Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

reply to post by -W1LL


Lol, yeah. Last time i checked, the SS murdered its way through eastern europe.

Maybe not exactly like the SS, but point taken!

Originally posted by -W1LL

Originally posted by nightbringr
Roflmao @ people comparing this to Hitlers SS.

The day they start summarily executing people on the streets ill agree.

your ignorance is NOT amusing.
www.huffingtonpost.com...

and 8th grade kid enough for you to notice? I coul go all day posting links like this. the abuse of power by our gov. has reached a new level 400 people were just arested tear gassed flash banged, but all the while our Pres. our supposed leader is supporting other countries protests and funding those countries demise.

no not like hitler et all

edit on 1/31/2012 by -W1LL because: (no reason given)

Ok, yes that 8th grader death was horrible.

But what you obviously fail to see is that ALL of Hitlers SS were able to kill at will and without reprimand. The level of brutality they subjected the German people to, and more importantly the minority communities was beyond comparison. How old are you, son?

The minute the police in the US run rampant, attacking all Jews, Poles, Gypsies, White Russians and more, never with a word of reprimand from the government, ill agree. Your ignorance knows no bounds. It would suit you well to spend some time in 1930's Germany to see how a real police state is run.

Originally posted by ClydeFrog42
reply to post by -W1LL

 

Lol, yeah. Last time i checked, the SS murdered its way through eastern europe.

Maybe not exactly like the SS, but point taken!

I have to admit I am fumed about this, are we WW2 Germany?
I dont see that yet but the road we are headed down is leading to the same laws of homeland security and TSA special privileged police with little to no training or understanding of the law controlling the public with a holier than thou attitude to civilians. it wont be long until we have our own terrorist black book like the red scare in hollywood and the US.

Originally posted by nightbringr

Originally posted by -W1LL

Originally posted by nightbringr
Roflmao @ people comparing this to Hitlers SS.

The day they start summarily executing people on the streets ill agree.

your ignorance is NOT amusing.
www.huffingtonpost.com...

and 8th grade kid enough for you to notice? I coul go all day posting links like this. the abuse of power by our gov. has reached a new level 400 people were just arested tear gassed flash banged, but all the while our Pres. our supposed leader is supporting other countries protests and funding those countries demise.

no not like hitler et all

edit on 1/31/2012 by -W1LL because: (no reason given)

Ok, yes that 8th grader death was horrible.

But what you obviously fail to see is that ALL of Hitlers SS were able to kill at will and without reprimand. The level of brutality they subjected the German people to, and more importantly the minority communities was beyond comparison. How old are you, son?

The minute the police in the US run rampant, attacking all Jews, Poles, Gypsies, White Russians and more, never with a word of reprimand from the government, ill agree. Your ignorance knows no bounds. It would suit you well to spend some time in 1930's Germany to see how a real police state is run.

our law enforcement does exactly that now but instead of a a race or religious group it is all civilians in their sights.

I have not seen any police officer do time for this kids death come to think of it out of all the stories I have read the officers get little to no jail time compared to civilians our LE are above the LAW.

usually what happens is the officers make excuses for their actions as we see in this article.

I can think of several mentally ill or homeless people on buses being beaten and killed by officers and what is their punishment for their abuses. a week without pay and retraining? the criminal justice system is a joke and police officers do NOT fear the consequences of their actions. or we wouldn't be seeing what we see almost every day.

basically this female officer said papers please he did not provide them and he got tazed for it... thats a scary situation for any law abiding citizen.

reply to post by -W1LL


This is why you don't own "lap dogs."

I had a friend with two dobermans, he didn't believe in guns, but his wife was a model (literally), and he bought two very expensive dobermans to stay home with her when he was away on business. When he was home, he would jog with the dogs, and they were trained to stay close to him as he snapped his fingers rhythmically.

One morning at about 5 a.m., he was stopped by a police officer and questioned for being out at that time of night in a city park. He explained that he was jogging, etc., etc. but the officer repeatedly told him to stop snapping his fingers. He told the officer that it wasn't a good idea, but the officer became agitated and demanded it, and threatened him. SO... .he stopped. And a second later, two very large, very angry looking, snarling dobermans surrounded the officer. The officer let him start snapping again right away.

The moral of the story is not to buy lapdogs and walk them off the leash. If you are going to break leash laws, do it with BIG dogs!

Now, the guy that told me this story was a bit of a character, but he swears it is true, and I know he did travel a lot, and I know his wife was a fairly famous model, but all the other facts may or may not be entirely true. Still a great story though.

reply to post by getreadyalready


LOL for the most part I believe that story... I do exactly the same with my dogs snap my finger and they are at my side.

reply to post by -W1LL


You honestly have no clue.

It is getting worse in the US, yes. But comparing it to Nazi Germany is a laugh. I suggest you simply read a little of wikipedias entry on the Gestapo. Your US government is no were near as brutal yet. Not even close.

Originally posted by nightbringr
reply to post by -W1LL

 

You honestly have no clue.

It is getting worse in the US, yes. But comparing it to Nazi Germany is a laugh. I suggest you simply read a little of wikipedias entry on the Gestapo. Your US government is no were near as brutal yet. Not even close.

thats your opinion and I agree to an extent I know about the gestapo and about what went on in nazi german before during and after maybe you should look into the Before nazi germany we are on the same road as the nazis... papers please!

reply to post by getreadyalready


He's lucky the cop didnt just shoot those big dogs, taze him, and haul his ass in for assaulting an officer.

They have too much power to claim that any action on your part will be better than any other. Even complete prone submission isnt a guarantee you wont be tazed or killed.

Every cop encounter is a gamble. Will it be a decent human being? A taze-happy lunatic? A trigger-happy lunatic? Some roid-raging nut on a power trip?

They're like wild animals. No way to tell what they're going to do. They're a dangerous species best avoided at all costs.

Originally posted by nightbringr
reply to post by -W1LL

 

You honestly have no clue.

It is getting worse in the US, yes. But comparing it to Nazi Germany is a laugh. I suggest you simply read a little of wikipedias entry on the Gestapo. Your US government is no were near as brutal yet. Not even close.

Yeah, no kidding. The comparison is almost disgusting. Anyone who knows anything about Nazi controlled Europe wouldn't dare compare it to modern day America.

Knowledge is power, people!!

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


True!

Avoidance is the best answer.

In this case, my friend was older, tall, very, very fit, and very in control of most situations. Even if the cop had his gun out, he would probably only have gotten 1 dog before the guy and the other dog tore him up. I'm pretty sure he realized he was way outgunned at the moment, and he chose the safe retreat. Especially since there was no indication of any crime, no call, just a random 5 a.m. jogger and those are not all that uncommon. The cop was out of his element from the start, he had no business with the stop, and even if he was a bad cop, he was smart enough to cut his losses on a losing encounter.

BUT, it is definitely a crap shoot each and every time.

On the day of my divorce, I encountered a cop, and I was intentionally antagonizing him, I even touched his gun! He got all deep and psychological on me, and asked what had messed up my day so bad, and he knelt down and just talked to me? A regular ol' city cop, on a motorcycle, and he took a situation where I was fully committed to getting tazed or shot, and instead I left with a traffic ticket and thanking him for his time. Now that was a GREAT COP!

Originally posted by nightbringr
reply to post by -W1LL

 

You honestly have no clue.

It is getting worse in the US, yes. But comparing it to Nazi Germany is a laugh. I suggest you simply read a little of wikipedias entry on the Gestapo. Your US government is no were near as brutal yet. Not even close.

I do not believe that comparing the US to Nazi Germany is a stretch. Many of the things Hitler did was accomplished through a legal framework. That framework was put into place very very quickly. The US is not much different now, we are putting the legal framework into place, we are just moving at a much much slower pace.

But he wasn't being 100% perfectly compliant, therefore it's perfectly okay to use force on him. /sarcasm

It amazes me sometimes that I live in a society where people will demonize you for giving an extremely unruly holy terror a quick pop on the hand, but they're perfectly okay with an adult who is only being moderately uncooperative getting stuck with what is practically a cattle prod.

reply to post by Xcathdra


It is more than that actions of one. It's impossible for you to see I know.
Also worth considering reports that the police discriminate against hiring individuals with higher intelligence ( purportedly so they won't get bored with the job). This is all for a reason.

Originally posted by -W1LL

Originally posted by nightbringr
Roflmao @ people comparing this to Hitlers SS.

The day they start summarily executing people on the streets ill agree.

your ignorance is NOT amusing.
www.huffingtonpost.com...

an 8th grade kid enough for you to notice?
I could go all day posting links like this. the abuse of power by our gov. has reached a new level 400 people were just arrested tear gassed flash banged, but all the while our Pres. our supposed leader is supporting other countries protests and funding those countries demise.



no not like hitler et all

edit on 1/31/2012 by -W1LL because: (no reason given)

edit on 1/31/2012 by -W1LL because: (no reason given)

W1LL, you're 100% correct. Anyone who refuses to see the stark similarity is either in denial or, perhaps, just living in Canada and not caring what we're dealing with here.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

It is more than that actions of one. It's impossible for you to see I know.
Also worth considering reports that the police discriminate against hiring individuals with higher intelligence ( purportedly so they won't get bored with the job). This is all for a reason.

For rubes to somehow justify their hatred towards law enforcement while at the same time trying to hide their ignorance and complete and total lack of independent thought?

Whats really funny and sad at the very same times is how you all think every single law enforcement officer is exactly the same, with the same training, same weapons, enforcing the same laws and all belong to one big national police force.

What sad about that is all it takes is 5 seconds to go to any website for a police department to see their hiring requirements. What you will find is most police agencies require a minimum of an A.A. / 60 hour equivalent, and more who require a Bachelors degree. You guys ignore this because it doesn't fit in with the stereotypical view you all push because you simply hate the police.

You refuse to learn the basics, like how laws and rights work, simply because knowing that info would not allow you and the others to stereotype officers while comparing them to the Nazis.

Did the park ranger make a poor choice by using a Taser? With the info I have and in my opinion yes.
Did the person the ranger was dealing with bring the encounter on himself? Yes
Did that person break the law? Yes, and it was spelled out what those charges were.

The person resisted a lawful detention / arrest / stop. The person was temporarily seized by the officer, meaning that person could not exercise freedom of movement on their own. The person had no ability to decide on their own that they could just walk away from the officer.

I have seen people bitch about asking for the identification of the person stopped. What I find funny is the lack of understanding you and others have for that action. You do understand it links the call, the person involved and the officer all together right? An encounter is created in the dispatch system that contains the officer, the reason for contact, the person contacted, and the outcome of that encounter. Or would you prefer law enforcement officers do their stops / contacts in secret?

Those logs are a matter of public record and available under sunshine law requests. However if we do it in secret there are no logs of the encounter. Those logs not only assist when citizens complaints come in, its done to keep track of the officer as well.

So while I understand the irritation people have with law enforcement, the paranoia you and others have coupled with a total and complete lack of knowledge on the law, how the government is divided up, the difference between federal state county and local police and their jurisdictions as well as the inability to recognize that the citizen broke the law, only proves to me that the level of education is lacking on your side of the fence and not the officers.

By all means though, you guys go back to the NAZI comparisons and ranting on how stupid the police are based on a study that is an off base as your analysis of the situation.

reply to post by Xcathdra


We don't. Those are your words. I am saying you can't see from a civilians point of view. One crime perpetrated by so called law enforcement is too much. It has become far too regular an occurance and it has become more common. It is increasing it is undeniable. So maybe you don't all have the same training, and you aren't all the same, but the people controlling the police and hiring the police are definitely following a trend and we can only expect more of the bad.

It is absolutely true that they do discriminate against higher intelligence when hiring, unfortunately they most likely discriminate in many more ways. So you can go off for as long as you want about it, but I wasn't wrong. I know you think they way you do because you are a cop and I can never expect you to understand, but if you can't see what the problem is than you are part of it.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


No, actually you would be wrong. As far as not being able to see you might want to take a closer look in the mirror since you seem to allow your hatred of law enforcement to cloud your judgment. Being I am a citizen I can see it from your point of view. Since you have never been in Law Enforcement there is no way you can see it from this side of the fence.

You seem comfortable stereotyping so I will let you get back to it all by your lonesome. I take comfort in the knowledge that you are a vocal minority.

reply to post by Xcathdra


I am not stereotyping? What are you talking about? I am pointing out a trend.
An obvious one.

Originally posted by ClydeFrog42

Originally posted by nightbringr
reply to post by -W1LL

 

You honestly have no clue.

It is getting worse in the US, yes. But comparing it to Nazi Germany is a laugh. I suggest you simply read a little of wikipedias entry on the Gestapo. Your US government is no were near as brutal yet. Not even close.

Yeah, no kidding. The comparison is almost disgusting. Anyone who knows anything about Nazi controlled Europe wouldn't dare compare it to modern day America.

Knowledge is power, people!!

Nobody is comparing it to modern day America. You have but nobody else did.

Knowledge is power. History repeats itself. It starts small, it gets bigger.

Gestapo were secret police. We have secret police. From the wiki.

The Gestapo had the authority to investigate cases of treason, espionage, sabotage and criminal attacks on the Nazi Party and Germany. The basic Gestapo law passed by the government in 1936 gave the Gestapo carte blanche to operate without judicial oversight. The Gestapo was specifically exempted from responsibility to administrative courts, where citizens normally could sue the state to conform to laws. As early as 1935, however, a Prussian administrative court had ruled that the Gestapo's actions were not subject to judicial review. The SS officer Werner Best, onetime head of legal affairs in the Gestapo,[9] summed up this policy by saying, "As long as the police carries out the will of the leadership, it is acting legally."[4]

Sound familiar?

Seriously its happening all over again, we are passing the same laws that were precursors to Nazi Germany. This is our CIA. The facts are available 24/7.