Begin Sex Ed in Kindergarten, Says New ‘National Standards’ Report

Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by xuenchen

 

wow there are a lot of people on here with sexual hangups. American must be the most over sexualised nation on earth and this is what is does to them.
Its sexuality, no big deal it becomes a big deal with you hide it from children and pretend it does not exist...

Sure looks that way !!

But remember,

The Majority of People Have No Problem

reply to post by xuenchen


I think we started sex ed in the 6th grade, we had to bring notes home to get our parent's signature.

This is too young in my opinion, but I guess it's up to each parent.

i dont know if i agree with this idea cause i dont have children and dont fully know how government purveyance into my potential childs lives with early sexual education would effect them. my gf who has children thinks its ok to be fully nude in front of her kids and one is about to enter first grade and the other 2nd grade; if they were taught about sexual issues id feel even more uncomfortable being around them as i do know! who is to determine what is proper ethically regarding nudity, sexuality, and the curiosity of ones own self sexually that comes with being a child? i hope people dont think its the governments job to initiate their children into the reality of sexual identification;l yet, i have an issue with how some parents are blase about initiating their children into sexuality.

According to which experts?

FBI, ???

Please, don't refer to any biased government grant institutions.

How does the current high levels of drug abuse tie into all these wild theories ?


ETA: [color=cyan]The VAST majority does not have these agendaized problems

edit on Jan-18-2012 by xuenchen because: (no reason given)

Common sense and experience actually, and I've also read papers on the subject, (currently digging to provide sources and links).

Europe, a girl can go topless in parks, swimming pools, beaches, and other places where it's socially acceptable for men to go bare chested. A girl can do this and go unmolested without any harassment or unwanted attention.

Try this in America. Girl goes topless at a beach, and she's asking to get raped.

Comprehensive sexual education would instill that a girl is not some object to be lusted after and taken, forcibly if necessary.
Comprehensive sexual education would instill and reinforce that people, regardless of gender, regardless of the state of their dress or undress, are people, and should be respected as people, as if they were fully clothed.
Comprehensive sexual education teaches the value of communication and interpersonal exchange over the physical hormonal drive.
Comprehensive sexual education teaches, warns, and prepares against the flood of hormones, urges, and desires, as well as appropriate ways and means to attend to those primal drives.
Comprehensive sexual education teaches that it's not okay to take advantage of someone when they are too intoxicated to make sound decisions, and that it is NOT okay to drug someone on purpose for sex, and that it is NOT okay to pressure anyone into sex.
Comprehensive sexual education teaches that it is NOT okay to be abusive physically and/or psychologically to anyone, regardless of whether they are a friend, lover, or anyone.

Comprehensive sexual education is more akin to the psychology and sociology of interpersonal interactions in all social situations with all people, including and extending to sex.

Some people, if they never get told, or taught that it's not okay to abuse other people, will go though life abusing everyone around them to varying degrees because they're entirely ignorant toward their faults.

Part of avoiding problems and issues that can develop into antisocial behavior that later extends into criminal violence is educating the children about every aspect of social interaction, educating them about violence, abuse, rape, date-rape, anger management, passive aggressive behavior, and all the little and big things that can lead up to poorly adjusted results in adulthood.

Part of avoiding a problem is educating children about problems, while reinforcing that education throughout their maturity from child to young adult, so that they can identify issues, feelings, and patterns within themselves and others before they become a problem and put a stop to it.
Peer pressure can go a long way further than parental imperatives. All the kids learn the same, they can reinforce each other.

I also gave several links, two comparing US to European standards that showed a great number of statistics, and your response, though somewhat positive was mostly dismissive, because you couldn't 'verify sources', or some such.

If you can't see it by now, no amount of charts and graphs, or sources from any direction will change your mind from your bias. Any source I name you'll dismiss as liberal, pseudo-intellectual, agenda-oriented-government-controlled, or some other dismissive condescension.

Thus, I'm done.
I've had my say on this subject.

You're going to believe what you're going to believe, no matter what I say, or source.

I wish you the best.

Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by xuenchen

 

wow there are a lot of people on here with sexual hangups. American must be the most over sexualised nation on earth and this is what is does to them.
Its sexuality, no big deal it becomes a big deal with you hide it from children and pretend it does not exist...

Exactly, and it becomes a big unhealthy deal when parents get embarrassed and refuse to discuss "it" when a child brings "it" up.

Make sex ed part of life, part of growing up with age appropriate words and then "it" doesn't become a thing to be hidden and ashamed of.

Originally posted by xuenchen

Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by xuenchen

 

wow there are a lot of people on here with sexual hangups. American must be the most over sexualised nation on earth and this is what is does to them.
Its sexuality, no big deal it becomes a big deal with you hide it from children and pretend it does not exist...

Sure looks that way !!

But remember,

The Majority of People Have No Problem

Not quite true actually.

Statistics show that in the USA 1 in 4 teens contracts an STI and that teenage rate of pregnancy is 2 - 10 times more prevalent than in other developed countries.

Then... we have an exorbitant number of young men, and older, taking viagra and now just as many women being diagnosed as having sexual problems.

We then have a high number of rapes, which imo many could be stopped by educating our young men and women far better than we do. Another poster, nineix commented on this very well.

The fact that we have so many problems around the concerns of "sex" in this country, prove beyond a doubt to me that the majority of people DO have problems, and I think it comes from the lack of true healthy sex education...... and the prudishness which this country seems to love to wallow in.

If you don't have a problem with sex, then why do you have a problem with educating our children with age appropriate words and education materials? Personally, I believe the reaction of many people about sexual education proves the point that we are sorely lacking in this department and as a society, we are paying for it in many different ways.

Harm None
Peace

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No I was never shoved in the boys bathroom in elementary school, were you?

Originally posted by Mijamija
reply to post by Annee

 

No I was never shoved in the boys bathroom in elementary school, were you?

Oh yeah! Several times.

And girls tried to drag boys into the girls bathroom.

Sexual hormones are active in elementary school. Even if not fully understood.

Originally posted by Mijamija
reply to post by Annee

 

No I was never shoved in the boys bathroom in elementary school, were you?

I am not Annee, but here is my answer. I was not shoved into a bathroom but in 3rd grade I already had large breasts. Almost all the women in my family are well endowed so I wasn't any different than the other women in my family. I had to deal with being sexually harassed and I didn't understand and was left feeling as if something was wrong with me and that I was "bad" for just being me.

Others felt it "ok" to grab and pinch my breasts which moved into the realm of grabbing other parts of my body and to call me terrible names. All because I was the one girl in school who was developing before anyone else.

If all of us had been educated in a healthy manner before I started developing, I suspect the abuse and bullying would never have taken place as what was happening to me would have just been a part of growing up instead of something to be laughed at and ashamed of.

I was also sexually assaulted at a very young age, and if "sex" hadn't been treated as "nasty" and "taboo" then I would have had the wherewithal and knowledge to tell someone and to fight against it instead of immediately feeling like I was the bad person who deserved bad things and that something was wrong with me for not being able to stop what was happening to me.

Healthy, life long, age appropriate sex education..... is a good thing.

Harm None
Peace

reply to post by amazed

Not quite true actually.

Statistics show that in the USA 1 in 4 teens contracts an STI and that teenage rate of pregnancy is 2 - 10 times more prevalent than in other developed countries.

Then... we have an exorbitant number of young men, and older, taking viagra and now just as many women being diagnosed as having sexual problems.

Still,

The majority of Americans have no problem.

The "statistics" cite how many people out of 320,000,000 ?

We then have a high number of rapes, which imo many could be stopped by educating our young men and women far better than we do.

Well, exactely how many rapes are linked to "no sex ed" ?

And how many rapes are linked to mental illness and/or drug use (legal prescriptions and illegal use) ?

The fact that we have so many problems around the concerns of "sex" in this country, prove beyond a doubt to me that the majority of people DO have problems, and I think it comes from the lack of true healthy sex education...... and the prudishness which this country seems to love to wallow in.

How many problems with how many "prudish" Americans was that again ?

320,000,000 divided by how many crimes directly linked to "no sex ed" ?

If you don't have a problem with sex, then why do you have a problem with educating our children with age appropriate words and education materials? Personally,

Not having a problem with sex has absolutely nothing to do with education !!
I have a problem with a very very small group of pseudo-intellectuals telling a majority of Americans how to run their own families that happen to be very very successful and have no problem in the first place.

sex ed does not prevent crimes.

The studies are conducted by biased groups that get paid to get the desired results.

I believe the reaction of many people about sexual education proves the point that we are sorely lacking in this department and as a society, we are paying for it in many different ways.

It seems most people allow the sex ed in the school systems, since it is there.
Just look at the price !!



The Majority of American Do Not Have this Problem !

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Mijamija
reply to post by Annee

 

No I was never shoved in the boys bathroom in elementary school, were you?

Oh yeah! Several times.

And girls tried to drag boys into the girls bathroom.

Sexual hormones are active in elementary school. Even if not fully understood.

Now how would a deep and expensive sex education regimen have prevented that ?

How did your parents help ?

What did the "qualified" people at the school do ?

Hmmm.

The biggest problem is media.

The "importance" of Sex is being propagandized almost every waking hour.

I'm personally annoyed and tired of the constant focus on Sex from all medias.

To counteract - - all we can do is educate. Early.

We live out in the country.

Our kids learned about the birds and the bee's by seeing animal breeding. It was never a secret.

I do think that the questions that children have should be answered in an age appropriate manor.

For instance when a 5 year old asks where babies come from, the appropriate answer would be "from mommies tummy"

By the time they are approaching junior high, they should be given all the facts and parents should be available to answer questions. I know that it is embarrassing but you have to help your children navigate their way through life.

I don't really know how many kids need an education in homosexuality at that age. I would hope that parents would be bringing up their children to be compassionate towards people who many have a difficult path.

Originally posted by xuenchen

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Mijamija
reply to post by Annee

 

No I was never shoved in the boys bathroom in elementary school, were you?

Oh yeah! Several times.

And girls tried to drag boys into the girls bathroom.

Sexual hormones are active in elementary school. Even if not fully understood.

Now how would a deep and expensive sex education regimen have prevented that ?

Educate.

Where did the expensive come from?

reply to post by Annee


I am not sure that had anything to do with sexual hormones.

It had more to do with kids who were curious about sexuality because they had seen things but their parents were not explaining anything to them.

I think kids are being sexualized at very young ages. But I do not think this is natural. I think that sincere urge, desire or sexual yearning does not kick in until the hormones flare, usually in middle school.

I think what elementary kids are doing is more because they are experimenting and trying to be sexual because they think they are supposed to be sexual....they see their big brother with his GF, they see mom and her boyfriend....they are confused and acting out.....but not because they genuinely desire sexual gratification.

And I think that a degree of sexual curiosity is normal for elementary kids, but acting out sexually is a red flag. if there are third graders out there getting horny then we need to have a whole other conversation.

Originally posted by xuenchen

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Mijamija
reply to post by Annee

 

No I was never shoved in the boys bathroom in elementary school, were you?

Oh yeah! Several times.

And girls tried to drag boys into the girls bathroom.

Sexual hormones are active in elementary school. Even if not fully understood.

Now how would a deep and expensive sex education regimen have prevented that ?

How did your parents help ?

What did the "qualified" people at the school do ?

Hmmm.

co-ed bathrooms from day one would have made this a non-issue.
separating boys and girls creates a mystique, a taboo, a challenge, a dare, something forbidden.
this can develop into unhealthy interests and fascinations.
separating boys and girls to different bathrooms reinforces that boys and girls are different/not-equal.
co-ed bathrooms as a normal every day thing would make it a normal every day thing, with no mystery, no taboo, no unhealthy associations, just normal, every day 'this is where we go pee and poop'.

(guess I'm not done as stated last post. ah well.)

I really do think this would be great for our culture. Anything seen as "taboo" turns out to cause problems, especially something that is a natural part of life.

Most relationship problems deal with sex, and so many young live's are ruined because of STD's and unplanned teenage pregnancy.

I see no negative in this idea what so ever. If I had been educated from a young age about sex I know there would have been much less anxiety in my teenage years in dealing with sex. As well as certain psychological issues placed because my parents made me feel like "sex was bad" or something that you don't talk openly about.

Sex is as natural as taking a duce, why not learn how to whip your ass as early as possible?

Originally posted by Annee


Sexual hormones are active in elementary school. Even if not fully understood.

I have always been of the opinion that the biggest problem is that we do not recognize natural tendencies. One natural tendency is reproduction. I think that during the teen years is when individuals are in their prime to reproduce and we see the pull of nature on these kids on a daily basis. We are designed to reproduce, no ifs ands or buts about it. The problem is we do not respect or recognize that. This is a situation where we as a society must adapt to these tendencies and teach how to overcome those pressures instead of demonizing them. We must figure this out one way or another, we must adapt to nature because nature is sure in the hell not going to adapt to us.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by xuenchen

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Mijamija
reply to post by Annee

 

No I was never shoved in the boys bathroom in elementary school, were you?

Oh yeah! Several times.

And girls tried to drag boys into the girls bathroom.

Sexual hormones are active in elementary school. Even if not fully understood.

Now how would a deep and expensive sex education regimen have prevented that ?

Educate.

Where did the expensive come from?

Educate.

from the failed "education" maybe ?


I repeat:
"Now how would a deep and expensive sex education regimen have prevented that ?"

Refraining from delivering sex education at an inappropriately early age is not the same as making sex a taboo subject though.

They don't need it at bloody kindergarten. They've enough on their plates at that age, learning the alphabet and how to tie their shoe laces etc.

Originally posted by xuenchen
I repeat:
"Now how would a deep and expensive sex education regimen have prevented that ?"

I already answered that: co-ed bathrooms from the start.
scroll up and read.

If anything, it'd be LESS expensive requiring only half the bathrooms.

Nothing really needs to be 'taught' on that front either. It just becomes socially normal and a complete non-issue eliminating some of the bias/mystery/separation/inequality demarcations between boys and girls.