12 notes of the scale as the infinite spiral of fifths) as a means to create "alternating current" -- that decreases resistance for creating energy.

In other words the vertical channels of the small universe/microcosmic orbit and the center of the brain work like a triode amplifier screen that reverses the charge, just like in a triode amplifier and the chanting of the mantra is across the brain -- horizontal current like the 60 hertz of gamma brain waves. But since the "Om Mani Padme Hum" chant uses the different vowels to activate the different vertical chakras of the body -- this reverses the current in different phases, producing a steady alternating current power with low resistance.

In other words I'm convinced that chanting "Om Mani Padme Hum" -- how ever one chooses to pronounce it -- it's the change in vowels that counts and this will guide the energy while also reducing resistance and increasing the frequency, thereby enabling the voltage to also be stored with stronger amplitude as well -- in the lower tan tien (lower energy field below and behind the navel at the meeting of the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems), like a transistor coil.

reply to post by fulllotusqigong


Partial knowledge can be a dangerous thing my friend. Mixing higher mathematics, music theory, frequencies and secret orders can be fun, but you're spinning a lot of stuff.

I've stated what needed to be said and I let you have fun with your thread now.

reply to post by HallamFoe


I wasn't refering to you at that point.
Read my post carefully and the word OP will appear ...

reply to post by The time lord


Right so the Harmonic Series is actually diverging -- it's actually a sequence -- but Western math defines a series as geometrically contained even if it is diverging due to the calculus.

The Number Devil: A Mathematical Adventure

So that's a good book on the Harmonic Series and the Devil.

haha. This gets into the paradox and intrigue of Riemann's Proof -- which will remain unsolved except by supercomputers doing quantum chaos.

So conspiracy means "spiral unity" -- the harmonic series is actually a paradox of the spiral as the vortex into the realm of the formless -- consciousness as formlessness -- what can be listened to but not seen.

The Harmonic Series Again!

Then the sum of the natural numbers 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 +..... represents the archetypal linear series of numbers i.e. as numbers naturally marked off on a straight line. So all these numbers are implicitly 1-dimensional i.e. raised to the power of 1. However when we raise these numbers same numbers to - 1 i.e. 1^ (- 1), 2^(- 1), 3^(- 1), 4^(- 1), 5^(- 1) +.... we generate the harmonic series 1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + 1/5 + ..... Now remember my basic starting about regarding the nature of the primes is that they combine extreme characteristics with respect to linear and circular aspects! So the individual prime numbers are the most independent and linear of all numbers (with no constituent factors). However the general behaviour of the primes (in the frequency of their overall distribution) involves the other extreme of a holistic circular tendency. Now the very manner in which both linear and circular aspect are involved in experience goes back to the way in which whole and part interact. So to switch from the whole say 4 (4^1) to part 1/4 the dimensional number switches to - 1. So 1/4 = 4^(- 1). Thus the decisive switch from whole to part requires that conscious (linear) understanding that is defined with respect to the positive 1st dimension be dynamically negated in an unconscious (circular) intuitive manner. So similar dynamics are involved with respect to the harmonic series (by comparison with the natural number series). And remarkably the harmonic series gives the simplest answer to the general nature of prime number distribution. In other words the measure of the average spread as between successive prime numbers (which becomes progressively larger as the natural numbers increase) is given by the sum of the harmonic series!

reply to post by AllIsOne



So this was really a reply to the OP?

I think I get what you're saying...just looked like you were accusing me of being musically racist or something.

I love dissonance in music. Forget Hendrix and all the others...David Rawlings is the man for that kinda stuff! AMAZING!

Peace.

reply to post by anoncoholic

Originally posted by HallamFoe
reply to post by AllIsOne

 

So this was really a reply to the OP?

I think I get what you're saying...just looked like you were accusing me of being musically racist or something.

I love dissonance in music. Forget Hendrix and all the others...David Rawlings is the man for that kinda stuff! AMAZING!

Peace.

It was meant more like a warning not to fall for this nonsense.
Yeah, Rawlings is the man!

I'm done with this thread. Just wanted to clarify for you ...

Originally posted by alien
Brilliant thread...complimented by some brilliant discussion happening within it.

The subject of sound, tones, resonance and so forth is also one I find extremely interesting from the perspective of my own culture (NZ Maori) who have traditionally utilised specific harmonics for various effects such as enhanced healing, for usage in our traditional/spiritual practices and all manner of other things.


I do believe that there is much power held within sound, within vibrations...power that extends beyond the physical realms and allows some *breaching* into the less-than-physical realms as well.


Will follow this thread intently.

Right so the idea of sound resonating into other things than sound is something you can accept.

So I am talking about proprioception from the inner ear ultrasound -- here it's called the "area that deals with touch" - it's actually more than touch but also balance as the inner ear proprioception.

Likewise, humans are able to local-ize sound by judging both pitch and the differential between the two ears. To do so, they must process sound from both ears simultaneously and compare temporal, pitch, and other differences in sound signature be-tween the two ears. This requires an accurate sense of proprioception and balance—and, preferably, visual in-formation to help localize where sound comes from. Blind people lack the visual feedback to calibrate sound localization as precisely as possible, so they must depend on tactile feedback as the best way to calibrate their sound localization—just as touch is best for infants developing their depth vision.

The Brain: The Real Secret of Alternate Sensory Technology

The proprioceptive sense is believed to be composed of information from sensory neurons located in the inner ear (motion and orientation) and in the stretch receptors located in the muscles and the joint-supporting ligaments (stance). There are specific nerve receptors for this form of perception termed "proprioreceptors," just as there are specific receptors for pressure, light, temperature, sound, and other sensory experiences. Proprioreceptors are sometimes known as adequate stimuli receptors. TRPN, a member of the transient receptor potential family of ion channels, has been found to be responsible for proprioception in fruit flies,[11] nematode worms,[12] African clawed frogs, [13] and zebrafish.[14] The human proprioceptor has yet to be discovered. Although it was known that finger kinesthesia relies on skin sensation, recent research has found that kinesthesia-based haptic perception relies strongly on the forces experienced during touch.[15] This research allows the creation of "virtual", illusory haptic shapes with different perceived qualities.[16] David Bohm expands the idea of proprioception to include the "self perception of thought" in which thought is aware of its movement.[17] [18]

Originally posted by fulllotusqigong

Originally posted by JackTheTripper
What about the tritone paradox, or the shephard tone? In order to counter-effect the so called "matrix-hoax", what kind of music (sheet music example, please) should be played to counter-effect it?

haha. There's a great book called the "Haunting Melody" by Theodore Reik who was a psychologist and contemporary of Freud in Vienna -- hanging out with Brahms.

The idea of Reik is that when we get an ear worm there is a subconscious message going on.

So for example a melody pops in our head but we can't remember the words at first. But then if we can remember the words we find that it relates -- subconsciously -- and more than relates -- it reveals -- the secret emotional meaning to what we are thinking or experiencing at the time.

So I would say the Tritone Paradox is really about the mystery of the octave -- the paradox of amplitude versus frequency or time as phase space (amplitude) versus frequency.

The octave can be doubled but it can also be squared -- both with the value of four.

So that is the secret "bait and switch" by Archytas that created the Tritone.

So Archytas created the double octave so that the octave is 2 as "half" of the string length -- and then this 2:1 ratio enables the commutative math so that (arithmetic mean times harmonic mean equals geometric mean squared). Archytas created these new terms but this equation is considered to be from Babylonian math.

O.K. so the secret to remember is that Western music is based on the commutative principle but in reality -- based on the secret of Pythagoras -- sound is noncommutative - so that even Number itself is asymmetric -- the 1:2 divides as complementary opposites.

Archytas then squared the 3:2 to 9:4 and that is the eleventh interval which he divided back into the first octave as 9:8 and the cubed as the tritone.

O.K. so all of that presupposes a logarithmic tuning of the octave when in fact -- empirically -- mathematically -- the octave and the fifth do not geometrically divide evenly -- there is instead not a "divide and average" containment of geometry as sound but in reality an infinite resonance of the fifth and fourth as complementary opposites.

So 9:8 cubed is the tritone as the square root of two -- and this was the original mass sacrifice ritual to create the chariot technology in India circa 3000 BCE -- so the Pythagorean theorem goes back to ancient Rishi altar geometry as documented by mathematician Abraham Seidenberg who also published academic articles promoting the mass ritual sacrifice geometry as a secret society through the "separation of heaven and earth."

So originally in Egypt the base of the triangle is earth (ISIS) and the height is heaven (Osiris) and the hypotenuse is the complementary opposites of Set (satan, the devil) and Horus (Jesus, Joshua).

But the Western "greek miracle" was to take the symmetric Brahmin Vedic phonetic logic of the phoencian Babylonian mathematics (arithmetic mean times harmonic mean equals geometric mean squared) to contain this infinite resonance of complementary opposites into a "compromised" or inaccurate tuning.

Thereby shutting off the natural resonance of sound into light.

I can follow the esoteric and hermetic part of this (related also to 4/sqrt(phi), a natures way to approximate to the pi) - but I do not understand the WHY part of this all. Please give your solution to this? I have to concurr that partial knowledge is dangerous. I would want to hear from you what should be done to not shut off the natural resonance of sound into light. A complete example.

I am also sure you have read this, right? www.scribd.com...

I'm also a musician. I'm also an avid lucid dreamer and one of the things I'm going to concentrate on is music in my lucid dreams. See, lately when I imagine soulful songs in my head, certain songs will send electricity like feelings through my whole body. I'm not talking goose bumps, but I'm also not talking about OBE like vibrations. It starts in my legs and goes through my whole body. It feels really good! I'd like to learn more. I like to have it incite an OBE.

Originally posted by sublimy99
I'm also a musician. I'm also an avid lucid dreamer and one of the things I'm going to concentrate on is music in my lucid dreams. See, lately when I imagine soulful songs in my head, certain songs will send electricity like feelings through my whole body. I'm not talking goose bumps, but I'm also not talking about OBE like vibrations. It starts in my legs and goes through my whole body. It feels really good! I'd like to learn more. I like to have it incite an OBE.

Right that's the proprioception as the inner ear activation - it's electrochemical internal tingling -- deeper than goosebumps but related and activated by emotional energy.

The Secret of Psychic Music Healing

As the article linked mentions D. Scott Rogo studied NDEs and music and he found that the music was in the natural resonance as either singing or string instruments....

I call them "music dreams" where the dream has really intense music -- and actually a lot of composers relied on this as an instantaneous vision for their music -- from a visionary dream state. The book "The Creative Process" gives more details -- so it's like our vision is holographic and records our experiences in our body like a photograph -- electrochemically -- and then certain sounds can then reactivate those electrochemicals to then create the vision again.

Originally posted by JackTheTripper

I can follow the esoteric and hermetic part of this (related also to 4/sqrt(phi), a natures way to approximate to the pi) - but I do not understand the WHY part of this all. Please give your solution to this? I have to concurr that partial knowledge is dangerous. I would want to hear from you what should be done to not shut off the natural resonance of sound into light. A complete example.

I am also sure you have read this, right? www.scribd.com...

edit on 9-2-2012 by JackTheTripper because: (no reason given)

O.K. first of all the link is based on "divide and average" math which is not what I'm talking about. As I mentioned Archytas converted 8:5 as the Fibonacci Series into the Golden Ratio with the secret of doubling the cube of 5:4 as the cube root of two and also the major third music interval. I go into great detail about this in chapter two of the book I linked with 725 scholarly footnotes. haha.

Essentially the secret is how did Archytas convert the ratio proportions for doubling the cube into a geometric equation? The answer is 1 is to 5:4 as 5:4 is to 8:5 as 8:5 is to 2.

So that doesn't mean much on its own without all the other math details but I had my research reviewed by math professor Joe Mazur who then asked me to submit it to a math journal for publication.

But the real issue here is that I am challenging the foundation of math by using nonwestern music theory.

So for the proof of the Golden Ratio there has to be a "bait and switch" about infinity -- there has to be a reversal of the harmonic ratio from 5:8 to 8:5 just as there has to be reversal from 4:5 to 5:4 and more importantly of the Perfect Fifth from 2:3 to 3:2 -- otherwise the symmetric commutative math can not be completed.

This is why Kepler was against the closed form solution of the Golden Ratio - Kepler stated that the Fibonnaci Series is composed of male and female numbers.

So there is a deep secret to this and it requires initiation -- if you want to real truth then get a phone healing from qigong master Chunyi Lin -- just call the Spring Forest Qigong center and you can feel the laser shen spirit holographic energy over the phone. It is truly amazing -- a deep laser sensation deep in your body.

reply to post by cuchullainuk777

what key in music makes it what it is?

The key of a piece of music is its harmonic centre.

The harmonic centre is the note to which all the other notes in the piece relate. The relation is based on where the other notes fall (or don't fall) on the major or minor scale of which that note is the keynote.

Relation means the sound the other note makes when it is played together with (or immediately before or after) the keynote. A tritone, as explained earlier, is the relation between two notes three whole tones apart (I explained what a whole tone is in an earlier post).

In practical terms, a piece of music resolves to its keynote. Meaning that while the melody is playing, it sounds as if it wants to return to to keynote. And usually, at the conclusion of the piece, it does, giving the listener that satisfying feeling you get when you finish a well-written book where everything ties up neatly in the end.

Now we understand what a key is, we can investigate your statement above. A note is just a note – sound at a certain pitch or frequency. Frequency is a significant thing; it has meaning in all kinds of contexts. But with music composed in an equal-temperament scale (also explained in an earlier post of mine), it makes little musical difference what key a piece of music is in, because the interval relationships between the notes do not vary from key to key. In music composed or performed in a natural or 'perfect' harmonic scale (the kind the OP likes), the interval relationships between notes on the scale do vary with the key in which the music is performed.

In theory, this could give different keys different 'characters', because a piece of music played in F will sound somewhat different from a piece played in, say, F sharp. In olden times, different keys were assigned different symbolic meanings. D major was a key associated with God and royalty, C major was associated with light and reason, E flat major was the key of heroes, etc. So the symbolic or allegorical meaning of a piece of music could have been said to depend somewhat on the key in which it was played.

However, this symbolism was merely conventional. Indian music, in which modes take the place of keys, has a different set of conventions involving mood, time of day and so on. In truth, no strict relationship between key and meaning has ever been discovered. As I said earlier, the mysteries of music are more subtle than that.

And since, for the last three hundred years or so, everybody (not just Western musicians and listeners, but anybody who plays music on modern Western instruments, i.e. just about the whole wide world) uses the equal-temperament scale, music always sounds pretty much the same no matter what key it is played in. The only differences are blunt practical ones, set by the limits of instrumental and vocal range.

There are exceptions to this general rule. One of the commonest is the humble guitar. Because of the way its strings are tuned, some keys are easier to play in than others. In the flat keys, the ones favoured by horn players, a guitar loses much of its intrinsic sonority. It sounds best in the natural keys, particular those of G, D and E minor. But how far this can be said to affect the meaning of the music you hear is debatable. I would say it probably makes no difference.