Tired of the Ron Paul Bandwagon???

Originally posted by mrgregbusybee

Originally posted by bonnieprince

Originally posted by mrgregbusybee

Originally posted by eLPresidente
OP, you still haven't provided evidence of intelligence that Japan wants to nuke D.C.


Afterall, that IS what you claimed would happen if we left South Korea?

You must've gotten this information (or misinformation) from some source, unless it is your own little conspiracy theory.

Have you ever been to Pearl Harbor? If so, you would notice the thousands of Japanese that travel there as well. Do you think they are coming there as a sign of respect for our lost soldiers? NO....they are there because it's a memorial for their victory, for their big f*ck you america in their history books. There's no conspiracy theory behind Japan hating us...it's in the history books. You think they like us more because we dropped 2 atomic bombs on them? WTF is your problem? You're puzzled....it's simple. N.Korea and China are allies. Japan and China are allies. N. Korea takes over S. Korea and kills millions when we leave. N. Korea, Japan, China are also allies of Iran, who in-fact can cause us major problems militarily speaking.... don't be a naive and ignorant respondent....read your history before you post about misinformation. These are all very plausible scenarios if you remove our troops from our foreign locations.

your ignorance and stupidity is a shame

Japan and China Allies? what are you smoking! They hate each other more than they hate the USA. Heard of the Rape of Nanking? The constant low level tit for tat arrests between them? The fact we are there specifically to protect Japan? That we used Japan as a base from which to launch to Korea? I mean honestly you claim others are ignorant and stupid, look in the mirror if you want to try claim that Japan and China are allies!


Edit: Also a lot of the resentment for the USA in Japan today comes from the fact that US soldiers based there have regularly committed crimes such as rape on the locals.

edit on 23-1-2012 by bonnieprince because: Adding info

My apologies, I said Japan and China as allies and I meant Russia and China. and I 100% believe Japan would strike us if given an opportunity, simply out of retaliation. I don't trust our partnership

but what about when you posted this to me?

and you are sitting there telling me that china and japan and korea would not be allies against the united states?

You meant Russia and China as well?


Admit it, you got caught making crap up, selling fear to back your claims that Ron Paul's foreign policy is dangerous.

Originally posted by mrgregbusybee

Originally posted by ker2010
reply to post by mrgregbusybee

 

Another thing that doesn't make sense is our military is so much more advanced and powerful than other country's
military's how will closing down bases make our military advantage disappear?

If country's do not have the military means to attack us now how does closing down bases change that fact? They still will not have the military might to go up against us!!!

So your saying if we remove our bases, magically overnight all our enemies will have ICBMs, advanced Aircraft carriers and destroyers and F-22 Raptor equivalent fighters?

To think the USA is the big dog on the block you pit-bulls sure are scared of the Chihuahuas

Just makes no sense.

Not at all...the thought of minding our own business and allowing other countries to mind their own business would be a great plan if the other countries would do it. we know they won't. do you want to take a chance for the next 4 years of minding your own business and allowing our enemies to operate without interference from the US? I don't

We have satellites that can read the year of a penny on the ground from space. we do not need to have bases all over the would to keep track of what other countrys are doing.

If we see a legitimate threat we take care of it. We can mobilize and take care of any threat before it could come to fruition.

Originally posted by redrose123
reply to post by mrgregbusybee

 

Your absolutely right Newt will definitely turn the country around. Not. He didn't do anything to help the US before at least not in a good way and he definitely isn't going to do it now. Post human believer, writes the forward to Alvin and Heidi Toffler books. Can't make up mind about anything without waiting for a paycheck. Sell out his country, sell out his business, sell out his family. Sell out his own soul if he ever had one. As much as I can't stand the idea of 4 more years of Obama I will vote for him before I would sleep at night voting for Newt.

The said thing is, as much as I dislike Obama, I would fell obligated to vote against Newt.

Obama gave us Obamacare and Fast and Furious. Otherwise it has been a lot like Bush Jr and every president since Nixon. Newt is too much of a sell out. If the money was right he would do anything and scream "f# the people" while doing it. At least with Obama you kind of know where he stands and you can fight back. A guy like Newt is hard to fight, you never know where he truly stands.

Originally posted by ker2010
reply to post by sonnny1

 

Regardless you are saying NK will not attack SK because of our troops at the border. Im asking you if America warns NK that they are leaving the border but any attack on SK would be considered a attack on the USA and we will mobilize within 24 hours of attack and deal with them whats the difference?

that's not the policy RP wants to put in place and that's not what led us down this path of discussion. RP's foreign policy of the golden rule says we will pull all our troops away and back home from foreign land to protect our own country...and we will let the other countries look after their own business as well. basically, we'll let you be and you let us be....

that's where we are on this thread...and the argument about NK and SK has stemmed off of the foreign policy and how I believe countries would align against us should be remove our presence from our strategic locations. The RP defenders argument has been, it's not our country, not our people, who cares (not everybody on here...but a majority believe that his policy is fine and the countries we protect need to protect their selves)...again...not everybody believes the f*ck it mentality for other countries

reply to post by mrgregbusybee


Lets get of the NK/SK thing for a moment.

Do you believe Israel has the military might to deal with Iran by themselfs?

Originally posted by ker2010
Regardless you are saying NK will not attack SK because of our troops at the border. Im asking you if America warns NK that they are leaving the border but any attack on SK would be considered a attack on the USA and we will mobilize within 24 hours of attack and deal with them whats the difference?

This obviously demonstrates your lack of knowledge regarding the logistics involved.
This argument is without merit and proves that some who support this type of foreign policy are not living in the real world.

Originally posted by ker2010
reply to post by sonnny1

 

Regardless you are saying NK will not attack SK because of our troops at the border. Im asking you if America warns NK that they are leaving the border but any attack on SK would be considered a attack on the USA and we will mobilize within 24 hours of attack and deal with them whats the difference?

Why pull out immediately?(that sounds bad ) We already have a contingency plan with South Korea to do it. Its a slow process. And about warning them.........?

Sigh......

Have you taken a look at North Korea's regime,and how North Koreans are raised?

Really,do some homework.

They blame EVERYTHING on America,and South Korea,cradle to grave.



America warned North Korea NOT to make Nuclear weapons,Hell the World did ,and what does the World have to show for it?

Another country with a devastating weapon. For what purpose? They have China,and ITS nuclear umbrella protecting them?


Sorry,but you are wrong.

Originally posted by ker2010

Originally posted by mrgregbusybee

Originally posted by ker2010
reply to post by mrgregbusybee

 

Another thing that doesn't make sense is our military is so much more advanced and powerful than other country's
military's how will closing down bases make our military advantage disappear?

If country's do not have the military means to attack us now how does closing down bases change that fact? They still will not have the military might to go up against us!!!

So your saying if we remove our bases, magically overnight all our enemies will have ICBMs, advanced Aircraft carriers and destroyers and F-22 Raptor equivalent fighters?

To think the USA is the big dog on the block you pit-bulls sure are scared of the Chihuahuas

Just makes no sense.

Not at all...the thought of minding our own business and allowing other countries to mind their own business would be a great plan if the other countries would do it. we know they won't. do you want to take a chance for the next 4 years of minding your own business and allowing our enemies to operate without interference from the US? I don't

We have satellites that can read the year of a penny on the ground from space. we do not need to have bases all over the would to keep track of what other countrys are doing.

If we see a legitimate threat we take care of it. We can mobilize and take care of any threat before it could come to fruition.

edit on 23-1-2012 by ker2010 because: (no reason given)

That's counting and believing RP would take necessary actions. The man is a talk things out first kind of guy.... With a weak foreign policy I don't trust that he would take action if needed

reply to post by mrgregbusybee


So you're essentially admitting that the only reason we are safe is because we are policing the world and the second we turn our backs, the rest of the world will form alliances against us.

When you were writing that up, did you have no idea that you were arguing FOR us and not against us?



If you're afraid that our actions around the world would turn the entire globe against us, it sure says a lot about what kind of insane crap we're trying to pull...doesn't it?

Originally posted by ker2010


We have satellites that can read the year of a penny on the ground from space. we do not need to have bases all over the would to keep track of what other countrys are doing.

China successfully carried out its first test of an antisatellite weapon last week, signaling its resolve to play a major role in military space activities and bringing expressions of concern from Washington and other capitals, the Bush administration said yesterday.

LINK

Originally posted by ker2010
If we see a legitimate threat we take care of it. We can mobilize and take care of any threat before it could come to fruition.

How will we do that with Ron Paul's foreign Policy?

reply to post by ping9


Ron Paul is Baptist. Im a Christian and a Baptist. And I will ONLY vote for Ron Paul.
Here's a question, why are you here if you haven't denied ignorance?

reply to post by mrgregbusybee


Nope.... But I am tired of blind idiots like yourself. Not even worth reading this thread, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

reply to post by mrgregbusybee


I understand that people truly believe in the 2nd amendment, I do agree with it, but seriously the guns which we can buy in the hands of every man woman and child in the western US wouldn't make much of a dent in a Tank, a Drone, or anything else we've used in Iraq. I don't really want my neighbors to have Semiautomatic Assault riffles when a vandal spray paints their garage in the middle of the night( BTW YES there a story the Lets just say I'm thankful my neighbors a moron and couldn't get the trigger lock off) So my house gets sprayed with shots from an idiot who's watched to many action flicks. Personally I have a 10 gauge with Rocksalt loaded shells that I spend 6 months getting made for me and far to much money on, just to ensure I wasn't killing my neighbors or their pets if I needed to use it.

We do need troops in S.K. Germany a etc. I'm just tired of hearing " just Nuke the middle East" or "turn it all to glass" and also that we just need to bring everyone home. We're not the world police but we went into Iraq on a lie, for money and arrogance. All we did was take out a leader we put in place to stabilize the area, and kill a bunch of Militants that "supposedly" are members of a Group that WE created to be a road block for the Soviets. In there we lost Millions of Dollars, Thousands of lives and set up some Large Corps for Massive profit YAY. What hero's we are we cleaned up a mess we made under false pretenses and exaggerations, and made sure our friends made a tidy profit. Should we have gone? No but we did and now we do need to stay if nothing else to make sure we all get to see what we did......

Originally posted by eLPresidente
reply to post by mrgregbusybee

 

So you're essentially admitting that the only reason we are safe is because we are policing the world and the second we turn our backs, the rest of the world will form alliances against us.

When you were writing that up, did you have no idea that you were arguing FOR us and not against us?



If you're afraid that our actions around the world would turn the entire globe against us, it sure says a lot about what kind of insane crap we're trying to pull...doesn't it?

In case you didn't read all that was written, I didn't say that I hated RP, I said I do NOT agree with his foreign policies and what I believe it can lead to. We have troops in foreign countries for a reason. Previous post-war agreements mostly but none-the-less, we are there and we do provide allies with our presence and knowing if we are attacked while on their land, it's an act of war against US. That's why we put small contingencies of troops there. For instance in SK, our troops would do nothing against NK. But if they attacked and killed our soldiers, that's an act of war DIRECTLY against the US.

I do NOT disagree that the world is f*cked up guys...I do NOT disagree that we as a country don't follow f*cked up policies and f*cked up hidden agendas... be that as it may, we are where we are right now and it has to be corrected. MY opinion against RP strictly sits with his outlook on foreign policy. I do not believe it's the right time for his golden rule. I believe it's too late for something like this to take place. Maybe 20 years from now....not this November. I believe nothing but chaos and death will evolve from turning our backs on our foreign allies by removing our presence. That's essentially what we will be doing, turning our backs and saying go ahead and take care of yourself...you've leached off us for far too long. It has to be a slow process or it fails...the golden rule will not work at this point in our history

All this talk about China wanting ally with other nations to destroy America and any nation that stands in their way is assuming that CCP literally wants to invade the entire world and throw their capitalist traits and prosperity out of the window for it.




Also if they build anti-satellite weapons, we will do the same.

What happened when we built nukes? M.A.D.

Originally posted by xX aFTeRm4Th Xx
reply to post by mrgregbusybee

 

Nope.... But I am tired of blind idiots like yourself. Not even worth reading this thread, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

edit on 23-1-2012 by xX aFTeRm4Th Xx because: (no reason given)

yeah obviously...

Originally posted by ker2010
reply to post by mrgregbusybee

 

Lets get of the NK/SK thing for a moment.

Do you believe Israel has the military might to deal with Iran by themselfs?

ummmm NO...absolutely not.

reply to post by PriestOfAries


I haven't seen or read anybody here in this thread say "Nuke the Middle East"
But your last paragraph brought up something I do see where RP plan may have some merit. Germany and Europe. They are all growed up now and rebuilt from the ashes of WW-II [The EU] their combined wealth is more than enough to be a global power in their own right.

You RP supporters want to save a penny?

Get us out of NATO. The Soviet Union and Warsaw pact is gone, done and buried. As one RP supporter mentioned earlier, the Cold War is over. Pull our forces out of Europe and be done with that financial abyss.

Originally posted by mrgregbusybee

Originally posted by eLPresidente
reply to post by mrgregbusybee

 

So you're essentially admitting that the only reason we are safe is because we are policing the world and the second we turn our backs, the rest of the world will form alliances against us.

When you were writing that up, did you have no idea that you were arguing FOR us and not against us?



If you're afraid that our actions around the world would turn the entire globe against us, it sure says a lot about what kind of insane crap we're trying to pull...doesn't it?

In case you didn't read all that was written, I didn't say that I hated RP, I said I do NOT agree with his foreign policies and what I believe it can lead to. We have troops in foreign countries for a reason. Previous post-war agreements mostly but none-the-less, we are there and we do provide allies with our presence and knowing if we are attacked while on their land, it's an act of war against US. That's why we put small contingencies of troops there. For instance in SK, our troops would do nothing against NK. But if they attacked and killed our soldiers, that's an act of war DIRECTLY against the US.

I do NOT disagree that the world is f*cked up guys...I do NOT disagree that we as a country don't follow f*cked up policies and f*cked up hidden agendas... be that as it may, we are where we are right now and it has to be corrected. MY opinion against RP strictly sits with his outlook on foreign policy. I do not believe it's the right time for his golden rule. I believe it's too late for something like this to take place. Maybe 20 years from now....not this November. I believe nothing but chaos and death will evolve from turning our backs on our foreign allies by removing our presence. That's essentially what we will be doing, turning our backs and saying go ahead and take care of yourself...you've leached off us for far too long. It has to be a slow process or it fails...the golden rule will not work at this point in our history

What the....?

Where in the post that you quoted, did I say you hated RP? I didn't even mention the guy.

I believe in many of Ron Paul's Presidential fixes,but Foreign Policy isnt one of them,after CAREFUL consideration.

This is coming from someone who has voted twice for him.

You dont have to agree with EVERYTHING he says,and like I said earlier,the best thing you would get with him,is a NO vote when it came to War. Even Dr. Paul would have to carefully consider war,and go by the book,(Constitution). He has ZERO chance in bringing home ALL the troops. Congress wouldn't let him. Our Alliances wouldn't let him,and our current Foreign Policy's wouldn't let him,not in a four year time-frame,that's for sure.


Come on People.....

Deny Ignorance.