Why a war with Iran is necessary should talking fail.

Originally posted by nyk537
reply to post by itscocobaby

 

That's hard to do considering Iran will not let anybody in to see what's really going on. The obvious question is if they are really creating energy and not bombs, then why the secrecy?

You won't have to wait long. The end of January the IAEA will be going there.

Originally posted by jaws1975
I sure hope that all you hawks that are for preemptive war aren't Christians. Cause if you are, your a grade A hypocrite! You should get up, go look in the mirror and ask yourself what would Jesus do?

Maybe you should rephrase that by saying what did Jesus tell us to do? He told us to turn the other cheek? Why? Because Jesus said revenge was His, not ours! So, in the end, Jesus said we was going to destroy every nation that turns against Israel. That's what Jesus said he would do. Just so you know.

reply to post by superman2012


I would also add that the founding fathers said we should never become engaged in foreign entanglements.
Gee look what happens.
Iraq and Iran were foreign entanglements that never attacked us.

reply to post by nyk537


I don't know the answer friend..I wish I did..if the IAEA can not get into see what's going on..then we must go back to the table and find someone..some independent group to look into the matter and Iran must agree and be made to understand the consequences should it fail to allow the inspections..every attempt must be made..but first we must get to the table to talk..Coco

reply to post by superman2012


Thank you for that link..I did read the story..I hope the IAEA can inspect..at least they are going to have a meeting.

Jan. 13 (Bloomberg) -- International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors will go to Tehran this month to discuss Iran’s nuclear program, two diplomats with knowledge of the talks said, as Europe seeks agreement on an embargo on Iranian oil imports.

Iran hopefully will want to negotiate..lots of money is at stake..and money talks..Coco

reply to post by superman2012


Alright then.

Now let's wait and see if that meeting actually takes place.

It is the British, Americans and you could say The extant Nazi's who still owe Iran from WW2. Talk of warfare is disgraceful anyway, and is no different in application than Bush's Iraq, WMD rhetoric. Nobody enjoys the rants of the Ayatollah, and so far that is all they are. The 'cold war' proved one thing only, that use of any nuclear type weapon is ultimately mutual destruction, little bomb, big bomb, makes no difference, there will be no winner. To not realise that is to be a fool. Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and uneeded as they were, had no opposition, and that would be the last time there would be no opposition.

Originally posted by InsideYourMind
Stating that Iran would be a threat with nuclear weapons capabilities is admitting that the US and Israel are threats to world peace.

The US and Israel are scared that if Iran did build a nuke, they would no longer be able to bully them with economic sanctions or be able to insert one of their puppet dictators. Effectively not being able to dictate yet another part of the middle east.



This sums it all up;
"Do as we say, but not as we do."

Break that message and you become threatened with the act of invasion and destruction.

That does indeed about sum it up.

Prior to the Iraq war, we placed sanctions on the country in order to weaken it, because as long as Saddam was not playing by our rules, he was a goner. The sanctions weakened the country so that he was less of a threat when he came time to lob the weapons at the country.

Same thing here. The sanctions will weaken Iran which will help at a later date when it is time to bomb them.

The criminals in our government will never be satisfied until they have a puppet in Iran that does their bidding.
The criminals did it before by overthrowing an elected official and putting in the Shah, and they will do it again.

Originally posted by itscocobaby
reply to post by superman2012

 

Thank you for that link..I did read the story..I hope the IAEA can inspect..at least they are going to have a meeting.

Jan. 13 (Bloomberg) -- International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors will go to Tehran this month to discuss Iran’s nuclear program, two diplomats with knowledge of the talks said, as Europe seeks agreement on an embargo on Iranian oil imports.

Iran hopefully will want to negotiate..lots of money is at stake..and money talks..Coco

If we trust the IAEA to be an independent source, I believe we will face disappointment in the future.

The November 2011 IAEA report rebukes Iran based on allegations which are probably as phony, as the allegations made by Powell in his infamous U.N. Security Council speech.

In 2003 we had such wonderful sources as Curveball and the mobile laboratory trucks, clumsily forged Nigerian yellow cake documents and aluminium tubes - today we have secret technical information found on a stolen laptop of death. To make it easier for the evaluation of the technical data, the Iranians wrote their documents in English. The US has given the documents to IAEA inspectors but continues to refuse the independent inspection of the laptop itself.

WASHINGTON, Feb 29, 2008 (IPS) - The George W. Bush administration has long pushed the "laptop documents" - 1,000 pages of technical documents supposedly from a stolen Iranian laptop - as hard evidence of Iranian intentions to build a nuclear weapon. Now charges based on those documents pose the only remaining obstacles to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) declaring that Iran has resolved all unanswered questions about its nuclear programme.

But those documents have long been regarded with great suspicion by U.S. and foreign analysts. German officials have identified the source of the laptop documents in November 2004 as the Mujahideen e Khalq (MEK), which along with its political arm, the National Council of Resistance in Iran (NCRI), is listed by the U.S. State Department as a terrorist organisation.

There are some indications, moreover, that the MEK obtained the documents not from an Iranian source but from Israel's Mossad. In its latest report on Iran, circulated Feb. 22, the IAEA, under strong pressure from the Bush administration, included descriptions of plans for a facility to produce "green salt", technical specifications for high explosives testing and the schematic layout of a missile reentry vehicle that appears capable of holding a nuclear weapon. Iran has been asked to provide full explanations for these alleged activities.

ipsnews.net...

See also
alethonews.wordpress.com...

For those who don't know the MEK, it is an Iranian cult-like terrorist organisation which has also killed US citizens in the past. Because the MEK fought alongside the forces of Saddam Hussein during the Iraq-Iran-War it is universally despised in Iran. Currently various Washington-elites are lobbying to get the MEK from the terror watch list.

reply to post by J.Son79


Jesus said that those who fight by the sword, die by the sword, so whatever reasons the criminals in Washington conjur up to profit the big corporations and wall street banks, I will not side with them and their plans but side with Christ, because it eventually comes back to bite you.

I will die with a clean conscious having not been a part of this.

I voted for Obama in order to end this madness and get our troops out of the wars, but he was bought by the same Wall Street Banksters and Mega Corps that I am against.

It is clear the citizens of this country have no say in whatever these criminals do, and therefore no responsibility to burden either since they do not server the American people but have other masters.

Originally posted by nyk537
reply to post by superman2012

 

Alright then.

Now let's wait and see if that meeting actually takes place.

I wouldn't get too optimistic over this, these same talks and other diplomatic efforts have all failed in the past, and the motive was always the same... An opportunity for Iran to stall and buy time before sanctions are imposed, in this particular case, this will help to further delay the European Union embargo on Iranian oil among other things.

From the source you responded to...

Iran is “probably hoping to use talks as a delaying tactic, and to raise the hopes of those in the international community who think that negotiations can resolve the issue,” said Michael Singh, a former official on the U.S. National Security Council, who is now at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. “All the signals from the Iranians are not that they’re now willing to negotiate an end to their nuclear program, but that they’re not.”

As always, no reason to assume that it would go any other way this time... But there is always hope that it will.

And as I said, in my opinion, Iran doesn't need nukes to fulfill their war plans, or to retaliate if attacked now.

Everyone is just buying time... especially the Iranians.... IMO

Fact: The ONLY way the USA can take the moral high ground in trying to stop Iran from obtaining nukes, is to get rid of their own and to urge all other nuclear nations to do the same.

If they refuse that as an acceptable option, the LEAST they can do is to try and better address Iran's concerns -- the reason for them wanting nukes (obviously in order to protect themselves). For diplomacy to have any chance of being successful, Iran is at least going to need assurance that they will be protected against Israel.

If they aren't willing to do that, they have no right in trying to stop Iran. Not without looking like total hypocrites and war mongers.

reply to post by Drunkenshrew

If we trust the IAEA to be an independent source, I believe we will face disappointment in the future. The November 2011 IAEA report rebukes Iran based on allegations which are probably as phony, as the allegations made by Powell in his infamous U.N. Security Council speech.

In my earlier response I said "the problem is we don't know who to trust" I also mentioned the infamous UN speech by Powell..this is why the 6 party talks are important, and even though these talks revolved around North Korea, Iran could and should be included. I too don't trust the IAEA completely..we need more than ONE witness so to speak..I hope cooler heads will prevail..I hope other countries will demand truth and answers and provable facts..not facts invented by dishonest politicians.

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Originally posted by Navieko
Fact: The ONLY way the USA can take the moral high ground in trying to stop Iran from obtaining nukes, is to get rid of their own and to urge all other nuclear nations to do the same.
If they aren't willing to do that, they have no right in trying to stop Iran. Not without looking like total hypocrites and war mongers.

Lying , and looking like hypocrites means NOTHING to the Warmongers.

Good ole Newt stared right into the camera , and said his ex was lying, and the mass herds of sheep bobbled their heads.

Do you know where Newt stands on Iran ?

LAUNCH THE CRUISE MISSILES

Originally posted by Deetermined

Maybe you should rephrase that by saying what did Jesus tell us to do? He told us to turn the other cheek? Why? Because Jesus said revenge was His, not ours! So, in the end, Jesus said we was going to destroy every nation that turns against Israel. That's what Jesus said he would do. Just so you know.

Zechariah 14:2:

""""I will gather all the nations to fight against Jerusalem. The city will be taken, the houses looted, and the women raped. Half the population will be taken into captivity, and the rest will be left among the ruins of the city.""""

God said he was going to destroy Jerusalem.

Zechariah 14:3.....after God lets all the nations destroy Jerusalem, he fights them at the Mount of Olives.

He doesn't destroy every nation.

Zechariah 14:12:

""""And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth."""""

Chemical/Biological/Nuclear/Directed Energy........

Of the people who survive, if they refuse to bow before their Dictator they will get no rain...so no food.

We already have the technology to deny rain to countries. Ready to bow before your dictator? He sounds like one crazy ass madman. No wonder Satan and a bunch of the other angels left his side.

reply to post by Pervius


That's just the beginning.

Then the Battle of Armageddon takes place, and eventually all evil will be destroyed.

So, if you want to pick the side of evil, well.....

reply to post by itscocobaby


Yes, I first wanted to answer the Powell post and provide some information which indicates, that the IAEA is not to be trusted. Large international organisations like Amnesty International (supported the nurse Nayirah lie in 1993 and the story of Libyan mercenaries in 2011) are regularily infiltrated by intelligence agencies or are sponsored by the US government (National Endowment for Democracy). They act as another tool of foreign policy.

If you have about half an hour time, I can recommend a podcast-interview of Gareth Porter on antiwar.com. The interview is about the IAEA and the laptop of death. It exposes in detail, why the documents on the laptop are probably fraudulent. If the documents are fraudulent the allegations made by the IAEA in 2011 are probably baseless.
antiwar.com...

So Iran must not become nuclear because Israel will attack them if they do??? Does anyone else see this as totally ridiculous reasoning. IF Iran is developing a nuclear weapon, its so that they WON'T be attacked. Nations possessing nukes don't get invaded. Those without do. Bullies don't pick on kids they KNOW can defend themselves. Same idea.

reply to post by seagull


You provided no evidence in support of your claim that Iran is trying to acquire a nuclear weapon. That being said, talking about peace and stability in the region, let's not focus attention on Iran when Turkey and Israel already has nuclear weapons in their territory.