Flying Aussie flag on car 'more racist'

reply to post by mungodave


oh i see. so a small group of middle eastern men attacked some australians and an insignificant brawl took place and blown up by the media and that makes you believe that our way of life is threatened?

Originally posted by Indigo2

Originally posted by glen200376
reply to post by phatpackage

 

he doesn't understand irony or tolerance.pure ignorance.

As someone who has studied Australian History and culture i believe that mpst her including yourself have general misconceptions about this country. Nobody is crying Racism here. Just respect for the actual meaning of Australia Day.
There are fundamental problems in reconciliating with the traditional owners of this country coupled with a fear of genuine asylym seekers.

Studied Australian history eh? Well guess what so have I. Yes you opinions are racist. Have a look at the definition of vilification and about how one is made to "Feel".

You are right about reconciliation. There is a problem. I am expected to say sorry and feel guilty for something I did not do or had any input in? Go and get stuffed! I personally have not discriminated against an aboriginal, called them a name and denied them anything based off race so I am blowed if I will bear any responsibility for saying sorry. And before you start I have lived in rural WA and got on well with all races in the community. Never Ever! If I did it I will fall on my sword but I did not! Don't blame me.

I don't think there is anything wrong with flying your Australian flag after all you are Australian. I see lots here making generalizations about other people, cultures and I think that's more racist.

Happy Aussie day!

Originally posted by InfoKartel
Have you noticed that not a single "proud" person can distinctly say what it is they are proud of?

How about being proud of Australian culture? How about being proud of the fact that Australians enjoy one of the highest standards of living in the world? How about taking pride in the work that Australian doctors and scientists have contributed to the world? Or the fact that we live in a secular, non-restrictive society where freedom of speech and individual liberty are still valued.

reply to post by theRhenn


As someone from The USA who obviously has no idea about this country it is very easy for you to have an opinion.
The dwelling is because this country has failed to reconcile with the aboriginal people and there is still a huge gap both socially and culturally because of this there is also quite a bit of racism and misunderstanding. This country is not like the USA and its history. You guys have actually done quite well adressing these things over the last 100 years.
Im sorry but i do find it irritating when americans comment on this when you cant even get your own government to stop stripping away your freedom and rights.

reply to post by Indigo2

oh i see. so a small group of middle eastern men attacked some australians and an insignificant brawl took place and blown up by the media and that makes you believe that our way of life is threatened?

Oh OK. It is pretty obvious how you roll. Which side was at fault at Cronulla? Don't judge my opinion either!

Originally posted by InfoKartel
Look, it might not dawn on you now or for the rest of your life, but the growing number of people who look at a flag and think: "how could my parents be so dense?" do understand.

A lot of issues in the world will wade away once everyone accepts they are part of the human race and the entire planet. Not just a small plot of land they drew a flag for, a flag for which so many die and so many are sacrificed..a piece of cloth that messes up the nerves of so many...

And don't tell me it's not the cloth that matters, "it's the idea behind it..."

What is it that you are specifically proud of? Vague answers have been dealt with above.

I think that is the point of the sociologist you're missing.

I disagree. You make it sound like people should not be proud of their nationality because they should be globalists instead. You make the issue " Either, Or " Why should it be this way? I think that's just as bad as racism.

People should have the capacity to understand and accept both in the context they are given. People should be proud of their heritage on the local level and come together to work as a team on the global level - both respecting each others views and no one saying you must be this way or that - that's what truly makes people who belong to a global system work.

reply to post by Indigo2

Im sorry but i do find it irritating when americans comment on this when you cant even get your own government to stop stripping away your freedom and rights.

There you go again! They are entitled to freedom speech. They have fought enough and defended to have that right. Real smart attack the Americans racially!

reply to post by phatpackage


HAHAHA. nobody is asking anyone to apologise. Its only about recognising and having some respect for a culture who continue to suffer even today.

i am all for being proud to be Australian and having a day to celebrate it. But the original meaning and date of Australia day is insensitive to our traditional land owners.

reply to post by InfoKartel

Originally posted by InfoKartel
Have you noticed that not a single "proud" person can distinctly say what it is they are proud of?

Oh I can.
I'm proud of my country for
- rebuilding from total destruction... twice.
- dealing with the consequences of our difficult history with two dictatorial regimes.
- our cultural goods, our worldwide reknown quality products, our position as one of the world's leading exporting countries, our excellent engineering tradition, our educational system and our worldwide unmatched political system the social market economy.

I could go on but I guess that's enough to make my point.
I don't think my country is "superior" to any other nation out there but I think it's important to know who we are, where we come from and what defines us.

reply to post by Indigo2


I don't want to turn this into a debate about the treatment of Aboriginals but it takes two to tango my friend.

reply to post by Indigo2


No, I said start there.

But your mind is made up. And honestly I couldnt give a rats ass for your do-gooder bs.

Try living in the real world.

The real Australia.

Its full of fabulous people of all races, and unfortunately has an abundance of idiots that want to change what we have.

Maybe you should read the words of Charlie Teo from the Australia Day Speech this year before going off at the mouth.

"I want anyone who has come from another country to embrace the Australian way of life. It has served us well," he added. "I want all Australians to see how immigrants have contributed to our nation and to appreciate that a rich and prosperous country such as ours has a moral and global responsibility to share our resources.

www.abc.net.au...


And if you dont want to do that.... go back to what you call home.

Goodbye.

Happy Australia Day everyone.

reply to post by phatpackage


does it matter who's fault it was? it was an isolated incident. why should we feel threatned by that?

Originally posted by Indigo2
reply to post by phatpackage

 

HAHAHA. nobody is asking anyone to apologise. Its only about recognising and having some respect for a culture who continue to suffer even today.

i am all for being proud to be Australian and having a day to celebrate it. But the original meaning and date of Australia day is insensitive to our traditional land owners.

Your back to trad land owners again.

Make your mind up will you?

reply to post by mungodave


I call Australia Home. and just because i have a different more sincere opion about it doesnt' mean that i should leave the country.
I embrace multiculturalism is this country but there are people like you who pretend they do but also feel like they're way off life is threatned because of crap like the crunella riots?

Originally posted by Indigo2
reply to post by phatpackage

 

HAHAHA. nobody is asking anyone to apologise. Its only about recognising and having some respect for a culture who continue to suffer even today.

i am all for being proud to be Australian and having a day to celebrate it. But the original meaning and date of Australia day is insensitive to our traditional land owners.

I respect Aboriginal culture. Tell me know who said I did not? It's our day, I'm proud of it and I don't really care who it upsets! Tell me how it is my fault Aboriginal people suffer to this day? What have I personally done as an individual that is wrong? Like the Aboriginals we are of tough stock so if it is thrown at us we will throw it back double! Why should we back down?

Originally posted by Indigo2
reply to post by mungodave

 

I call Australia Home. and just because i have a different more sincere opion about it doesnt' mean that i should leave the country.
I embrace multiculturalism is this country but there are people like you who pretend they do but also feel like they're way off life is threatned because of crap like the crunella riots?

My way of life is only threatened by narrowmindedness.

You selectively read what you wish.

It shows.

reply to post by mungodave


Good to see you Mungo

Very well said by Teo, thanks for posting that up.

Originally posted by phatpackage

Originally posted by Indigo2
reply to post by phatpackage

 

HAHAHA. nobody is asking anyone to apologise. Its only about recognising and having some respect for a culture who continue to suffer even today.

i am all for being proud to be Australian and having a day to celebrate it. But the original meaning and date of Australia day is insensitive to our traditional land owners.

I respect Aboriginal culture. Tell me know who said I did not? It's our day, I'm proud of it and I don't really care who it upsets! Tell me how it is my fault Aboriginal people suffer to this day? What have I personally done as an individual that is wrong? Like the Aboriginals we are of tough stock so if it is thrown at us we will throw it back double! Why should we back down?

I agree.

Not my fault.

Nor my fathers.

Dont start with that debate, because most of us will end up banned from this place.
It will get nasty arguing this point with those that simply do not get it.