The Devil's Chord: The conspiracy to open the portal of consciousness and mystery of the octave

Originally posted by fulllotusqigong

Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
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What am I missing here? Is it not true that 0A = 0F = Silence? Can silence amplify complementary frequencies?

The answer is de Broglie's Law of Phase Harmony -- when time slows down due to relativity it's when energy as frequency speeds up. De Broglie then figured out that when time expands as infinite phase amplitude then frequency as the consciousness pilot wave goes to zero.

So consciousness is a superliminal, faster than light, pilot wave guiding spacetime and energy-matter.

Luis de Brogle and his Law of Phase Harmony -- it addresses this deep paradox in Einstein's relativity about the quantum time-frequency uncertainty principle.

Where is zero amplitude frequency in this?

Originally posted by galacticgirl

 

I had started doing visualization for healing - "seeing" the "bad" cells being eaten by "good" ones. I had a vision of all the hepatitis cells draining from the top of my head down through my body. As the hep cells reached my feet - I had a vision of them leaving my toes and rolling out across the floor.

I have always known that the healing and the notes from I. Perlman's violin - sound frequencies - would be an important break through in healing.

Wow! I'm a musician myself. I've written music that has been explained by fans that my music has 'touched' them in a way that they can't explain. If someone were to tell me they visualized themselves back to health with the aid of my music, I would absolutely break down and cry like a little girl.

I teared reading your story. I loved reading your story.

Thanks for sharing!

Originally posted by anoncoholic

Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
reply to post by xizd1

 

Can silence amplify complementary frequencies?

As a matter of fact, yes

when that triangle/square spins, if it was free floating (inert) as the triangle spun forwards and pulled from backwards at twice the contact the square will naturally want to pickup a sympathetic spin and it is technically the same thing, the silence would be where the triangle/square equalize.

so instead of a slowing down this reaction acts like second gear, your amplification

edit: that silence is where the triangle/square attempt to equalize

edit on 10-2-2012 by anoncoholic because: (no reason given)

Can you explain frequency with no resonance or amplitude? I honestly don't see it in the triangle/square analogy.

Originally posted by DenyObfuscation

Originally posted by fulllotusqigong

Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
reply to post by xizd1

 

What am I missing here? Is it not true that 0A = 0F = Silence? Can silence amplify complementary frequencies?

The answer is de Broglie's Law of Phase Harmony -- when time slows down due to relativity it's when energy as frequency speeds up. De Broglie then figured out that when time expands as infinite phase amplitude then frequency as the consciousness pilot wave goes to zero.

So consciousness is a superliminal, faster than light, pilot wave guiding spacetime and energy-matter.

Luis de Brogle and his Law of Phase Harmony -- it addresses this deep paradox in Einstein's relativity about the quantum time-frequency uncertainty principle.

Where is zero amplitude frequency in this?

edit on 10-2-2012 by DenyObfuscation because: pointless

edit on 10-2-2012 by DenyObfuscation because: (no reason given)

The foundation of physics is not based on amplitude which is a classical measurement but instead on frequency as quantum energy. So energy intensity is measured by quantum frequency not amplitude but it has to be converted to amplitude since classical science uses symmetric geometry -- this is done through the Poisson Bracket.

So the infinite quantum potential means zero frequency as the superliminal pilot wave of consciousness -- it can be logically inferred but only proven after the fact through quantum entanglement. There is no amplitude needed except as phase or time. It's the difference between momentum and magnitude and this was the error that Einstein made about relativity since he was against quantum physics - he thought that photons had mass but photons have momentum.

So momentum relies on phase before it is squared as amplitude but then for the classical probabilities it has to be squared as amplitude but the original measurement is quantum.

So quantum and classical physics remain non-unified for this very reason of the inherent asymmetry in reality.

Science is left-brain dominant using right-hand technology -- so the technology has inherent asymmetry in it and is transforming left-handed carbon based molecules -- Nature as ecology -- science is inherently destroying ecology since science relies on "symmetric" math that actually is left-brain and right hand dominant against left-hand carbon-based molecules.

That is the secret of the Matrix -- humans are also dominantly left-handed carbon-based molecules -- so the machines are taking over through automation and artificial intelligence and right-handed silicon-iron technology.

This Matrix is built into the logarithmic math itself and called the "Music Logarithmic Spiral" in the Actual Matrix Plan -- so starting with the Pythagorean theorem as the square root of two for chariot technology circa 3,000 BCE -- then for doubling the cube for catapult technology around 300 BCE -- based on the cube root of two -- and then logarithms develops by Simon Stevin in the 17th C. for cannon technology -- science is based on the secret Platonic Matrix quest for the automation of reality through right-handed technology and left-brain dominance.

So the quantum infinite potential is based on the time-frequency uncertainty principle which does not use amplitude -- it is primary to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle -- and it's also the secret of the superliminal holograph consciousness as revealed by David Bohm, the protege of Einstein, and the continuation of de Broglie's Law of Phase Harmony.

But quantum physics has to convert the time-frequency uncertainty principle back into symmetric classical math and so quantum physics is actually the opposite extreme of the Pythagorean Tetrad relying on complementary opposites -- it's the dialectical reversal which meets in the Emptiness as formless consciousness.

This is called Mouna Samadhi or the ultimate meditative trance samadhi of consciousness as silence, as detailed by Ramana Maharshi, a jnana or mind yogi master. So the silence is consciousness beyond spacetime and energymatter -- it's not zero. This was an ancient debate between the Buddhists and Advaitin Vedic philosophers -- is the "ring of fire" when there is a solar eclipse by the moon -- does that ring mean zero or one as the whole? Actually the answer is neither because number is not symmetric -- number is complementary opposites and the Earth-Moon-Sun relation is one of chaos -- nonlinear resonance based on time as diverging into formlessness or consciousness itself.

So we can only logically infer formless consciousness -- it is not defined by a logarithmic or visual measurement but rather by the perception of listening. Eternal listening that then resonates through complementary opposites of the yin and yang or Perfect Fourth and Perfect Fifth -- into ultrasound that ionizes electrochemicals that creates electromagnetic energy that causes acoustic cavitation as sonoluminscence and sonofusion transmutation of protons as alchemy.

So the new sonofusion technology is based on this secret as well -- the shock wave of sound going into ultrasound to create a microcavitation that gets hotter than the sun for sonofusion alchemy.

Originally posted by DenyObfuscation

Originally posted by anoncoholic

Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
reply to post by xizd1

 

Can silence amplify complementary frequencies?

As a matter of fact, yes

when that triangle/square spins, if it was free floating (inert) as the triangle spun forwards and pulled from backwards at twice the contact the square will naturally want to pickup a sympathetic spin and it is technically the same thing, the silence would be where the triangle/square equalize.

so instead of a slowing down this reaction acts like second gear, your amplification

edit: that silence is where the triangle/square attempt to equalize

edit on 10-2-2012 by anoncoholic because: (no reason given)

Can you explain frequency with no resonance or amplitude? I honestly don't see it in the triangle/square analogy.

Frequency is not defined by spatial measurement -- not true frequency.

That is the whole secret. Listening does not rely on visual measurement.

Time is not an image -- but the West has defined time as spatial length. That is the problem.

So anyone promoting geometry as frequency still relies on measurement time and frequency through spatial length.

Originally posted by anoncoholic

Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
reply to post by xizd1

 

Can silence amplify complementary frequencies?

As a matter of fact, yes

when that triangle/square spins, if it was free floating (inert) as the triangle spun forwards and pulled from backwards at twice the contact the square will naturally want to pickup a sympathetic spin and it is technically the same thing, the silence would be where the triangle/square equalize.

so instead of a slowing down this reaction acts like second gear, your amplification

edit: that silence is where the triangle/square attempt to equalize

edit on 10-2-2012 by anoncoholic because: (no reason given)

Listening does not start with a visual object -- that is an attempt to contain infinity through a spatial measurement and it is the incorrect and self-centered definition of infinity.

We can logically infer consciousness but we can not see consciousness.

Consciousness creates light through the eternal process of complementary opposites but this process itself is formless.

We can listen to the source of light as consciousness and this process of listening is consciousness itself that then creates light energy to see visual objects.

The West is stuck in visual perception as the dominant norm and this caused an incorrect attempt to "contain" infinity through geometry and that is Freemasonry -- it relies on the separation of Heaven and Earth to maintain creation as territorial visual control -- through mass ritual sacrifice.

Seems interesting, i'll take the time to read later

reply to post by fulllotusqigong


Can you define frequency as you use the term? Also where does your definition of Logos come from?

Very intriguing subject.
Posting a reply to keep it on my radar for further study and comments.

This is my first time and post on ATS...
I made this account just to say thanks to the original poster.

This is beyond incredible.

Originally posted by GodPitch
This is my first time and post on ATS...
I made this account just to say thanks to the original poster.

This is beyond incredible.

haha. thanks. The easiest way to practice this complementary opposite resonance is to sit in full lotus aka padmasana yoga position aka the tetrahedron pyramid power.

The Tetrahedron as the pyramid resonates into the Emptiness due to the inherent push-pull attraction-repulsion of the complementary opposites.

So we normally think of the equilateral triangles as relying on irrational magnitude -- but actually it's due to the complementary opposites. This was the secret of Kepler -- his secret Rosicrucian symbol was an equilateral triangle embedded within a circle and then another circle within the equilteral triangle -- the secret being that the triangle collapses due to resonance into the formless circle.

So the triangle flips as two equilateral triangles because of the 2:3:4 -- an equilateral triangle is made up of two 2:3:4 triangles or two 3:4:5 triangles -- it expands and flips and resonates into the formless. This is why Kepler relied on the major third 5:4 harmonic as the secret between Saturn and Jupiter.

Saturn and Jupiter resonate together -- it's been proven -- by chaos theory -- that every tens of millions of years -- Jupiter protects Earth from comet destruction but when Saturn and Jupiter resonate together it causes the collapse of three dimensional spacetime on Earth -- due to the resonance ejecting a comet or asteroid to Earth.

So just as 5:4 is the cube root of two as three dimensional space -- 5:4 is the extension of the complementary opposites of the Pythagorean Tetrad 1:2:3:4 - -and reveals the gateway to consciousness beyond spacetime. 5:4 collapses the equilateral triangle into the Tai-Chi symbol into the Wu Chi as the circle as the source of the formless.

So three dimensional spacetime is an illusion of bifocal vision whereas the holographic reality is spacetime is interwoven externally and internally -- so internal perception is a projection as external reality and vice versa with the heart as the pivot point as the center of the universe -- only it's not really a center since it's defined by time.

Chaos is defined by time not space -- infinite time through complementary opposites and the heart is actually chaotic in its beat rhythm, just as the planets are chaotic in their orbits if you extend time long enough. There is no center to the universe -- the origin of the universe is based on frequency not spatial amplitude -- so time is from frequency and quantum energy intensity is defined by frequency not spatial amplitude.

Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
reply to post by fulllotusqigong

 

Can you define frequency as you use the term? Also where does your definition of Logos come from?

My masters thesis gives the details --

SOUND-CURRENT NON-DUALISM

MUSIC THEORY-THE LOST LOGOS OF THE WEST

It's from 2000 so it's a bit dated -- the error in it is when I equate the Tai Chi symbol with chaotic logistic equations but then Charles Madden wanted to published my masters thesis as a book -- he is an engineer writing on music. So I was reading his book on fractals and music theory because Madden said he didn't really understand what I was saying but actually his wife wanted him to publish and promote my book. haha. Anyway Madden says how the Tai-Chi symbol is not a fractal because it is asymmetric due to the difference of yin and yang -- the black within the white and vice versa.

So actually fractals deal with space whereas chaos deals with time. So what I'm talking about is sound as defined by time.

That's why it's an "uncertainty" as it's called in quantum physics. The Time-Frequency Uncertainty. Here's a good explanation of time-frequency uncertainty So as something is more brief in time then it is more widespread in frequency -- like the wideband.

Back to our time frequency analysis, we must overcome uncertainty principle in order to make precise analysis of musical signal. However, our ear is competent to it. Why? May be our brain never interpret music as fourier transform, it never does fourier transform, but understand the music in a mixture of experience, feeling and understanding ^^ We must appreciate our brain being far better than the computer.

More here on Time-Frequency Uncertainty -- the brain is better to perceive sound than a computer

As I stated it (the conversion of frequency to amplitude) relies on an ancient trick -- a "bait and switch" going back to Archtyas and Plato -- a trick that I discovered and math professor Joe Mazur had me submit it to a math journal for publication -- it was rejected without comment from the MMA - the most read math journal. haha. Of course I am critiquing the very origins of math but math professor Luigi Borzacchini does the same -- he said my math is correct but I just don't have the historical evidence. Mazur said I had done very important research but suggested I try a History of Science journal. haha.

O.K. so what I am really doing is writing from music but music is right-brain dominant. Musicians are actually more left-brain dominant when they listen to music since they have the school training but music itself is a right-brain dominant perception and this is what I am communicating. It's not about literal word definitions -- words are a left-brain dominant perception.

So actually I'm talking about the pineal gland which transcends the left/right duality because the pineal gland accesses the formless realm via the heart which Gurdjieff called the Large Accumulator. The heart is also the secret of Ramana Maharshi -- for his Mouna Samadhi -- the Samadhi of Silence.

So consciousness as silence is formless and it is beyond spacetime and also beyond energy-matter but it is a process that does not change -- a process of complementary opposites. So we listen but there is no ending nor beginning to the listening. Listening is the process of consciousness.

The West is based on the Secret of the Sect -- Freemasonry:

In front of this rich Pythagorean musical tradition about the incommensurability, we can find in the Pythagoreans' fragments no traces of incommensurabilty deriving from geometrical metrical constructions on square or pentagon, whereas in Plato and Aristotle the reference of incommensurability becomes exclusively geometrical. The “secret of the sect”? So well kept by Archytas on the geometrical side and betrayed on the musical side, rigorous in Taras while at the same time it was a favourite theme in Plato's Academy and Theodorus taught it in Athens? In my opinion we can instead explain this as revealing a sharp passage from the musical to the geometrical framework on the line from Archytas to Eudoxus, with the vanishing of the earlier approach. The translation was easy because geometric similarity was well known, and the connection between duplication of the square and the mean proportional between 1 and 2 was known as well, if Hippocrates of Chios could reduce the duplication of the cube to two mean proportionals and Archytas accomplished it geometrically.195

That's math professor Luigi Borzacchini in 1999 on an academic math listserve.

Historia Matematica listserve [HM] Music and Incommensurability, Luigi Borzacchini, Mon, 12 Jul
1999.

Earlier in David Fowler’s definitive book on the subject, The Mathematics of Plato's Academy, he wrangles with this music issue, stating: ...the manipulations of music theory seem to depend fundamentally on the operation of compounding, an operation which seems to pose some serious problems for mathematicians. My purely speculative suggestion...is that music theory might plausibly give some help with this problem.196

So that's David Fowler admitting that music theory can provide the secret to how Archytas doubled the cube but admitting to not knowing how.

reply to post by fulllotusqigong

5/4 is the cube root of two.

No, 5/4 is 1.25. 1.25 cubed is 1.953125, not 2.

Or does it work out exactly in 'noncommutative mathematics'?

Oh, and this is also rubbish:

De Broglie then figured out that when time expands as infinite phase amplitude then frequency as the consciousness pilot wave goes to zero.

He did not. Phase and amplitude are different properties of a wave. There is no such thing as 'phase amplitude'. Phase is an angle, so it can never be infinite; its value always lies between zero and 360 degrees. And de Broglie never thought consciousness was a wave. That's your claim:

Consciousness is a superliminal, faster than light, pilot wave guiding spacetime and energy-matter.

No empirical result justifies such a claim. It is, like practically everything else you have written in this thread, horseapples. There is not the faintest hint of empirical evidence to back it up. You don't know a thing about physics, do you?

Nor, I suspect, very much about music. I notice you couldn't even explain properly what a fifth interval is when somebody asked.

Your posts are confusing, not because they are full of difficult but rigourous ideas but because

1. you don't actually understand the ideas and fields of study you make reference to, and
   
   
2. you deliberately make them confusing. You do this because you know that if you were to write clearly, even the most poorly educated person here would be able to see immediately that your ideas are without merit.

I know you've been doing this for a long time, Drew – your effusions are all over the internet. I'm sure you've learnt by now that you can't fool all the people all of the time. So don't bother to reply. Just pull the other one, it has de Broglie hidden variables on it.

Originally posted by Astyanax

5/4 is the cube root of two.

No, 5/4 is 1.25. 1.25 cubed is 1.953125, not 2.

Yeah we're talking 400 BCE not 2012. Before zero was invented. So it's the invention of "incommensurability" -- not the invention of logarithms in the 17th C. Thanks for the clarification though. Incommensurability is a fancy math term for the irrational number.

Furthermore the application of this theory to geometrical arithmetic contributed towards an understanding of the problem of geometric similarity, and this problem in turn soon led to the problem of linear incommensurability.” (173- 4)….On the other side the “theory of the logoi,” under the impulse of the music theory, could have been the main stream of mathematical research, producing the results of the VIII book of the Elements, the first negative proof of incommensurability and more advanced geometric applications, as in Archytas' algorithm to find two mean proportionals.220

Luigi Borzacchini, Historia Matematica listserve [HM] Music and Incommensurability, Mon, 12 Jul
1999.

In other words when music theory paved the road toward the discovery of incommensurability the idea of geometric magnitude was too clumsy to develop and even to understand such discovery, and it was exactly the possibility of the geometric drawing of a not-existent music interval to foster the development of the Aristotelean continuity.224

Luigi Borzacchini, “Music and Incommensurability,” Historia-Matematica, August 18, 1999.

Originally posted by Astyanax

No empirical result justifies such a claim.

It recently has been demonstrated that signals conveyed by evanescent modes can travel faster than light. In this report some special features of signals are introduced and investigated, for instance the fundamental property that signals are frequency band limited. Evanescent modes are characterized by extraordinary properties: Their energy is negative, they are not directly measurable, and the evanescent region is not causal since the modes traverse this region instantaneously. The study demonstrates the necessity of quantum mechanics in order to understand the superluminal signal velocity of classical evanescent modes.683

G. Nimtz, “Superluminal signal velocity,” Annalen der Physik, Volume 7, Issue 7-8, pages 618–624,
December 1998.

Yeah and on the supposed confusion -- don't blame me I'm just the messenger.

Remember this is a conspiracy -- the "secret of the sect" -

So what do the professional mathematicians say?

Math professor Luigi Borzacchini gives us the real answer that the “pop” mathematicians don't want to admit: (iii) after Dedekind, Cantor, Hilbert, Zermelo, Goedel, Cohen we know that the Aristotelean and Euclidean continuum admits numerable models, that we can not give to its modern versions a first order categorical axiomatization, that the geometrical continuum can not be proved coincident with the numerical one, that it can not be empirically verified, that the place of the numerical continuum in the transfinite hierarchy is one of the greatest so far open questions, that it is linked to the most disputed axiom of set theory, etc.247

Luigi Borzacchini, “Music and Incommensurability,” Historia-Matematica, August 18, 1999

Originally posted by Astyanax
Phase and amplitude are different properties of a wave. There is no such thing as 'phase amplitude'. Phase is an angle, so it can never be infinite; its value always lies between zero and 360 degrees.

IN THIS CASE THE TERM PHASE MANIPULATIONS REFERS DIRECTLY TO THE PERIOD OF THE SOUND WAVES BEING AS MUCH AS 180 DEGREES OUT OF PHASE WITH THE INITIAL PROPAGATION. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU START OUT WITH A BUNCH OF SOUND WAVES AND STRIP OFF PART OF THESE WAVES ALLOWING THEM TO RECOMBINE WITH THE STRIPPED OFF PORTION HAVING ITS AMPLITUDE EXACTLY OPPOSITE MOST OF THE ORIGINAL WAVES IN THE GROUP.

from

Sound now proven faster than light

Citing

Sound breaks the Light Barrier

"The doctrine that the world is made up of objects whose existence is independent of human consciousness turns out to be in conflict with quantum mechanics and with facts established by experiment." Bernard d'Espagnat

So as I stated Bernard d'Espagnat states consciousness is logically inferred from quantum physics

The author begins by describing recent discoveries in quantum physics such as nonseparability, and explicating the significance of contemporary developments such as decoherence. Then he proceeds to set various philosophical theories of knowledge--such as materialism, realism, Kantism, and neo-Kantism--against the conceptual problems quantum theory raises. His overall conclusion is that while the physical implications of quantum theory suggest that scientific knowledge will never truly describe mind-independent reality, the notion of such an ultimate reality--one we can never access directly or rationally and which he calls "veiled reality"--remains conceptually necessary nonetheless

On Physics and Philosophy Bernard d'Espagnat

how would this translate to guitar?

Originally posted by Patchman
how would this translate to guitar?

You'd want a fretless guitar or moveable frets.

There's some stuff online if you look.

Originally posted by Astyanax
And de Broglie never thought consciousness was a wave. That's your claim:

Consciousness is a superliminal, faster than light, pilot wave guiding spacetime and energy-matter.

Main Page MikeTowler, 10 February 2009 (created 27 November 2007) no tags This is the web site for Mike Towler's graduate lecture course on the foundations of quantum mechanics, specializing in pilot-wave theory (otherwise known as Bohmian mechanics or de Broglie-Bohm theory).

De Broglie-Bohm pilot-wave theory and the foundations of quantum mechanics

The temporal structure of conscious experience is particularly interesting. Usual view of time says only present and what is in it exists. But for example how can we then - when listening to music - perceive, as opposed to just remember, a structure that includes notes heard a little time ago and anticipates perception of future notes? The previous notes - according to the usual view of time - no longer exist. We nevertheless perceive melody as a whole structure that is in some sense ‘timeless’. One of Bohm’s ideas attempts to explain this ‘time consciousness’.