Why a war with Iran is necessary should talking fail.

reply to post by McGinty


May I say, I hope you are right?

This warmonger really doesn't want to be right.

Originally posted by schadenfreude
reply to post by Deetermined

 

Would YOU personally wish to talk with someone who tried to set this bit of false flag info up?

articles.cnn.com...:US

I mean seriously, it's insulting. Why would Iran waste their time? They know how we feel about them, the only thing "talking" would do is give US more chances to get another soundbite we could plaster over the state run media, and thus use it as a warcry to invade or target Iran even further.

IMO they're doing the smart thing, keeping their mouth shut. I wouldn't waste my time "talking" to an enemy that wanted my head on a platter either.

Precisely why Iran is being encouraged to speak to the P5+1 which includes China and Russia.

And yes, I expect Iran to keeps it's mouth shut until after their elections on March 2nd, which appears to be turning into a circus in itself as websites that support Ahmadinejad are now claiming that he fears impeachment or assassination at this time. It also states that Ahmadinejad is planning something "big" come February to counter his opposition.

reply to post by schadenfreude


Great point. Why feed the propaganda machine?
Growing up we are taught to ignore the bullies. If you engage with them, you open up the possibility of becoming caught up in their game.
If you ask me, Iran should not feed the trolls.

ETA: This also goes for Iran threatening to close the Str8. They should not feed the trolls. In my country, we have many war mongering politicians who provoke people into defending themselves. Its about time people around the globe just flat out stopped responding to aggressive threats in any way besides silence.

reply to post by Deetermined


Do you have a link showing this "big thing" to come? I would appreciate it.

Of course I'm fully expecting "something" in response to their four scientists being assassinated, the Persians are a prideful people. Really curious what that response will be.

reply to post by seagull


No war is not necessary unless you absolutely have to go to war, wasn't that what the founding fathers left for us. Don't get into international affairs and don't go to war unless it is ABSOLUTELY necessary. So sorry I don't see how anyone could agree with you. What needs to be done is USA get the hell out of the middle east and stay out of everyone's business. I mean doesn't USA have enough problems at home, pretty stupid to be worrying about some country 5000 miles away AGAIN. Let's go ahead and put another 5 trillion on the debt for some stupid war...yeah that's smart.

Originally posted by schadenfreude
reply to post by Deetermined

 

Do you have a link showing this "big thing" to come? I would appreciate it.

Of course I'm fully expecting "something" in response to their four scientists being assassinated, the Persians are a prideful people. Really curious what that response will be.

I'm getting ready to start a thread on all of the internal chaos revolving around this issue.

Ahmadinejad has not said what his "big" plan is yet, and no, I don't think it has anything to do with the scientists, but I wouldn't be surprised if it includes announcing all of the "dirt" that he claims he has on Khamenei and his supporters.

reply to post by J.Son79

A nuclear armed Iran is the world's most dangerous threat bar none.

Lmao, dude you seriously need to stop watching TV.

Originally posted by Deetermined

Originally posted by CrikeyMagnet
"...should talking fail."

You know, I could not think of an approach we had not tried. When I read the title of this thread, I realized that we forgot the "talking" bit.

Is "forgot" the right word, or is that the one thing that US and Israeli governments have steadfastly refused to do?

For starters, Iran was asked three months ago to start talks again, and as of a report I read this morning, they still have not responded. I guess we'll have to wait and see if they ever make an official response to the P5+1.

Strange ? I got the feeling they did respond , but just not in the subservient manner that was expected.They now have in place agreements with several countries to use each others local currencies in transactions and not use the $ , which probably explains the seizing of Irans Central Bank assets .... it's all about the oil and $$ again .

Ah well .. what's a few thousand women and children when the Great Ponzi is risk of collapsing ... wonder where all the gold will end up this time or should I guess that all will find it's way to the squid.

Iraq V3
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Originally posted by Evanzsayz
reply to post by seagull

 

No war is not necessary unless you absolutely have to go to war, wasn't that what the founding fathers left for us. Don't get into international affairs and don't go to war unless it is ABSOLUTELY necessary. So sorry I don't see how anyone could agree with you. What needs to be done is USA get the hell out of the middle east and stay out of everyone's business. I mean doesn't USA have enough problems at home, pretty stupid to be worrying about some country 5000 miles away AGAIN. Let's go ahead and put another 5 trillion on the debt for some stupid war...yeah that's smart.

Exactly.
Absolutely necessary means if we are attacked and in self defense.
Also you're spot on about us not needing to waste more money that we simply don't have.
And its sad to say, but often we forget about the most important thing - the life of our young men and women who see the military as a way to make ends meet.

reply to post by DevilsApprentice


Thats right they did respond!
But if you don't get the answer you want, shake up the magic 8 ball until you get the answer you're looking for, right? Get these childish, war mongering politicians out of my country!

Originally posted by Evanzsayz
reply to post by J.Son79

 

A nuclear armed Iran is the world's most dangerous threat bar none.

Lmao, dude you seriously need to stop watching TV.

I know
Or was it the guy from North Korea who is crazy. He has nukes too. Or Pakistan - wait, who are we supposed to believe has the itchy trigger finger now?
How about we just have talks with all the mental therapists of each leader in the world. They could fill out a form and we could have our top shrinks analyze the test. If any leader shows hints of craziness, we yank their nukes from them.

reply to post by Evanzsayz


Advocating isolationism, are you? If so, you're mistaken, thinking that will work. The world is much too small now, for a country, no matter which one, to try to hide behind its borders, or oceans. I, too, would just as soon leave the Middle East alone...but it's much too important a region for the world to ignore, or unfortunately, leave alone. Too many economy's depend upon oil, not to be involved in the region.

George Washington was right, when he made that speech, in the latter stages of the 18th century... When it took weeks, or even months, to cross an ocean. Then we could hide behind moats, safe in the knowledge, that we were safe from our enemies.

Times have changed. Distance isn't the factor it once was. It's still a factor, just not what it once was.

Hiding from a problem, doesn't make it go away. It needs to be dealt with, by whatever means will work. Preferably peacefully.

reply to post by Salamandy


lol, thanks you made me laugh

reply to post by seagull


So you'd rather USA murder couple hundred thousand more people all because we think they are the bad guys? Since that worked out sooo well with Iraq.

I'm tired of people lumping "Americans" together. The OP is an individual stating his own thoughts on this particular subject and it is his/her wonderful right to do so. My own individual thoughts on this matter, Life has always been about struggle and survival. The only idiot "Americans" are the ones who defend other countries against their own blood and soil. If a conflict should happen, no matter what you think or say, you, your friends, and your family are still the enemy in their eyes. I feel sorry that thousands of men and women give their lives to bless this land with something like the freedom to speak, so many abuse this right and lack appreciation for the sacrifices made. There is no home for someone who trashes their own country because in the end you are a traitor in everyone's eyes. Not a lot of people, if anyone at all, likes a traitor.

Late to the Party, but here's my $.02! . . . .

I think Iran is a full decade or more from having any type of Nuclear weapon, and even then it would be primitive and likely pretty useless. I also do not think they have a "capable military" on the scale of the US, Israel, or NATO. They fought Iraq to a draw, we marched to Baghdad in 2 weeks.

So, in my opinion, a war with Iran is just profiteering and politics. We could easily lift some restrictions, and open up trade, and overcome the influence that China and Russia have inside Iran. OR, we could just turn a blind eye to Israel, and let them take care of it. Either way, it doesn't take a US war to solve the problem. It could be solved with Diplomacy and Infrastructure and Trade to negate their need for Nuclear power. Or, it could be handled among the Middle East players and we could just sit back and watch.

It's just my opinion, but the US picking on Iran is equivalent to an 8th grader bullying a 6th grader all year long, and when the 6th grader threatens to pick up a baseball bat, the 8th grader beats him to a pulp preemptively, takes his backpack and lunch money, and then says it was "self-defense."

Iran is not sanctioning the US. Iran is not harming our economic climate, or causing any suffering to our people. Even if they are a sponsor of terrorism, which is debatable, it is not directly affecting the average American, but the sanctions we have placed against them are harming every single Iranian. So it is a one-way street. They are the scared 6th grader, sitting home and making idle threats, while we are the big 8th grader standing on the corner and blocking the path to school. Sure, they talk tough, when we aren't around, but they are not bullying us, it is a one-way street.

I love my country, and I'm proud to be an American, but we have become a Nation of bulllies, as well as a nation of blamers. We push and push, and when anything doesn't go our way we blame and scapegoat. It happens internally from grade school to industry, and it bleeds over into our foreign policy.

I don't want to be an Iranian, but I don't believe Iran poses any threat to me whatsoever. Now, if I were an international traveller, or an international businessman, maybe my views would be different. I might not feel so comfortable flying in and out of Israel or Egypt knowing that Iran was plotting to do harm, but here inside the US, they are toothless.

Now, if I were an International Traveller or businessman, then I believe I would still support diplomacy and trade instead of sanctions and war. It is just common sense to me that if we developed trade agreements with Iran, and we fostered diplomacy, and we moved American businesses into Iran, and we developed partnerships in government and industry alike, and we exposed our population to their population in some other way besides militarily, then I believe the relationship would be vastly improved and the threat would evaporate. If I was wrong, and they still plotted violence, at least our Intel would be drastically better from our insiders and partners in trade!


BTW:
TSA is currently detaining Senator Rand Paul! Now, tell me how the TSA is keeping us safe from terrorists?

Absolute double standards going on in this thread, people saying how Iran cannot not be trusted with their history, well what about us in the West? We don’t have a good history with guns, ships, land, resources etc… War is a shameful trait of humans and I find it disturbing whenever I hear someone in support of it. Killing a few thousand for the sake of saving millions, because wue think they will do something is absurd. If yo walk down a dark alley and a guy is walking from the opposite direction that looks shady do you smash him over the head just to be sure he wasn’t going to attack you?

Now let’s imagine this guy also has a family and you have your own walking down this alley. Well he still looks shady so you attack him still and happen to kill a few of the children. Who of us is psychic enough to predict the future and condone a war fought on "might’s" and "could’s".

Come to think of it, look at the "war on terrorism", a systematic dismantling of the Wests human rights on the premise the terrorists might attack. When will we ever learn.

Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by Evanzsayz

 

Advocating isolationism, are you? If so, you're mistaken, thinking that will work. The world is much too small now, for a country, no matter which one, to try to hide behind its borders, or oceans. I, too, would just as soon leave the Middle East alone...but it's much too important a region for the world to ignore, or unfortunately, leave alone. Too many economy's depend upon oil, not to be involved in the region.

George Washington was right, when he made that speech, in the latter stages of the 18th century... When it took weeks, or even months, to cross an ocean. Then we could hide behind moats, safe in the knowledge, that we were safe from our enemies.

Times have changed. Distance isn't the factor it once was. It's still a factor, just not what it once was.

Hiding from a problem, doesn't make it go away. It needs to be dealt with, by whatever means will work. Preferably peacefully.

Advocating isolationism is not necessary in this instance , your Government will eventually be forced into isolation by it's own actions. How much longer do you think the rest of the world will continue to turn the other cheek so to speak ? . When , not if , the Euro collapses and the US$ is dropped as a dominant financial force and hyper inflation is all your left with , how will you pay for the follies of war ?.

Your once strong nation will have a new anthem > " Yes , We Have No Bananas "

Welcome to the third world America.

reply to post by Evanzsayz


No I'm not advocating the killing of thousands, or even millions, for the love of God...

Would you like for me to say it again, for the umpteenth time in this thread?

I want this whole stupidity to end peacefully. But what I'm also saying is that we, as in the rest of the world, can not ignore the possibility that an Iran in possession of nuclear weapons is a possible destabilizing factor in the Middle East, and needs to be dealt with. One of those options for dealing with it, is the use of armed force. Not the first option, or the best. It is, at best, the option of last resort.


Last resort. Not the first, or best... Last.


If that makes me a warmongering, anti-life, typical American, so be it.

Imagine you have never heard of the US or Iran. You are shown a list of all the deaths that are a direct result of each country. Which country do you think is the biggest threat to safety?