ATS It's all or Nothing!

Originally posted by Cosmic4life
I like to think i am always ready to change my opinion or be proven wrong.

I hope that feeling spreads. If more here at ATS [Myself included] would think that way more often we would start talking to each-other instead of at each-other.

No?


Thanks for the tunes.



PEACE

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Love the honest post. Many people refuse to even see facts if it does not fall in line with there side.

Originally posted by masqua
Canadians are polite schmucks?

Most of the time.

Oh... there is such a great thread waiting to be done on the Stone of Scone. That's all I'll say on that

Toss me a U2U when it's available.

Originally posted by Destinyone
Slayer, wanted to thank you for starting this thread. It's like internet posting group therapy..

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I almost feel a group hug coming on.....maybe...

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Originally posted by curious7
I mostly stay unbiased unless something that is stubbornly stupid is said and then I weigh in with my own personal views but politically speaking, yeah, while Ron Paul's ideals are fair and just, I still wouldn't vote for him if I could because he's like that one candidate who makes sense but has zero chance of gaining anything.

That's why I'm on the fence on certain issues. [Yes, One can be on the fence and still be critical of one or both sides] that is my stance on Ron Paul and OWS and Iran/Israel. Which is why I wrote this piece in the first place.

Plus the overwhelming support for him on ATS makes me oppose that wholeheartedly because it feels like everybody has jumped on the RP bandwagon and in my mind, someone has to fly in the face of that and stand out rather than everyone being sheep and supporting him.

I'm not sure how I feel about this paragraph..
[Meaning I'm still in flux] Is that a bad thing to admit?

Originally posted by Subjective Truth
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Love the honest post.

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Many people refuse to even see facts if it does not fall in line with there side.

Quoted for truth.....
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Wow, this is mini for you huh Slay ? Definetely seems to me that it's an ATS essential right now. Youve caught me off guard just waking up tho. So my geopolitical feelings for today ( yes, lately they seem to bounce from ring to ring ) haven't caught up to me yet. So I'm gonna leave you with some Bob right now. This isn't directed at anyone personally especially you Slay. But it does describe a sense of betrayal. Me being quite a bit more sure of myself then earlier days. I think you will also find this one suiting in one way or the nother. Enjoy and I will be back after reading along.

As always SnF



I'm leaning towards long haired pinko commy ingreat at the momento !

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Originally posted by randyvs
I'm leaning towards long haired pinko commy ingreat at the momento !

Apple Valley Ca

My old Stomping Grounds
[Stomped a few braincells]

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by curious7
I mostly stay unbiased unless something that is stubbornly stupid is said and then I weigh in with my own personal views but politically speaking, yeah, while Ron Paul's ideals are fair and just, I still wouldn't vote for him if I could because he's like that one candidate who makes sense but has zero chance of gaining anything.

That's why I'm on the fence on certain issues. [Yes, One can be on the fence and still be critical of one or both sides] that is my stance on Ron Paul and OWS and Iran/Israel. Which is why I wrote this piece in the first place.

Plus the overwhelming support for him on ATS makes me oppose that wholeheartedly because it feels like everybody has jumped on the RP bandwagon and in my mind, someone has to fly in the face of that and stand out rather than everyone being sheep and supporting him.

I'm not sure how I feel about this paragraph..
[Meaning I'm still in flux] Is that a bad thing to admit?

Not a bad thing at all Slay, just means that you're human and not sure whether to fall on one side or the other while I've always been a bit of a "rebel without a clue"

The way I am just means that if something's popular, I tend to shift away from it and if I started a trend privately with friends and then years later it becomes adopted as a national fad (as many things have over the last decade and a half) then more reason to rebel against it.

Wish I could be on the fence more with a lot of things but hey, nobody's perfect.

I want to thank everybody for participating and keeping the discussion civil.

I'm off to the Gym.

I'll leave you with this.




Thanks again peeps.

PEACE

Originally posted by masqua
Opinions change... sometimes daily.
Situations change... always daily.

Ah, but gullibility, ignorance and the herd mentality are always constant and consistent.

Opinions are manipulable.

Situations are subjective, and dependent entirely on preconceived notions, conditioning, exposure to and, absorption of propaganda, and ultimately perspective and perceptions.

There are few truly free, critical thinkers on ATS, and a vast herd of sheeple.

Being "all or nothing" places one where in the above?

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Good song Slayer I hope you make it back this way sometime. It's rather politrically peaceful here, I'm sure you know.

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I've noticed at my age, I've pretty much fallen off most of the fences I used to sit on. Does that make me jaded..IDK.

It does have some bearing on which threads I'll participate in, due to having fallen one side or the other so hard, I've knocked my noggin loose....and can't be held accountable for how I would reply to some other members pile-o-poop.

There, I said it. So, I'll expound...it gets to me when 15 year old newbies post a one sentence opening thread on a subject that requires at least 2 sentences in the title alone....

I have the choice of playing a combination of wiki-google mommy to them...or looking for threads that do start with a complete thought.

Does that make me shallow, or lazy...which one...both...

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You got me ha ha.

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First you say:

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
gullibility, ignorance and the herd mentality are always constant and consistent.

Then you say:

Opinions are manipulable.

So... I guess the upshot is that the herd gains and loses members depending on whether a light goes on in their heads or not. Nothing has permanence... not even this universe.

Situations are subjective, and dependent entirely on preconceived notions, conditioning, exposure to and, absorption of propaganda, and ultimately perspective and perceptions.

And all subject to change. Perhaps that is the only fact... change.

There are few truly free, critical thinkers on ATS, and a vast herd of sheeple.

Depending entirely on the geophysical location of a herd. Those inside 'Plato's Cave' continue to dream reality but, once they step outside, their paradigm shifts to another dream.

Being "all or nothing" places one where in the above?

What is 'all' and what is 'nothing'? Are there not graduations between the two? Is the whole world either black or white?

No.

Ripping off the blinkers and really seeing what is going on in this world is enough to wake anyone up. To think that there are those incapable of eventually understanding would be wrong, imho.

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I'd say shallow but hey, I'm the same.

Almost 28 here and yet I just have never related to most others my age so I skip over the threads with a short opening post myself just like I frequently read religious threads even though I despise religion as a way of labeling people when it's all basically the same ideals and worship to me so why say "we're better than you" to other religions and factions instead of joining together?

It's like, I wanna be open minded but for some things that's just not possible.

I'll be daring and bring up 9/11. Overwhelming evidence from my own research as well as others shows that the Official Story is 100% factual even to the most minute detail yet a lot on ATS still believe in the inside job theory. In my mind, those people are nuts and unable to cope with what happened that day so they latch onto the first fantasy they can find to feel better about the scary world they live in.

Now, that idea angers me to no end, especially when people make claims about stuff that I spent all day from the moment the first plane hit watching on live tv after a hard day at college and so I can't help but calling people out even though I try to be civil at all times. They believe what they believe and so do I but it's just harder to remain focused and friendly at all times when a subject comes up that a person is automatically inclined to attack due to differing opinions and differing interpretations of the facts.

The trouble is when to back down and walk away from an argument or potential argument which is why you'll see me make one comment and then never return to a thread again because I'd rather say what's on my mind then be the bigger man and walk than be immature and return time and again to distract others from a debate.

Originally posted by masqua

Being "all or nothing" places one where in the above?

What is 'all' and what is 'nothing'? Are there not graduations between the two? Is the whole world either black or white?

No.

Being all or nothing on a given issue, means that you have a position... How you got there is what determines whether you are in the herd, or an independent, critical, free-thinker.

Those somewhere in the middle, are lost and waiting to be led.

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Thanks for the reply. I'm 61, so the reason I said I've already fallen off most of my fences....

I too, find myself walking away from some threads when a fanatical poster attempts to force-feed the other posters.

I've decided there is no such thing as middle ground with a fanatic.

Des

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade

Being all or nothing on a given issue, means that you have a position... How you got there is what determines whether you are in the herd, or an independent, critical, free-thinker.

You assume that position. What thoughts I write today may easily change with tomorrow's dawn. How, then, can anyone's particular mindset be immutable?

Putting people into particular boxes doesn't work. Am I in a herd box? Are you? Or are you a critical free thinker? Can one not be confined in the herd box and yet become a critical free thinker? Can a free thinker not wind up in the herd box someday?

Your boxes have holes in them.

Those somewhere in the middle, are lost and waiting to be led.

The middle is a good place, where awareness thrives through seeing. In that location, you happily view the extremes of dichotomy and learn the singular truth that all things are subject to change.

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How you arrive at your position on any given issue is EVERYTHING.

Refer back to the situations are subjective line in a previous post of mine here...

Changing positions on any given issue and how you are motivated to change.. The same applies there.

It's all relative and rather simple.