Are people ignoring the facts about Homosexuality?

Originally posted by deepankarm
reply to post by Gseven

 

These homo supporters know how to make you feel guilty and ashamed by shouting insults .
I just laugh at them... lol.

You know, the thing that I don't get about people and debates like this is that everyone is so closed minded before they even read any of the facts.

There are a few simple, irrefutable facts about homosexuality that every single person on both sides of the argument always ignores;

1)Gay people have been around for a very, very long time i.e. This is not something that has just popped up in modern society. Do some historical research and you will see references everywhere to them from the bible, to ancient Greek society, to ancient India and so on.

2)Societies opinions toward the matter have always waxed and waned from acceptance to hatred

3)There is nothing that can be done on either side of the argument to make homosexuals go away. Even if and when scientists are able to nail a single reason down for it happening, it will still not completely stop homosexuals from being born. (note by born I mean both literally and as in 'coming out')

4) Non gay people have absolutely nothing to fear from Gay people. It is not a disease and you cannot be 'recruited' So stop worrying about it, cos it aint gonna happen to you.

5) Not all Gay are people paedophiles and sexual predators nor are all paedohiles and sexual predators gay! The mere fact that innocent little girls get molested by married men should be enough to quash that horrid and vile accusation right there. (My very own mother was molested by a married man whom has never had gay sexual relations, so I do speak with authority on this one)

So people, instead of wasting all of your hate, or all of energy fighting said hate, why don't we all find common ground and fight some of societies real evils, like the homelessness and poverty.

reply to post by deepankarm


? I stated what they believe? I find it funny they in fact believe that people are not born gay, but they also believe all are born in sin, they also believe homosexuality is a sin, and they are indoctrinated into believing this way, and they are accusing homosexuals or learning to be gay.....

One indoctrinated group is claiming another group is how they are because they are indoctrinated...

reply to post by charles1952


The numbers reflect that HIV will infect anyone who is engaging in unsafe sexually behavior. HIV is transmitted at a higher rate by Gay men in THIS COUNTRY, but that does not have a single barring on the actual disease what so ever. It simply reflects that Gay men in THIS country engage in unsafe sexual acts more often then other demographics. Sexuality has very little to do with the transmission of STDs, unless it is accompanied by an underlying social effect.

I was responding to the comment that the CDC states that HIV is more common in Gay men. The Link I provided show that even though the sample the CDC is using for it's evaluation is accurate it doesn't show the entire picture and doesn't illustrate the cause of the HIV balance being tilted towards the Gay male community in this country.

The CDC's statement standing alone is just like saying "A lot of Gays and lesbians drive Subaru's" and leaving out the fact that Subaru was the first Auto maker to market directly to the LGBT community and the first to offer Domestic partner benefits. It doesn't show the cause of the result, just the result.

reply to post by rainbowbear


I agree with the concept that gay people aren't born gay. That doesn't make it a bad thing though. We aren't born with a specific preference to pizza are we? It develops over time. Mostly during our childhood. Although they weren't born that way I don't think they have a choice either. The same way I can't choose to not like pizza.

Speaking of Pizza...I'm hungry.

I know its terrible,

I was out for an meal recently and my friend with benefits as such lol at the time ordered this dish with massive chilli, jalepenos et al... I was horrified going dutch but on an "night by night" basis it was my cheque... I chose an very nice place as she needed cheering up and maybe due to recent events to feel a bit special again.

all that money for an dish with no flavor just spice....can get the same taste for 1/10th of price in an local student indian place... and laugh to at the silly drunk students who frequent there.

I ordered Spinach and Ricotta main dish ( for several reasons) I could see the revulsion on her face.....

"uck"

We both really really enjoyed our mains, really really good food as the quality and price, in fact so much so I became a little aware during the last 1/3 maybe had not paid her enough attention and to much stuffing my face and looking sown at meal whilst enjoying wine with it....

Tried to make up for this but realised just as soon to that was trying to stop an dolphin chasing an fish... wait till she has finished.....

Who was right?

BOTH OF US

Not being partial to eating the french's favourite national emblem, and also sometimes food dish, and certainly symbol "cock" as an strong masculine part of the french psyche, does not mean those who like it are wrong.

We just have different tastes

I unlike most on here am very very very happy to admit that many years ago whilst seeing what I liked and not, maybe experimented with that dish once, but not of my flavor or satisfaction.

I ate some of the chilli madness one quarter of an fork the last part as such of her meal, as she defocused from what she was into, and could not or even begin to understand how and why she could get that much into it or enjoy it soo much.

Her to from the looks at my spinach and cheese lol, but we are different in our tastes

who is right?

Are we not all?

If I stood up and screamed at her for her choices of what to put into her body, to enjoy to desire in the restaurant I would and should be controlled and made to allow her "free will".

"Free will" if used with no harm to others (on the part of the action person doing the action) is the gift and only gist we have as humans from any "god" or source or whatever.

Using yours to stop or berate others is the highest ignorance imho.

But I have to be very careful not to cross that line and be hypocritical myself.

I respect your beliefs and tastes, but dont think they are any better or worse than mine, in fact that is an Lie I feel they are worse or properly said less informed and more conditioned than mine, but they are yours and you has much right to them as I have to say what I am.

Would it not be boring if we all agreed?

Where is the spice with no difference?

Grow up embrace diversity it makes us humans, it means hopefully our offspring will survive, grow and have their own.

I really really and am not telling fibs have known the most outwardley, known as well is not descriptive enough been affected by in my life, nicest most god fearing folk, of may differant gods, who will say similar to you and yet beat their wives behind closed doors and go "paki" or "gay" bashing on weekends.

Whilst also knonw drug addicted gay fu+++++ up you get the picture emotional turmoil people who have no split second thought to show love and compassion, just instantly do it what needs to be done and dissapear maybe to an homeless shelter that night....

And the opposite to, the drug fueled "oh poor me" sociopath using his/her situation and tragic life history to manipulate situations and people.

Such broad generalisations as the OP postulates are never never never close to the truth.

"are people ignoring the facts about homosexuality"

Yes they are, they are not homosexuals they are Human beings, some are bad some are good like some evangelists are money making hell bound liars and some police officers sociopaths, whilst also some are angels and servants of the highest good.

Love

Elf.

They ignore it because they don't care about homosexuals. When people see a guy kissing a guy its gross but when a girl kissing a girl its okay like really? one of my friends is gay and he always complains about that
i just ignore him though

reply to post by Arles Morningside


Are you serious??
Its natural to watch the activity of the moral enemies and condemn those whenever possible.

People please read this tract DoomTown to learn more about the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah. Also please read Born That Way: The Truth About Homosexuality to find out the truth about Homosexuality!

Here is a place that can help you overcome homosexuality Exodus International they can give you the tools and training to come out of your sinful lifestyle. Be free in Christ!

reply to post by PharohGnosis


Oh for goodness sake, 'tools and training' So what, now you are offering a diploma in Straightness??

Sheesh, go find some Muslims to convert or something..........

reply to post by Lionhearte


Everyone has the right to make karma and reap what they sow right? The Impersonal Law will take care of it all.

reply to post by PharohGnosis


Okay, the link you provided shows that the rate for rapes of males was .8 per 1,000 persons age 12 or older. Not 8 per 1000, but .8. It also states that in 1985, the U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics reported in The Crime of Rape that there were 123,000 male rapes over a ten-year period.

In response to Tupac regarding the statistics of male-female rape, those statistics are as follows -

The National Crime Victimization Survey estimated that 500,000 sexual assaults occurred in the U.S. from 1992 to 1993.

So 377,000 more reported sexual crimes against women in one year as opposed to a 10 year span of reported male-male crimes.

Also, just to point out, the male-male crime report doesn't specify whether it includes prison related assaults or not. I would be curious to see what part of that .8 is prison related. Interestingly enough, it does say that it includes anti-gay crimes from heterosexual males against homosexual males.

However, male sexual assault has nothing to do with the sexual orientation of the attacker or the victim, just as a sexual assault does not make the victim survivor gay, bisexual or heterosexual. It is a violent crime that affects heterosexual men as much as gay men. The phrase "homosexual rape," for instance, which is often used by uninformed persons to designate male-male rape, camouflages the fact that the majority of the rapists are not generally homosexual (Donaldson, 1990).

reply to post by markosity1973


''everyone is so close minded" , eh.
How hypocritical, don't you see.
And please don't bother to tell me about the history of this behaviour.
Every moral society has considered this wrong throughout history and vice versa.
Judging by the present condition of western society, i don't have to guess which side you are...

reply to post by deepankarm


"Judge not lest ye be judge" Kinda core part of Christianity

Pigeons after menstrual cycle for the priest? Why? Does anyone do this any more???
bible.cc...

Killing witches....They stopped doing that...and if they wanted to start up again,(click click)
bible.cc...

My point is, things change, don't spout morality and blah blah, when there are thousands of examples of things, equal and connected to the major reason for the hatred of Homosexuality that you are not following. Hypocritical thinking makes you seem small minded and ignorant, and yes bigoted. Born, learned, recruited, you don't have to have sex with a man if you don't want to, and you don't have to watch either. Perhaps it's that barking back and forth that God doesn't like and not the act of the individual.

reply to post by LDragonFire


You are comparing 'sin' with biological knowledge.....seriously, do you think both are the same???

reply to post by deepankarm


1)You can guess all you want, but you will never know for sure until you know me, which you do not.

2)I am in no way suggesting that you have to like homosexuality, but you cannot stamp it out either.

3) If you, like me have Christian values, why not spend your time on the positive instead of the negative? God is all powerful and all knowing, don't you think he has it all under control?

Most common things said about that subject

1- "I dont want them rubbin it in my face".......rubbin what in you face? nuts?
2-"I dont wanna see them makin out in public"...I dont wanna see anyone making out in public, get a room
3-"marriage is between a man and a woman"......the only people I see ever bitchin about that is fat women
4-"gay people are born that way".........straight people are born that way
5-"gay people are better dressers"....definately not true
6-"its not right for gay couples to adopt a kid"......find JUST ONE kid adopted bye gay parents that agrees with that
7-"all women are lesbians"...well not true ,they are mostly bi, ever been to a strip club?..its just ok because they wear lots of makeup and are "feminine" lesbians, not manly dykes

could go on , people are always gonna suck,,,cool ones in there too though

reply to post by deepankarm


I'd venture to say that there are plenty more (and far worse) contributing factors to the present condition of western society than homosexuality.

Homosexuality is natural and is observed in nature. en.wikipedia.org...

I don't know if it has anything to do with genetics, I'm under the impression that it's just a preference and that there's nothing unnatural about it.

Originally posted by rainbowbear
reply to post by Destinyone

 

there are many many many things the rainbow symbolises, gay rights being the latest one....

Quite right.

Baa baa rainbow sheep... to keep the racists out of schools.

rainbow's being hijacked by any agenda, because it's just the in thing to do. Never mind that it only makes an issue larger.

reply to post by PriestOfAries

Dear PriestofAries,

And thank you for responding.

As people around here will tell you, I am easily confused. Please take my questions with the patience you have heretofore shown.

It simply reflects that Gay men in THIS country engage in unsafe sexual acts more often then other demographics. Sexuality has very little to do with the transmission of STDs, unless it is accompanied by an underlying social effect.

Are you saying that anal sex is no more dangerous than heterosexual sex? Is gay sex, in itself, an unsafe sexual act?

I was responding to the comment that the CDC states that HIV is more common in Gay men. The Link I provided show that even though the sample the CDC is using for it's evaluation doesn't show the entire picture and doesn't illustrate the cause of the HIV balance being tilted towards the Gay male community in this country.

The numbers I used were the complete total for 2009 for 40 states. Their best estimate is to add another 15% or so to cover the other states. But, I completely agree that it doesn't explain why. Is it wrong to offer hypotheses? I don't have facts (That's why I'm asking for help.), but does a gay man have sex with more partners than a straight man? (I don't mean to offend, but I'm tired of typing the long word.) Is anal sex more conducive to transmission than vaginal? Are gay men less likely to use condoms?

The CDC's statement standing alone is just like saying "A lot of Gays and lesbians drive Subaru's" and leaving out the fact that Subaru was the first Auto maker to market directly to the LGBT community and the first to offer Domestic partner benefits. It doesn't show the cause of the result, just the result.

This confuses me completelyBecause I don't know what gays and lesbians are supposed to be choosing, unless you're simply saying that a conclusion is reached without a cause. If that's the case, we can go back to my hypotheses (or yours, if you have any).

Thanks for your time and help.

With respect,
Charles1952