Flying Aussie flag on car 'more racist'

Happy Australia Day Everyone.

Every country has a history they are not proud of. It is human nature to battle and conquer and hopefully we are all as a human race trying to change our habits.

My neighbours are aboriginals and I bet you a six pack that they will be firing up the barbie, drinking and playing loud music and carry on loudly today (they throw the best parties). This is why I am heading down south to visit where our Murray River runs out to the sea today for the day.

For the record, I am from South Australia and our colony weren't descended from convicts but from high class english civilians. We sent the convicts to NSW .

Anyways fellow Aussies, Happy Australia Day and have a good one!

Originally posted by InfoKartel
Look, it might not dawn on you now or for the rest of your life, but the growing number of people who look at a flag and think: "how could my parents be so dense?" do understand.

A lot of issues in the world will wade away once everyone accepts they are part of the human race and the entire planet. Not just a small plot of land they drew a flag for, a flag for which so many die and so many are sacrificed..a piece of cloth that messes up the nerves of so many...

And don't tell me it's not the cloth that matters, "it's the idea behind it..."

Then tell me, what the hell do Australians have to be proud of? Sports

? And are we talking anglo-saxon Australians? The descendants of criminals? Their slaughtering of the native, original Australians? What is it that you are specifically proud of? Vague answers have been dealt with above.

I think that is the point of the sociologist you're missing.

How dare you, you ignorant un-Australian pig. Australia has everything to be proud of from the way the country became independent without war, to our unique culture.

You call them convicts but in reality were actually white slaves. Those white slaves built this country into being one of the most modern, wealthy, and healthy country in less than 200 years. While other nations have been around for thousands more years and there people still waddle in the mud.

There was no 'slaughtering' of the natives. Fewer than 20,000 indigenous died by conflict in 150 years while 2,000 Europeans were murdered by indigenous.

In fact, most indigenous were killed by disease which is uncontrollable, and wiped lands clean before Europeans even arrived.

So what country do you live so I can tell you about your own country?

Originally posted by mungodave
We have pride.

We wear it proudly.

Let's say you go to Australia on vacation and really fall in love with the place. You see this shirt for sale and buy it because you think it really sums up your love of Australia. Then......your back in your country of origin happily wearing your souvenier shirt.
Would'nt the message be misunderstood by some people?
Do they sell a hat or pants with a "being worn out side of the borders of Australia" rider of caveat type message, to help stave off any confusion or possible agressive response by a confused patriotic Aussie or country of Australia lover confused and angered?
I'm sure such a hat or pants would come in handy.
I think this information is important to know as I can see this scenerio happening to me!

As a foreign born Australian citizen, I don't find it racist at all. Maybe I feel that we Australians should be above blind nationalism, but none-the-less it is perfectly acceptable behaviour and I enjoy seeing Australians support their country at sporting events and so forth. But I also understand why Aboriginals call it 'invasion day' and may dislike ' Australia Day'. After all, the English did settle Australia and commit practical genocide on the Aboriginals. Since then most Aboriginals have been repressed and have lived in poverty, squolar and practical serfdom. Their life expectancies are alot shorter than ours and untill recently we were stealing their children and giving them to white parents. I understand why they feel no alegience to the flag that is suppose to bind us all and I also understand why they have contempt for it.

Originally posted by Indigo2
you say it is a day to show your aussie pride? well i say it is a time to reflect on how the british conquered and destroyed a culture.
Your get stuffed attitude is shared with many in our country and its very sad.
I believe "Invasion Day" is the correct name for it.
Not everyone who flys the australian flag and has a southern cross tattoo is racist but i do believe a large portion are ignorant.

You un-Australian ignorant pig, go back to your own country if you hate Australia so much.
IT IS a day to show pride in Australia, and for all our achievements.
The British conquered and destroyed a culture? First of all the British did not conquer as the Aborigines were not united as one nation, they were a bunch of nomads who lived off the land, meaning there was nothing to conquer and pillage. Just imagine though if the British hadn't arrived? What if the Spanish "conquered" Australia instead?Then there would be no more Aboriginals left for YOU to cry racism.
Secondly, they did not destroy Aboriginal culture, in fact there has been a boom in their culture if anything.

You think its sad that Australians show pride in this country, that we build it with bare hands to make it one of the best nations in less than 200 years? While othere nations that have existed for thousands more years are still wallowing in the mud?

Invasion Day? Go back in time and the people on the first fleet would have laughed at you. There was no invasion, no storming of the beaches of Sydney with an army. No declared war at exterminating a people who themselves at one point migrated here and wiped out the megafauna.

You are an ignorant pig who should show some respect for those that have come before us. Or get out and go back to your own third world country.

reply to post by SpeachM1litant


You do realise that Aborigines are genetically less likely to live as long as an asian, european etc.
I also believe that the stolen generation was a good thing. Aborginal children were taken from their parents and then asimilated into white society where they were given a million times greater opportunity at life. Take a look at the descendents of the stolen generation and see how better off they are compared to those still living in the bush?

Don't let some twirp in the media fracture our community spirit, today's not a day to divide and bicker but a day to come together and celebrate.

Neither I nor anyone else alive had anything to do with those atrocities of the past, we should still have reverence for that but instead of arguing about it we can choose move forwards and heal the wounds instead.

Today I'll be getting together with my Aboriginal mate, my Japanese mate and a few others and sharing a BBQ, a beer and a laugh together. That to me is what Australia day is about.

reply to post by Jace26


I don't have a country. Welcome to the internet, where you don't have one either. :-)

I don't post a lot because I'm kind of clueless and dense. I am so lazy I didn't even read eveyr post on this thread. I just have a question that came to me immediately as I read the OP....Is Australia really a race? In my clouded state of mental ability I thought it was a country. I am sure this has been brought up in a previous reply post....so just ignore me.....

reply to post by Jace26


Ok I'm no Aussie, and I wont pretend to know what its like there. But I think many many would disagree that the Stolen Generation was a good thing. Those policies went against everything that freedom stands for. How would you like it if some guys claiming to be morally and socially superior came and took your children because they knew what was "better" for your child.

The idea that ones people are better than another because of social or technological advancement is insane

I understand the children who were taken because they were abandoned and left for dead, that makes sense.

Secondly, they did not destroy Aboriginal culture, in fact there has been a boom in their culture if anything.

I agree with you here for the most part, Aussies seem very accepting of their culture. But there are many "conservative" types that dont share the majorities tolerance.

You do realise that Aborigines are genetically less likely to live as long as an asian, european etc.

Please provide me with a peer reviewed document which confirms this. All the information I have seen pertaining to this is unreliable or falls into the same health statistics of other rural and or poverty stricken people.

Take a look at the descendents of the stolen generation and see how better off they are compared to those still living in the bush?

But living off the land is part of their culture, as it is in many many others. Here in the US there are still native's who live off their land, or at least as much of it as they can (most of them have been Americanized). Who is a government to deem a society which has raised children for 1000's of years unfit to continue to raise them. It was a policy started due to racism and social superiority.

reply to post by phatpackage


Hooray hot Aussie women out in the streets...god I love the Aussie accent on a woman...

reply to post by Openeye


You are obviously not Australian so let me fill you in on the details. The Aborigines of Australia, while some are quite lovely, the majority have spoiled their image. They are a people who do NOTHING other then complain about past events which when looked at in a global perspective are hardly cruel compared elsewhere.
MOST indigenous are violent, lazy, racist, people who continue to put blame upon the current generation for their lives. No one is holding them back, they can get a job and live like the rest of us yet they refuse and then complain when the government gives them small commission houses to live in when they should get it themselves like the rest of us.

Obviously, the stolen generation was not nice BUT you cannot deny the benefits it approved to so many Aboriginal children. The majority of those that have achieved in high places were of the stolen generations descendants.
Since the policy ended the Aboriginals have become "failures" in a sense. Back then it was called the "stolen generation", but do you know what they are calling the current generation of Aborignals? The lost generation simply because so many have turned to drugs, alcohol, crime, violence. Aboriginals represent the highest percentage of crime for their population size. Something like 29% of crime in Australia is by Aborinals yet they make up only 1.5% of the total population.
Do you see what I am saying?

reply to post by InfoKartel


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reply to post by Jace26


Don't worry, it's your intellect that restricts you from understanding my point. It's not you.

I don't understand how showing pride in your country by flying a flag can make you more of a racist.
It is stupid.

reply to post by InfoKartel


Theres a no such things as the human race and nor are we all all one.
Do you know what the sad thing is though? its thats these immigranst are allowed to wave their flags that have no meaning behind it but instead means savagery.

reply to post by mnmcandiez


I hate to break it to you but there are races 'superior' to others based on the definition of 'superior' and not because someone just says ''thats the way it is''.

reply to post by mnmcandiez


Oh and the whole dumbed down,left wing mentality about 'we're all one man' is the childish mentality.

reply to post by phatpackage


I'm Australian, and I personally find it a little bit stupid how everyone has their flags flying about on Australia day (the Australian flag is also just a variant of the English flag, and we still fall under the rule of the Royal Monarchy). It's just something I don't personally feel is necessary, getting all excited about the fact I am Australian - the fact is, I could have been born anywhere, I'm just grateful it was in a 1st world country. Australia is a nice country, but I'm not about to start claiming they I live in the best country on Earth or anything like that - because such mentalities are completely childish.

I also think many Australians no longer remember what Australia day really stands for. I don't see the need for celebrating how good Aussies are, this should be a day of reflection.