Anonymous attacks whitehouse.gov after taking down Department of Justice and others

reply to post by thedigirati


That's cool and all, but taking pictures and cooking souffle is a lil less capital intensive than making a movie, or a video game, or an album. There is more than just 1 persons contribution to consider. I'm glad you have such a high standard of art, however art is a relative term. Some artists don't have a seal team six pension to live off, or a wife, or a home business. Some "artists"( I say it that way cuz IM assuming you wouldnt label them the same way) want to make art, but also want to eat and have a roof over their head. And some artists can't achieve their visions without the help of somebody with fat stacks of money, doesn;t make their art lesser, it just means their vision is so grandiose that it requires people to do things they themselves can't.

I only go to theaters when the movie is heavy with CGI. Any other movie, like comedies or drama, I wait til they come out on dvd. It costs a whole dollar to get a movie from a red box machine. I can spare a whole dollar to watch a movie, I would watch a bad movie for a dollar instead of pirating it. Because even if the movie is bad, I at least have the satisfaction of knowing that my measely dollar will contribute to people making more movies, because good or bad some people put a lot of time and effort into making that movie.

It's fine if you want to give your "art" away. That's your right to do so as the owner of the work. But alot of these other people would like their product to sell well so they can continue doing what they love. Whether or not your money actually has any impact on their careers is beside the point. Philosophically speaking, we all should be willing to pay a reasonable sum to show our support for people trying to make a living doing what they love. If it's not interesting to you, then why take it at all? If it is interesting to you, why not pay the very nominal cost to own it legit? It's not like albums cost 50 dollars and movies cost 100, its all of 10 dollars to own a cd,10-12 to see a movie. That's nothing, skip on eating out once or twice and its paid for. If you make 8 dollars an hour, you work a little over an hour to get unlimited plays of a cd, seems like a fair trade to me.

Originally posted by InsideYourMind

Originally posted by hapablab
This is a false flag if I ever seen one, SOPA and PIPA fail so lets create a cyberwar to prove how important they are.

Far from it, this is very real. No good turning everything into a conspiracy.

What are we going to do? Allow them to walk over "our internet", remove sites at will and we can all sit down and not make a peep?

The only problem is, that as a form of retaliation, I'm unsure how taking down their websites is going to accomplish anything. If Anon were going to be able to keep said sites down permanently, then it might have some use; but they won't. The government sites will go back up eventually, which means that ultimately this won't have achieved anything, other than to cause the megalomaniacal demoniacs in the government to feel even more certain that they're right; that Anon are simply a group of reckless, juvenile delinquents who have to be stopped.

If Anon really wanted to do something useful, to me a much more productive angle would be to figure out how to get corrupt members of government thrown in jail. Taking down websites isn't a consequence for these people that they need to care about; and in fact, only makes them feel more justified, as mentioned. Criminal politicians need to be seen as just that; criminal, and dealt with accordingly. When Anonymous acts in ways which only encourage the government to pass increasingly repressive laws, they do no one any good.

The only way to teach these morons in the US government/corporations is to teach them a lesson. Anonymous are doing the right thing as always "Close my site, i'll close yours".

There's one big difference. Government can (and does) destroy sites permanently, and can also arrest site owners. Anon can take down sites temporarily at best, and nothing whatsoever happens to the site owners.

This is an offline problem, and needs an offline solution. DDoS attacks happen primarily because they are appealing to the teenagers that make up the majority of Anonymous; not because they actually accomplish anything genuinely meaningful.

We don't need the US trying to police every single object and atom on this planet. This is a taster and a warning to the US on what will continually happen in the future if more sites are taken down due to SOPA/PIPA.

Governments don't care if you do this. They've been interviewed as openly stating that. The sites go down for a few days at most, and then they go back up, and nothing else happens.

Anonymous needs to stop focusing its' attacks on methods that they themselves care about, under the assumption that their targets will care to the same degree. You need to devise tactics that are going to cause governments genuine pain; and DDoS attacks aren't one of them.

#OpMegaupload - Every action has an equal and opposite reaction

We Anonymous are launching our largest attack ever on government and music industry sites. Lulz. The FBI didn't think they would get away with this did they? They should have expected us.

http:///WEydcBVV

there maybe something fishy here, regarding the possibility of cyber war. it may have been already mentioned in this thread but anon is being co-opted by the government/cia whatever. the same thing that happened to the tea party and ows. so how do we know what to trust and what is an insider psyop? tough to tell. i support the real anon people but unfortunately the idea is being manipulated imho.

reply to post by Gigatronix


I suppose I was not clear enough, I have no Pension at all from being in the Marines, I get to be buried for free, that's it.

I have been offered great pay for my cooking ability, I refuse. I work in a soup Kitchen to help those that are starving. I was "rich" for 8 years, then the money became more of a burden then a blessing. as far as creating because it takes stacks of Money, that is a straw man argument. Creation of art doesn't take money. yes it takes time but look how Da Vinci created, he had a patron, true but he was not creating for a return on Investment. When you are creating to profit it's a JOB, it is work. Not One single grip on a Movie set gets paid a million dollars, they do however get a paycheck, but no residuals. why would I pay you for work you did a month ago, or a year ago??

Anonymous attacking websites is the first skirmish, they didn't do it for money.

Look through history, very very few artists and creators or inventors died rich, most died paupers.

some of the greatest creations, were not made for profit. and yes redbox is only a dollar. I wont give that much.
I am tone deaf so music is nothing to me, and I'm color blind so even CGI is not all that for me.

I have been having these exact same debates on another site for the last year.

The Constitution does not say you get to profit, or even get a return on Investment, why would anyone expect such?

Originally posted by andboycott
there maybe something fishy here, regarding the possibility of cyber war. it may have been already mentioned in this thread but anon is being co-opted by the government/cia whatever. the same thing that happened to the tea party and ows. so how do we know what to trust and what is an insider psyop? tough to tell. i support the real anon people but unfortunately the idea is being manipulated imho.

Meh


OWS is still going strong refer to my sig. What you are implying is a fallacy, nobody not even the Government can "co-opt" Anon in to doing it's bidding. Anonymous does it for the lulz, Anon does what it wants because it can. Anon is chaos without order. You can not control chaos. Anon is an idea. The government alphabet agencies will state that it does not care about LOIC attacks just to save face. We are talking about professional liars and actors mere pawns serving lobbyists interests. It's just damage control. The only psy-op is them wanting you think that they cant be touched. To suggest retaliation is just fruitless is a form of Defeatism.

By definition: en.wikipedia.org...

Defeatism is acceptance of defeat without struggle. In everyday use, defeatism has negative connotation and is often linked to pessimism in psychology. The term is commonly used in the politics and especially in the context of war to denote treason: a soldier can be a defeatist if he or she refuses to fight because he or she thinks that the fight will be lost for sure or that it is not worth fighting for some other reason. Again in connection with war, the term is used to refer to the view that defeat would be better than victory.

If the government corporatocracy does in fact care why? Because these attacks have cost their handlers big $$$$$$ such as the vista mastercard attacks, paypal attacks. Not only that they only care about big $$$$ for they were exposed through breaching of security, DOX dropping, raids of alphabet sites personal data. What they fear is exposure mush like a cockroach when the lights come on. Their criminal enterprise has thousands of eyes on it now. They care they arrest some kids running script and throw the book at them, oh they do care. Now Anonymous is going to cost them more then the claimed losses in what Lobbyists claim from piracy you see, Anonymous has been owning these drones for some time now and this is just the tip of the spear.

How many millions of votes is it going to take before they destroy this bill??? These A-holes in Congress arent even listening to the people who elected them into office.......This bill is a total crock of sh*t, it makes me sick that it's even got this far...God I'm truly beginning to hate this country I once loved so much, every day its something new...

reply to post by thedigirati


OK I'm not gonna get into a semantic argument about what constitutes an artist/art. Let's narrow it down to the things which are often pirated. Movies,Music,Videogames, computer programs. ALmost all of these things require more than 1 person to create/distribute/market/whatever. These things are not created ina vaccum. Money is required up front and throughout the process, and in some cases even after the product is released. The product must be sold for money to recoup these costs. Sometimes these products don't even make enough(pirating not even entering this particular scenario) to pay for the costs of making them. Somewhere somebody lost money. Somebody or somebodies could lose their jobs, future investments could be withheld, lawsuits could be filed over money owed, whole companies can go under. Obviously the product could have failed because it was a bad idea to begin with, or was executed poorly. This happens all the time and no amount of piracy would have changed that(sure as hell wouldn't have helped though) Now add piracy into that and a bad situation could become worse. I'm not saying piracy could kill a good product, but if it was a good product, why pirate it? Pay the money like a big boy and do your part to help the developers make even more good things.

But anyways, I'm done for the evening. If people can't be bothered to pony up the fair asking price for something they enjoy, it is my view that they have no right to enjoy it. But obviously my view is outdated in the digital age of take whatever the F you want and screw anyone who tries to stop you. I'll keep being old fashioned and supporting the people who create things that I like by paying for them.

Originally posted by 0010110011101
Get ready for a new kill switch, they're playing into their hands.........

Yep. And when the internet is turned back on, with a whole new slew of laws, we'll find ourselves forced to type in an ID number just so we can get INTO the internet.

people are more important than money.

this has become like my mantra or something. think about that for a bit. see what you make of it.

I like the explaination that anon cannot be controlled, first time its made proper sense to me. one of the reasons I thought they at least tried is that hackers caught in this country from lulzsec were all convicted, and anon related hackers got off with bail I believe, it struck me as odd, then again i read that in the controlled mass media so its probably 99% bs like everything else they print.

ed: you don't need money to do any of the above you need resources which happen to cost money because someone called dibs on it first, and the planet is a finite area so since your not royalty, your paying for everything.

They are only hacking those websites because they are jealous of their freedom. No kidding.

reply to post by Thunder heart woman


It is called your IP. Second line.

reply to post by groingrinder


I think the poster was actually refering to personally identifiable information, not an ip adress.

Whether or not this is a false-flag, I'd say there's a great chance this will be used as justification to crack down on the internet in whatever ways. But think about this: If Anonymous is truly anonymous and leaderless, how would we even know if the government or whoever did something like this as a false flag?

How would anyone within Anonymous know either, if it's just a bunch of random people? As far as I know, they wouldn't, so there's really no preventing something like this. It's almost like they set themselves up to get taken advantage of in that way.

reply to post by groingrinder


Yeah, I'm aware of what it's called. I'm talking about the nu-internet. No VPN's no nothing allowed. You get to type in a whole new ID, maybe your SSN just to access firefox, chrome, or any other browser. Will be very interesting in the future. New laws coming.

Originally posted by Gigatronix
reply to post by UkRandom

 

If we don't want them to have jurisdiction over MU guys in New Zealand, then how can we expect them to go after hackers outside of our jurisdiction?

What planet are you living on. I am not a US citizen. I don't want to be. I am not subject to your laws.

What gives you the right to come after me. Get your own house in order.

P

reply to post by pheonix358


I'm not saying the US should have jurisdiction, I'm saying how can we have people expecting government to crack down on other types of cybercrime originating in other countries, but then balk at having the guys from MU in New Zealand being subject to the same enforcement. This comment originated from someone who asked why are we spending time getting filesharers when we have worse types of internet abuses occurring. Since alot of these malicious hackers are coming from china and india and russia, how are we supposed to to do anything about that if we are going to get up in arms over the US going after MU guys in New Zealand. And I'm not talking about the outrage over getting people over what is perceived to be a harmless crime, Im talking about the outrage people are expressing over indicting someone from a foreign country.

Please try and understand the context of what I'm saying before you try and blast me.Thanks.

being on the internet pretty much means at some point your following US laws, the 'rules' here are pursuaded in by actual laws, some of them at least (the alternative substances forum not being here anymore to name but one thing.)

if I could i'd get in one of nasa's old shuttles cause earths going to get craaazy in the near future, mark my words >_>

ed: the vibe i get is people don't want the government to speak for them anymore, they screw up too much, and there are -much- more urgent things to adress than copying voltage differences onto magnetic material, at the end of the day, thats what everyone is crying about 'being stolen'

ed2: BUT I DIGRESS, we are way off topic at this point because the official story that this bill has anything to do with copywrite in its current form is a joke we mostly saw right through in moments to the real meat

that the internet may be screwed.


again, type 'internet 2.0' into google, preferably the videos for a documentary, and sit back and be shocked.

I'm suspicious.

Since anonymous IS anonymous, pretty much anyone, or any group for that matter can fly the anonymous flag, and do so convincingly if they adhere to historical patterns of anonymous deployment.
Even active participating members of Anonymous proper may not actually KNOW anyone else they're 'working' with.
Pretty much any geek with a deck could up and irc some "I is hax0r teh feebs. plz halp mkthxbai" and claim they are Anon.
'Any geek with a deck' could include groups, even organized government groups.

This isn't to say this IS, or IS NOT a proper Anonymous action.

Who would benefit the most? Ask the questions, and figure it out.

Just because you wear the name brand, like the name brand, or buy into the label, doesn't mean everything labeled as such is such.
What you like and trust and believe in the most, you should question and distrust even more to keep it all honest.

Originally posted by hapablab
This is a false flag if I ever seen one, SOPA and PIPA fail so lets create a cyberwar to prove how important they are.

It came so quickly, too, which tells me they are crunched for time. But why?