US-infantry, any good?

im only defending myself ,not meaning to be rude but if i have to be sorry.
also your probably right but seriosly cadets is a good way to get new recruits for the services, and to get new snipers, if every soldeir was like the cadets i seen at bis;ey (i admit it i am not a very good shot) then we would have a whole army of snipers.
also na i dont wanna go into the army.
high probability of getting shot,with my luck it is almost a certanty.
id prefer navy or RAF. less bullets.

Thank you all, I have not laughed so much in ages.
Devilwasp I'm sorry, I didn't realise you were so young. I wouldn't have been so ridiculing had I known. When I was your age all I could think about was joining up. I thought the Army was a milllion and one things that it wasn't as well. ( I'm being genuine here) I found out that it was totally different to what I expected both better and worse. Things like being part of your first chalk in a helicopter is just ace and live firing exercises are pure adrenaline. Nothing quite like a live advance to contact at Sennybridge to keep you on your toes.
But along with that comes stagging on at two in the morning in some forest in Bavaria.
Followed by four hours kip and fill that trench in and Tab all day and do it all again the next day and every day for two weeks in the pissing rain.

I did actually go on to be a member of S.F but nothing you've ever heard of.
Our selection included the 'Fan Dance', more than once, and LRRPS school etc etc.
It's not about super men and secrecy and specialised never before seen kit.
Primarily its fitness, if you can't even get to where its happening your no good to anyone.
After that you need to have a bit of nouse about you, your face needs to fit. But most importantly, and if you'd like at some stage to have a go at this kind of thing you'll pay attention to this, you need to keep your mouth shut and do as you are told.
Do you think that S.F soldiers on selection have detailed discussions about their own feelings on the way the op should go. Errr NO its drills drills and more drills.

Immediate Action Drills or IA drills or actions on, whatever you want to call them. Theres a drill for everything and the reason S.F soldiers are better than the rest is because all they do all day every day is drills and courses. Your average Bill Oddy doesn't have that luxury. He's busy painting grass, picking up leaves sweeping etc. Oh and these day's going on exercise and shouting bang.

I'm really glad that lads your age are still interested in a career in the military, but do your research thoroughly or your gonna look daft, and end up with a Regimental bath.

Oh by the way an eight figure grid is used in conjunction with a map to determine a location to within 10 meters. You then use your compass to navigate to the next eight figure grid. On any selection throughout the world you will need to have this down to a fine art. Not to mention back bearings and magnetic variation. If your intereted in a good career in the Army start training now. Work on two things, fitness and map reading. Forget about reading about fancy weapons and spec ops that did or didn't happen, and just run and read maps. When you can run for two hours at a time three days a week, start timing your self against a distance. When your doing an hour a day every day and covering say 8ks then think about adding weight. And all the time get away to Brecon for weekends and pracitce those eight figure grids, and remember contrary to public opinion if you know where you are the weather don't matter.

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sorry for not reading all 10 pages, jus thought id put my 2 cents in: i think the only thing wrong with us infantry is that they arent well equipped to handle massive guerilla warefare like the situation in iraq now. we need some more green berets (guerilla warefare was there specialty rite?) anyway, i think its a stupid question wether our infantry is any good, cuz if it wasnt, we would never have taken Iraq....

Back on point, Another thing wrong with the US Infantry is the M-16/M-4, They should SERRIOUSLY get a better weapon, I mean its accurate and all, but it isnt reliable, and what good is accuracy is the gun doesnt work??

Originally posted by The_Squid
Back on point, Another thing wrong with the US Infantry is the M-16/M-4, They should SERRIOUSLY get a better weapon, I mean its accurate and all, but it isnt reliable, and what good is accuracy is the gun doesnt work??

hmm mabye replce it with the G33 but you have to admit it is a nice weapon.

Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by The_Squid
Back on point, Another thing wrong with the US Infantry is the M-16/M-4, They should SERRIOUSLY get a better weapon, I mean its accurate and all, but it isnt reliable, and what good is accuracy is the gun doesnt work??

hmm mabye replce it with the G33 but you have to admit it is a nice weapon.

"It" being the M-16/M-4? or the G33?

Originally posted by The_Squid


"It" being the M-16/M-4? or the G33?

the M16/M4
i can see the advantage of the M16 its acurate but doesnt have fully auto but the M4 has fully auto, but has less acuracy.

My uncle fought with the selous Scouts in Rhodesia in the late 70's (he latter fought with south african sf's (can't remember the regiment but will ask my da) in angola and mozambique before joining the legion. He always stated tha the best fghting men he had ever fought with were the scouts (black and white). I know that they don't exist anymore and fought a loosing war in zimbabwe but I just thought I would add that for thought.

Originally posted by highash
My uncle fought with the selous Scouts in Rhodesia in the late 70's (he latter fought with south african sf's (can't remember the regiment but will ask my da) in angola and mozambique before joining the legion. He always stated tha the best fghting men he had ever fought with were the scouts (black and white). I know that they don't exist anymore and fought a loosing war in zimbabwe but I just thought I would add that for thought.

no trained sniper can beat a home grown sniper. fact. i wouldnt be suprised if these guys were very good.

The milspec M4 does not have full auto capability.

Originally posted by DeltaChaos
The milspec M4 does not have full auto capability.

doesnt it?
i thought that was one of the reasons they made it?

guys, we do have a new rifle in production, the (X)M-8 Rifle:

www.limbicnutrition.com...


there a few varients but its set to replace the M-16 and M-4 soon...

sniperz serve no purpose other than to assasinate people, these people are trained to be murderers, they are not defenders of countries, they are not international policemen... they are trained to shoot, and kill in one bullet..
Is it not right therefore to state that a person who is recruited to be a sniper can therefore be arrested for conspiracy to commit murder...?

just a brazen thought..




(would you believe that this guy is a Rockape?



[edit on 20/9/04 by Klepto]

[edit on 20/9/04 by Klepto]

Originally posted by devilwasp
doesnt it?
i thought that was one of the reasons they made it?

No, I think they were attempting to reduce weight and materiel use. And as far as accuracy, the M4 is just as accurate to 300M as the M16. And that's the most distant qualifying target for US Army.

The tactical idea behind the M4 was to produce a weapon that would be lightweight and uncumbersome in MOUT operations.

(more) The 3 round burst option is great for urban operations, and it was found that in the M16A1, when used full auto, the barrel rise rendered the weapon too innaccurate to warrant the expended ammunition.

Our crew-served and light machine guns (M240B and M249) fill in where automatic fire is most needed

[edit on 20-9-2004 by DeltaChaos]

Originally posted by Klepto
sniperz serve no purpose other than to assasinate people, these people are trained to be murderers, they are not defenders of countries, they are not international policemen... they are trained to shoot, and kill in one bullet..

snipers serve a great purpose. they are trained to fight at long distance and are the ultimate anti infantry weapon. i respect snipers although thier carreer and and lifestyles seem to make people hate them.

Is it not right therefore to state that a person who is recruited to be a sniper can therefore be arrested for conspiracy to commit murder...?

if thats so then every soldier can be arested on that charge, in war theres no such thing as conspiricy to kill the opisite side.

just a brazen thought..
(would you believe that this guy is a Rockape?

yeah
many medics,engineers and drivers in the RMC are snipers.

Originally posted by Klepto
sniperz serve no purpose other than to assasinate people...

Snipers (with an 's') serve much more of a purpose than that. Assassination is a word for one of the many purposes that they serve. A sniper would be lucky to have such a mission. Most of their training and time spent on missions is in a reconnaisance function, providing overwatch for moving units. This is why they are most commonly attatched to or a part of scout units.

They are also skilled trackers, trained to pick up the trail of the enemy and stalk them from a distance in effort to discern locations of patrol bases, defensive positions, or field headquarters for the infantry, armor, and CAS to destroy.

If a sniper's function were assassination, wouldn't that be the function of every soldier?

Originally posted by DeltaChaos


Snipers (with an 's') serve much more of a purpose than that. Assassination is a word for one of the many purposes that they serve. A sniper would be lucky to have such a mission. Most of their training and time spent on missions is in a reconnaisance function, providing overwatch for moving units. This is why they are most commonly attatched to or a part of scout units.

They are also skilled trackers, trained to pick up the trail of the enemy and stalk them from a distance in effort to discern locations of patrol bases, defensive positions, or field headquarters for the infantry, armor, and CAS to destroy.

If a sniper's function were assassination, wouldn't that be the function of every soldier?

good point delta never thought of the tracker bit they do as well.

apologiez..

snipers (not with a 'z' - like it really matterz) are not murderz and neither are soldierz in general.. they are just trained to say bang and fall over if a marshall tells them to.

It had alwayz been my impression that a sniper was a military shooter detailed to spot and pick off enemy soldierz from a concealed place.. guess I was wrong then.

Babylon get to rough!

Originally posted by DeltaChaos

Originally posted by Klepto
sniperz serve no purpose other than to assasinate people...

Snipers (with an 's') serve much more of a purpose than that. Assassination is a word for one of the many purposes that they serve. A sniper would be lucky to have such a mission. Most of their training and time spent on missions is in a reconnaisance function, providing overwatch for moving units. This is why they are most commonly attatched to or a part of scout units.

They are also skilled trackers, trained to pick up the trail of the enemy and stalk them from a distance in effort to discern locations of patrol bases, defensive positions, or field headquarters for the infantry, armor, and CAS to destroy.

If a sniper's function were assassination, wouldn't that be the function of every soldier?

Good points.

This is a coincidence. One of my friends is coming over later. He was a Delta Recon Sniper for about five years. I'll ask him what his main functions were. ie. recon, tracker, etc. Should be interesting. He has told me a little bit about past missions, but never specifics.

Sorry, Klepto, my OCD won't allow me to let spelling and grammatical errors to go unchecked. Oh, man, and when people deliberately misspell words... I just can't take it!

I hate the internet lingo.