This is why the occupy movement MUST BE STOPPED!!!

reply to post by Xality


Wow!

Well said.

Some many requisites just to protest I see

You have noted as have I that most people in the Occupy camp have had enough with a bought and paid for government and want an end to it.

It would definitely be in the moneyed interests to smear it at all costs.

It must just burn these maggots at the top up that the Occupy Camp has the audacity to challenge the status quo, especially without paying money for it as they do, and especially with no leader for them to compromise and buy out.

reply to post by jacobe001


Thank you

Yes, in a way Occupy is so simple but all this misinformation is doing it so much harm.

Instead of Occupy being about the bailouts, the fed, lobbying, banks... is now about riots, communism, socialism... heck I am sure extraterrestrial invasion will come up sooner or later, rapists, drugs, hippies, etc.

The people are doing what they do best, divide!!!

I heard an interview in the radio when I was at Occupy that was so sad, but so true about today's society

Host: "tell me though, are you with the Occupiers or with the bankers?"
Woman: "oh with the bankers"
Host: "why?..."
Woman: "because they dress better"

You can claim that Politics arnt involved,I can show you they want their own political party.

occupywallst.org...
70% of #OWS Supporters are Politically Independent
So much for the Communist Mantra. You have a problem with Independents?

You can claim its for the people,I can show you it doesn't represent me .

That's fine...Hitler does not represent me either, shrug??

Too many groups of disenfranchised people,with different goals,and agendas.

That's not the picture I am getting from all over

See,Occupy failed because it wants no leaders,and has no leaders. To many Indians,and NO chiefs.

It takes time to build the movement first before a good foundation is laid and leaders are democratically elected.
Take a look at any past movement and they can take years.

You can claim its peaceful,I can show you it has become violent.

Thousands of people show up at many locations across the US and I don't see all of them engaged in violent outbreaks as you suggest.

You would think with that many people, the areas all across America where they gathered would have been disaster zones.

reply to post by Zaanny

I spent many hours a few months back watching the occupy wall street movement in N.Y.C. and those protestors were totally putting out a positive vibe...

When I was watching last night the only feeling I got was these people are not the same, they were looking to break into a " vacant " building to " occupy " for a " community " space.

That just sounds like wanting to commit breaking and entering.....

Then I saw people running all over Oakland chanting "F" the police....

Then I saw them burn the national flag and that was enough.....

I can understand being upset about the current conditions but to disgrace the flag that GENERATIONS of Americans have fought for and lost their lives for you to express your displeasure is very sickening.

I can understand flying the flag upside down to show that the country is in distress but to burn it is WAY past the line.

They didn't fight and die for the flag, they fought and died for the Constitution of the Republic of the United States of America and the freedom of its people. The flag is just a symbol of how great this country was (1835-1913) until how it is now.

Marbury vs Madison:

It is emphatically the province and duty of the Judicial Department [the judicial branch] to say what the law is. Those who apply the rule to particular cases must, of necessity, expound and interpret that rule. If two laws conflict with each other, the Courts must decide on the operation of each.
So, if a law [e.g., a statute or treaty] be in opposition to the Constitution, if both the law and the Constitution apply to a particular case, so that the Court must either decide that case conformably to the law, disregarding the Constitution, or conformably to the Constitution, disregarding the law, the Court must determine which of these conflicting rules governs the case. This is of the very essence of judicial duty. If, then, the Courts are to regard the Constitution, and the Constitution is superior to any ordinary act of the Legislature, the Constitution, and not such ordinary act, must govern the case to which they both apply.

Those, then, who controvert the principle that the Constitution is to be considered in court as a paramount law are reduced to the necessity of maintaining that courts must close their eyes on the Constitution, and see only the law [e.g., the statute or treaty].
This doctrine would subvert the very foundation of all written constitutions.b]

I dont think the OP is exactly correct. These people are a small percentage of the many who are actually taking part in these protests

Originally posted by L00kingGlass

Originally posted by VerityPhantom
It's time Occupy get a leader... Someone who can keep them under control and they need to stop going on random streets. They should all do a nation wide march toward the white house and protest just like the million man march the problem is congress passing bad law not the radio shack down the street or America. I LOVE America I love the very idea it represents but I do not love the people running it. Like someone said on here already I think the public needs to start making public arrests.

Have them dressed like bankers and politicians, (suits and ties) and go around helping the poor or doing similar good deeds. Then they can claim moral authority over bankers and politicians and have a greater chance for their message to be received and expanded upon.

Running around breaking things dressed like dirty hooligans, camping out, and preaching communist ideals isn't doing anything but attracting police attention and the scorn of the criminal elite. Rise above them to defeat them.

edit on 31-1-2012 by L00kingGlass because: (no reason given)

Yes, I could agree to that, but they don't need to dress nicely and help the poor to already be morally better. These people make money off of middle class people just by taxing too much. Everyone has a right to EARN money not MAKE it.

Originally posted by openminded2011
reply to post by VerityPhantom

 

This country will not be a good place for any of us to live in if it is not a reasonably good place for all of us to live in....Laws are enacted for the benefit of the whole people, and must not be construed as permitting discrimination against some of the people. ~ Theodore Roosevelt

I'm not discriminating against "rich" people I'm expressing my frustration of them and their thievery.

Originally posted by averageGuy505

That's right. It doesn't. It's a bunch of uncoordinated people who want their country back.
...

Really?... Did you even bother to check if what you are claiming is true?... i actually did check, and posted proof to my statements...

BTW, another little fact is that one of the organizers for these events for example in Boston is none other than ACORN, but under their new name New England United 4 Justice

If you look at the bottom of the following advertisement you will find one of the partners for the Occupy Wall Street movements is New England United 4 Justice which has the same director and the same people working for the organization as when it was called ACORN.

massuniting.org...

Meanwhile the idea is in part right, the problem is the group who is behind this idea and the goal that they want.


Let's see once again the partners of the OWS movement in Boston as an example...

Right to the City coalition partners in the Boston area include Alternatives for Community & Environment, Asian American Resource Workshop, Boston Workers Alliance, Boston Climate Action Network, Chelsea Collaborative, Chinese Progressive Association, City Life/Vida Urbana, Community Change, Inc., Community Labor United, CWA Local 1400, Direct Action for Rights & Equality, Dorchester People for Peace, Green Justice Coalition, IBEW T-­‐6 Council, Lynn United for Change, Mass Alliance Against Predatory Lending, Massachusetts Global Action, Massachusetts Jobs with Justice, MASSUNITING, Merrimack Valley Project, Network for Immigrants and African Americans in Solidarity, Neighbors United for a Better East Boston, New England United for Justice, Press Pass TV, Service Employees International Union, Springfield No One Leaves, smartMeme, Survivors Inc., UE Northeast Region, UFCW Local 1445, Union of Minority Neighborhoods, UNITE HERE Local 26, Women's Fightback Network, Worcester Anti-­‐Foreclosure Team, and the Youth Jobs Coalition

massuniting.org...

The above list are leftwing groups which have been partners and founders of this movement including ACORN, and they have ties to no other than SOROS.

Do yourself a favor and watch these.

Let's read some more facts about the OWS movements and it's founders...

...
Front groups of the community organization ACORN played a major role in organizing the OWS protests nationwide. For instance, the Working Families Party (WFP), a longtime ACORN front, helped mobilize the demonstrations in New York City. "[We are] actually trying to change the capitalist system we have today because it’s not working for any of us," WFP organizer Nelini Stamp told Laura Flanders of Free Speech TV in an interview.

Meanwhile, ACORN’s newer front groups were likewise deeply involved in launching and expanding the OWS movement throughout the fall of 2011. For instance, New York Communities for Change -- led by longtime ACORN lobbyist Jon Kest -- helped WFP organize the demonstrations in lower Manhattan. In Pennsylvania, Action United participated in the "Occupy Pittsburgh" rallies. In Florida, Organize Now took part in "Occupy Orlando." The Alliance of Californians for Community Empowerment led the "Occupy L.A." protests. And New England United for Justice, headed by former ACORN national president Maude Hurd, participated in the related “Take Back Boston” rallies in Massachusetts.

The Communist Party USA (CPUSA) was also heavily involved in OWS's formation and early growth. At the heart of "Occupy Los Angeles," for instance, were two Southern California communists -- veteran Party leader Arturo Cambron and his comrade Mario Brito. In early October 2011, Brito declared that OWS's chief objective was to achieve “economic justice,” and added: “This is an international movement ... The vast majority of Americans actually believe income inequality is a major problem. The only reason they haven’t acted upon it is because there hasn’t been a mass movement.” In an October 15, 2011 address to the nearly 3,000 attendees at an "Occupy Chicago" rally, John Bachtell, a spokesman from the CPUSA's national board, claimed to “bring greetings and solidarity from the Communist Party”; he received a number of loud ovations from the crowd.
...

www.discoverthenetworks.org...


BTW, if you guys think the OWS movement was not set up by rich internationals who want to consolidate all power here is an eye opener.

Democratising Global Governance:

The Challenges of the World Social Forum

by

Francesca Beausang



ABSTRACT

This paper sums up the debate that took place during the two round tables organized by UNESCO within the first World Social Forum in Porto Alegre (25/30 January 2001). It starts with a discussion of national processes, by examining democracy and then governance at the national level. It first states a case for a "joint" governance based on a combination of stakeholder theory, which is derived from corporate governance, and of UNESCO's priorities in the field of governance. As an example, the paper investigates how governance can deviate from democracy in the East Asian model. Subsequently, the global dimension of the debate on democracy and governance is examined, first by identification of the characteristics and agents of democracy in the global setting, and then by allusion to the difficulties of transposing governance to the global level.


...
The governments of Europe, the United States, and Japan are unlikely to negotiate a social-democratic pattern of globalization – unless their hands are forced by a popular movement or a catastrophe, such as another Great Depression or ecological disaster

www.unesco.org...

As for the excuses they would use, how about making a popular movement, OWS, cause a global economic crisis, and make up the AGW/Global Warming claim to FORCE people, and governments into accepting a One World Socialist Order...


And btw, I and neither rich, nor am I a CEO, nor do I hold stock on any company but the above is part of the truth.

1.) Like it or not, it's considered free speech... protected under The Constitution. Personally, I don't like flag burning at all. I think it's a failed expression of critical thought. But I like people who want to write a ban into legislation or a Constitutional Amendment even less.

2.) It appears these guys are "anarchists"... as such they are not much loved by the folks who started the OWS movement...

3.) Wouldn't surprise me at all, if one or 2 of them were working for the Police Dept. "Agent Provocateurs" are more the rule then the exception in protest movements these days. They try to foment protesters to violence or criminal acts, so they can move in with arrests.

Ultimately... the Occupy movement will change and evolve, in the same way the public at large is waking up to the theater that is Right/Left politics. They have already come to understand, at least most of them have, that Obama and the DHS organized the mass police attacks that closed 18 OWS protests in 18 cities simultaneously.

Granted, OWS is a socialist movement... IF you get your reality predigested from the Mainstream Media. If you spend any time doing your own critical thinking (IOW you KNOW FOX, CNN, MSNBC are nothing more than propaganda outlets) you'll quickly discover OWS is NOT a socialist movement.

Either way... EXPECT to see it grow MUCH LARGER this summer, as the facade of a tyrannical government which is run by multi-national corporations (by definition a "fascist state") erodes even further.

The NDAA Indefinte Detention provisions, were designed to crush dissent. All bets are now off, regards to how far the government will go to crush dissent to illegal wars...

“If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all.”

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by Thundersmurf
I've been watching a lot of the streams as they happen and the reason they broke in to the YMCA was to escape out the back. They had no intention of damaging it or occupying it; they were kettle'd in to a corner and left with no other means of escape.

If you see pictures of occupy guys doing bad things and they're wearing all black, please don't assume they speak for the whole movement. These guys wear black so they can do radical things and slip back in to the crowd and the majority of occupy guys down there don't want anything to do with their radical form of protest.

They would not needed to *escape*
if they were not doing anything wrong.
THIS IS OCCUPY this DOES speak for the whole
group. They want violence. This is not the boston
tea party or the revolution war. Quit comparing them.
Ready for the onslaught of PRO occupy defending
the actions of these people and the occupy movement.
It will be stopped I PROMISE. [/quote



While I DO NOT condone USELESS violence, unfortunately it is the universal language. I don't care how much money you make or what nationality you are, you will understand blood and broken bones. While the real occupy movement is still peaceful, eventually I don't see any other resort but violence. I really wish you and all the other NANCIES would stop crying about the people that are out there fighting the good fight. I mean, if you really don't have anything better to do with your time then whine about what you believe from seeing on the MSM then just go to sleep or something.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by averageGuy505

That's right. It doesn't. It's a bunch of uncoordinated people who want their country back.
...

Really?... Did you even bother to check if what you are claiming is true?... i actually did check, and posted proof to my statements...

BTW, another little fact is that one of the organizers for these events for example in Boston is none other than ACORN, but under their new name New England United 4 Justice

If you look at the bottom of the following advertisement you will find one of the partners for the Occupy Wall Street movements is New England United 4 Justice which has the same director and the same people working for the organization as when it was called ACORN.

massuniting.org...

Meanwhile the idea is in part right, the problem is the group who is behind this idea and the goal that they want.


Let's see once again the partners of the OWS movement in Boston as an example...

Right to the City coalition partners in the Boston area include Alternatives for Community & Environment, Asian American Resource Workshop, Boston Workers Alliance, Boston Climate Action Network, Chelsea Collaborative, Chinese Progressive Association, City Life/Vida Urbana, Community Change, Inc., Community Labor United, CWA Local 1400, Direct Action for Rights & Equality, Dorchester People for Peace, Green Justice Coalition, IBEW T-­‐6 Council, Lynn United for Change, Mass Alliance Against Predatory Lending, Massachusetts Global Action, Massachusetts Jobs with Justice, MASSUNITING, Merrimack Valley Project, Network for Immigrants and African Americans in Solidarity, Neighbors United for a Better East Boston, New England United for Justice, Press Pass TV, Service Employees International Union, Springfield No One Leaves, smartMeme, Survivors Inc., UE Northeast Region, UFCW Local 1445, Union of Minority Neighborhoods, UNITE HERE Local 26, Women's Fightback Network, Worcester Anti-­‐Foreclosure Team, and the Youth Jobs Coalition

massuniting.org...

The above list are leftwing groups which have been partners and founders of this movement including ACORN, and they have ties to no other than SOROS.

Do yourself a favor and watch these.

edit on 1-2-2012 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)

For the videos. its not socialism or communism. Its about not letting the rich screw over the poor. like they have been for years

The people in this thread can keep trying
to polish a turd, the people in this thread
who insist keeping lipstick on a pig!
Underneath all that shine and polish, it is still
just a big juicy turd.

Like behind all that make up and lipstick
you still got a pig!!


That is where our OUTstanding occupy
supporters come in.

Keep polishing this turd they call the occupy movement..

Keep supporting this violence
Keep hiding behind that *peaceful mask*,
we see right through it by occupies actions, they speak
louder then words, we see through that fake facade,
all that make up
and lipstick they are hiding behind,
Underneath all of that you got just a bunch of VIOLENT pigs

Busy thread. Apologies if this has already been said,

Has it occured to anyone tht Occpy might be working FOR the government in order to aid in passing more draconian legislation to keep down LEGITAMATE protests?

reply to post by beezzer


Hahaha!

That just occurred to you?

reply to post by beezzer


But yes that is indeed what will happen.

Occupy is further removing the constitution and not enforcing it. They are doing nothing but damage to this country.

Legislation will be passed and those people in Occupy will be given positions in government.

Occupy is the future gestapo, mark my words.

Originally posted by beezzer
Busy thread. Apologies if this has already been said,

Has it occured to anyone tht Occpy might be working FOR the government in order to aid in passing more draconian legislation to keep down LEGITAMATE protests?

I think its more along the lines of hijacked if this is the case. I'm curently telling myself that what we have here is police provacetours (not spelled right but you get me) or over testosteroned fools that just want to feel like bad A$$

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by beezzer

 

Hahaha!

That just occurred to you?

I actually postulated it last summer before it started.

Of course it was poo-poo'd.

Originally posted by beezzer
Busy thread. Apologies if this has already been said,

Has it occured to anyone tht Occpy might be working FOR the government in order to aid in passing more draconian legislation to keep down LEGITAMATE protests?

NDAA! Let's how it rolls during the Chicago NATO/G8 Summit. I anticipate the arrival of thousands of itchy domestic terrorists during that week. This will be the Occupy movement's "Arab Spring" and it will come screeching to a halt.

reply to post by BulletShogun


Of course there are police provocoteurs, thats because the police is heavily unionized. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure this stuff all out.

OWS from the very day of it's conception was a political agenda to remove the US from the Constitution.