Life Spotted on Venus - Russian Scientist

Originally posted by gortex
reply to post by JimOberg

 

Interesting story but ...... Pics or it didn't happen :
Surly it would be easy enough to supply the relevant images to back up his claim .

Edit

It would seem this guy has a history of .... lets say interesting claims

Head of a laboratory of the planetary physics department at the Russian Academy of Sciences Institute for Space Exploration, Leonid Ksanfomaliti, says that the basic principle of all known planetary systems is that the biggest planet is the closest to the sun. But as for our planetary system, small Mercury is the closest planet to the sun. This suggests that the solar system was probably transformed by aliens.[
www.axiomatica.org... zations

Interesting

edit on 20-1-2012 by gortex because: Edit to add

Ah, now this fella is starting to sound less credible if you ask me.

ALS

reply to post by ALOSTSOUL

, the titanium lens cap on Venera 14 landed precisely on the area which was targeted by the soil compression probe.

That "croissant" must be the lens cap!

I think this is a hoax. It's Sorcha Faal territory. According to the article he published some research. Where is the research? Why is this story coming out now? The landing referred to was in 1982.

Oh it is not Sorcha. There is a scientist with this name, i found one paper published by him (and others) in peer-reviewed magazine (optic letters) last year.
My guess is that the wok is real, it is probably not that dramatic as media suggests and it is almost surely in Russian.

reply to post by ALOSTSOUL

Ah, now this fella is starting to sound less credible if you ask me.

There is a whiff of crank about him, but let's see what happens.

reply to post by DJW001


I think your right. The picture you posted is from Venera 14.

ALS

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge

I think this is a hoax. It's Sorcha Faal territory. According to the article he published some research. Where is the research? Why is this story coming out now? The landing referred to was in 1982.

Oh it is not Sorcha. There is a scientist with this name, i found one paper published by him (and others) in peer-reviewed magazine (optic letters) last year.
My guess is that the wok is real, it is probably not that dramatic as media suggests and it is almost surely in Russian.

Perhaps not Sorcha. However though the name is real, maybe someone decided it would be fun to use it?

Originally posted by ALOSTSOUL
reply to post by DJW001

 

I think your right. The picture you posted is from Venera 14.

ALS

edit on 20-1-2012 by ALOSTSOUL because: (no reason given)

I think your right. The picture you posted is from Venera 14.

No, that's 13, this is 14:



But, yes, it is definitely a shattered titanium lens cap.

reply to post by DJW001


Ah I did have a quick look at the picture above, before I posted. I thought they were the same.

Nevermind.

ALS

reply to post by JimOberg

I say bull#.. If he actually found something they would at least provide those pictures, but nah...

Lets say for one minute that this is a legit photo and it is not part of the probe. What is more likely, the fact that it is complex life on a planet that shows no signs of being able to harbour life as we know it? Or is it more likely that it is itself an alien probe checking out other planets in the universe?

I'd say the latter is more likely, especially as it looks engineered/robotic.

There again it could just be a piece of space junk.

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge


But the images have been "digitally cleaned up? As in "photoshopped?"

A timely PR piece to try to salvage some of the minimal Russian/Soviet deep space accomplishments.

Originally posted by DJW001
But, yes, it is definitely a shattered titanium lens cap.

Good pictures, thanks.

Each Venera -- 13 and 14 -- had TWO opposite-pointed cameras. One of each of the two views had the arm-mounted instrument extended.

The bottom pix of Venera-14 shows the really funny accident that happened to the extended arm, which had a penetrometer to measure g-force when it hit the ground, to measure density.

The arm swung down and hit -- look carefully -- the discarded lens cap.

Later landers had the lens caps on tethers to prevent this unlikely -- but all too real -- screw-up.

Originally posted by clowdstalker

Voila! Note the croissant shaped object. It appears to rotate or flop:

Interesting pictures but it appears to me that the lander is in two different orientations? The ground is not the same in those two pictures and therefore not displaying pictures of the same object. Maybe I am seeing it wrong. Either way good find OP, interesting stuff.

Edit: to add that it looks like NowanKenubi beat me to it. Agreeeeed! The force is strong with that one

edit on 20-1-2012 by clowdstalker because: (no reason given)

Exactly what I was going to say is this is opposite sides of the lander... THE ROCK PATTERN CHANGES meaning it is not the same side!

The core vibrational frequency of Venus is sixth density. The beings inhabiting this planetary influence at this space/time are fifth-density entities. The planet may be considered a fifth/sixth-density planet. These beings are positive in polarity and service and are light beings with a somewhat golden glow, this golden color is not in our spectrum but is what you would call alive. They can not be seen with our eyes nor detected with our technology unless they willingly manifest themselves.

They have structures but few because of their positive polarity. They no longer use outer technology for travel or communication instead they manipulate light and can travel via thought done by going into time/space and appearing in the space/time destination as a thought form entity which takes any form desired.

They do feed because one of the preconditions for space/time existence is some form of body complex. Such a body complex must be fueled in some way. The food eaten is prepared by thought you would call this type of food, nectar or ambrosia, or a light broth of golden white hue. But unlike us who the seeking of food gives us a lesson to learn, there are no lessons to be learnt by a 5th density entity, it is comfort for those of like mind gathered together to share in this broth, thus becoming one in light and wisdom while joining hearts and hands in physical activity. Thus in this density it becomes a solace rather than a catalyst for learning.
That is the nature of those beings in Venus

reply to post by JimOberg


If life can survive in waste pools of Fukushima, I would not be surprised to find life on Venus. Does not mean it does, but just to make you consider.





Thruthseek3r

reply to post by thruthseek3r


If Venus harbors surface life, we better leave it alone because it would have to be extremely robust.

2nd.

Originally posted by clowdstalker
The force is strong with that one

Oh yeah! That it is, my friend!

Erm... Has anyone else seen the other picture I posted on page one of this thread?

Anyone has any ideas about what this could be?

In reference to the Venera 14 image which includes the crescent shaped object in foreground; the more I examine it the more it appears to be mechanical, and probably damaged. While I believe that life is probably possible in a much wider variety of environments than is generally anticipated; the more likely explanation of the lander itself as source would have to be discounted first. It would be nice to have some schematics for the Venera 13/14; haven't found any as yet. I keep thinking of the objects on the "underside" as wheels even though they are most likely not. Did the Venera have any remote vehicles of it's own? Unlikely I know but had to ask. It s hard to believe the Soviets themselves would not have crowed quite a bit at the time about a discovering a lifeform.. Have any scientists from the original program come forward on this?




If the object (I have no idea what it is) I ve circled cracked in half and fell off, It might resemble the crescent shaped object on the ground. Still , the object looks real, not a photoshop job, even a piece cracked off is kind of exciting (if that is what it is).

reply to post by Nightspore


I tried to find more conclusive pictures of the probe but found nothing.

The part you point to doesn't seem to be a perfect circle, like what we see on the pictures, but it could be due to lighting and low resolution.

I found a picture of the man Ksanfomaliti, for those interested.



from here.

Scientists had once speculated that the fast zonal winds of Venus might polish its surface smooth. But compression and conservation of momentum dictate otherwise, and measurements have shown the surface winds are only about 0.5 to 1.0 meter/sec. The atmosphere is very dense at the surface, but unlike a liquid, the viscosity of gas does not increase much with pressure. In a perpetual dead calm, the surface of Venus is almost untouched by wind erosion.

And from that, we can forget the idea of the wind moving things on the surface, it seems!!!

While im not convinced there are even microorgs on Venus, life on such environment is possible - there are microorgs in hot springs, in arsenic, so that means not only could there be life in earthlike or otherwise said in habitable zone planets but also on hostile planets. So I think you can add even the hostile planets as places that can sustain life of some kind.