Begin Sex Ed in Kindergarten, Says New ‘National Standards’ Report

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

Do you want to remove the issue or do you want to be nice?

Yes. I'd like to remove the issue of STDs and unwanted pregnancies - by better educating children when their parents won't. And what's wrong with being nice? Are you advocating being hateful? I don't think so - I think you're just advocating apathy.

You can either accept that some people will f##k # up for themselves and move on or you can perpetually tread water keeping your head barely above it being nice.

OR, you could care enough about the world try to make it a better place, instead of shrugging your shoulders and saying "not my yob, man". All the bad things in the world do affect us, so it's in all our best interests to get interested and do something about it.

reply to post by ShadowAngel85


[color=dodgerblue]I don't think my four year old needs to know anything beyond that.

We are teaching him about privacy and appropriateness, currently. Some of it is a little late because he was/is delayed developmentally. He wasn't really ready for any of it until now.

I plan to elaborate on things as they get older. (I have a 2 and 4 year old, both boys)

reply to post by nineix


Good stuff,

But I can't confirm the sources.

It looked to me like the "Families" had a lot to do with it.....as in parents.

Originally posted by xuenchen
The article says this

“Ideally, comprehensive sexuality education should start in kindergarten and continue through 12th grade,” says the “National Sexuality Education Standards” report, drawn up by a range of advocates, academics and public education officials.

Yes, the article SAYS that, but that text is NOT in the Standard. I have read it over twice and cannot find that text. Look for yourself:

Source

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
- my body is mine and no one has a right to it

Can someone please tell this to the government and the TSA?

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


The sex ed programs have been around for decades.

The results have not lived up to expectations.

I'm glad I can see the differences.

It is articles like this that prompt people to want to disband the Dept. of Education. How much money are the tax payers wasting on people to dream up this cr@pola? I'll teach my daughter(along with my ex),when we feel the time is right.

From the article of the OP

The Future of Sex Education (FoSE), an initiative started by sex education advocates, developed the standards “to create a strategic plan for sexuality education policy and implementation.” Also involved are the American School Health Association, the National Education Association Health Information Network – the non-profit arm of the nation’s largest teacher’s union, the NEA – the American Association for Health Education and the Society of State Leaders of Health and Physical Education. An advisory committee includes senior officials from Planned Parenthood and the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN).

I really do not want any of these groups teaching my child anything....I'll pass thanks.

Originally posted by mossme89

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
- my body is mine and no one has a right to it

Can someone please tell this to the government and the TSA?

I wonder WHO those experts are ?

Is that part of school sex ed too ?

reply to post by xuenchen


The parents responsibility to share this reproduction data with their offspring..... NOT SCHOOL, school has struggled with sex ed, so far I see no real influences of school sex ed except providing protection to the youth.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


The article is tainted.

Who are regular, normal parents supposed to believe ?

Originally posted by mugger
It is articles like this that prompt people to want to disband the Dept. of Education. How much money are the tax payers wasting on people to dream up this cr@pola? I'll teach my daughter(along with my ex),when we feel the time is right.

From the article of the OP

The Future of Sex Education (FoSE), an initiative started by sex education advocates, developed the standards “to create a strategic plan for sexuality education policy and implementation.” Also involved are the American School Health Association, the National Education Association Health Information Network – the non-profit arm of the nation’s largest teacher’s union, the NEA – the American Association for Health Education and the Society of State Leaders of Health and Physical Education. An advisory committee includes senior officials from Planned Parenthood and the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN).

I really do not want any of these groups teaching my child anything....I'll pass thanks.

The majority of parents might feel the same way.

It's too liberal with too much money involved for the thiefs.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Skewed
Some of the problems discussed here are societal problems and if society starts acting right some things will rightfully fix themselves without any intervention.

I absolutely agree with you. But what do we do to encourage society to "start acting right"? It's not just going to happen on its own. And in the meantime, more girls get pregnant and have unwanted babies and more gay kids commit suicide because of bullying in schools.

I am not sure as to how we would go about changing it. I can only see how it has happened. On one hand you have parents that do indeed willingly take responsibility and all the consequences there of. On the other hand you have parents that will not rock the boat or believe that the government is a good thing and would never do anything wrong. Between the socialistic teachings of the school system and the other parents that just "go with the flow" because it is easier does not make it very easy for some of the other parents to effectively do what is right when the entire system is working against them from day one. I have seen many parents that actually try to do the right thing, but the system does not allow them to or they are labeled as some extremist pissed off parent and school administrators avoid those parents with a set of balls that speak out against the system.

I at one time had one of my kids on Ritalin and I was not convinced of the results I was seeing and took my child off. I went to the school and picked up the remaining drugs and told the person I was taking my child off of it. The teacher called me a little while later livid as hell demanding me to bring the medicine back. Now, understand, I do not take orders like that very kindly, and I most certainly responded. I went back to the school pulled the teacher and principal front and center and let them both have it. Ever since that day, and even as the kids progressed into other schools the administrators and some teachers will not or they make it difficult to discuss things with them. There are people avoiding me and were never even part of the original group to begin with.

reply to post by xuenchen


Yeah, when those Families have been through the same comprehensive ongoing sexual-social-interpersonal-relations education from when they were in Kindergarten until graduation, yeah, family involvement can work because the schools and parents are all on the same page.

Take parents that have grown up with and learned a repressive attitude and stance on sexuality, and kids are going to suffer for it unless they get something else in school where their parents are close mouthed or awkward on the subject.

As it stands, sexual education in the US is extremely poor, and the societal repercussions shown in statistics are pretty obvious.
Sexual education from an American standpoint, also really only talks about the plumbing.

True sexual education involves all social societal aspects in regards of respecting everyone's orientations, and preferences, attitudes and appropriate behaviors in relatiosnhips, contraception alternatives, no means no, respecting people as people regardless of gender or orientation instead of objects to be pursued, the importance of communication in all relationships (with parents, friends, teachers, co-workers, significant others), and so on.
One of the more important aspects is communication and respect.

American schools pretty much just talk about the plumbing, and might mention a little something about catching stuff that don't wash off. It's horribly inadequate. The statistics show it too.

reply to post by Skewed

I am not sure as to how we would go about changing it. I can only see how it has happened. On one hand you have parents that do indeed willingly take responsibility and all the consequences there of.

I think the VAST majority of parents ARE normal and resposible.

The minority of pseudo-intellectuals are the problem.

I have seen many parents that actually try to do the right thing, but the system does not allow them to or they are labeled as some extremist pissed off parent and school administrators avoid those parents with a set of balls that speak out against the system.

Welcome to the standard operating procedure of the commie/liberal agendas.
They are powered by money and psychopathic tendancies

I at one time had one of my kids on Ritalin and I was not convinced of the results I was seeing and took my child off. I went to the school and picked up the remaining drugs and told the person I was taking my child off of it. The teacher called me a little while later livid as hell demanding me to bring the medicine back. Now, understand, I do not take orders like that very kindly, and I most certainly responded. I went back to the school pulled the teacher and principal front and center and let them both have it. Ever since that day, and even as the kids progressed into other schools the administrators and some teachers will not or they make it difficult to discuss things with them. There are people avoiding me and were never even part of the original group to begin with.

This is what the majority of normal Americans are up against.
for you and your normal American stance on normal principals !!

The pseudos say "shame on you" for not supporting their nutty ideas !

""There are people avoiding me and were never even part of the original group to begin with.""
Ah yes, the shills are everywhere

reply to post by nineix


Your ideas are fine.

BUT,

The vast majority of Americans are doing just fine without the liberal agendas.

Thanks anyway.

These "cited" and over-exemplified "problems" are NOT the Majority of parents and families.

These are the failures and all the excuses that the pseudos can dream up.

Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by xuenchen
The majority will educate their own kids successfully.

Then how is it possibly going to hurt these kids if they go through it again in school - just to reinforce.

The sex ed programs have been around for a while now in many forms.

Look at the results.

Apparently, there is now an effort to step it up and start it a little earlier. The current results would also show that parents are not doing so good either.

There are a lot of parents who have dropped the ball with regard to teaching their own kids. A younger brother of mine and I have daughters the same age. My brother has a pretty stressful job and tends to work in the shop on various projects in the evening to unwind, his wife works nights and sleeps days. They have a bit more "stuff" than me and new cars. The trade off is their daughter had to learn the alphabet after she started school and had no concept whatsoever of math when she entered kindergarten while mine could read, write and do multiplication when she entered kindergarten. They are in 4th grade now and my daughter is teaching the 7th grade girl next door algebra.

The poor teacher takes the blame for a lot that is out of their control. Is it the teacher's fault that my niece is behind a lot of her class? I say no. Is it my daughter's fault that she has to sit idle in class while the teacher attempts to bring the other kids "up to speed"? Again, no. I'm not saying I did something special, just what I should have done and probably not enough at that. When parents fail to do their job it not only hurts their kids, it hurts the other kids who get bored waiting while the other kids try to catch up. It also hurts the teacher who looks bad by no fault of their own when the students take the standardized tests and perform poorly.

My daughter has a sex-ed video coming up later this week, I'm not too concerned. She won't come out knowing more after the video than before but I'm sure a lot of them will. My dad was the "the stork brings them" type, and what he taught me was that I could not rely on his answers to be legitimate. By the time we got to sex-ed class I didn't know much and as I had learned it was pointless I asked him absolutely nothing. When my daughter asked me anything I gave her a legitimate answer, obviously the amount of information has to be tailored to the age of the child. A kindergartener doesn't need the level of detail a 15 yr old needs but does need to be able to trust your answer. There are things my daughter has asked for more details about and feels comfortable asking because she knows she will get a legitimate answer.

I would prefer everyone do their job as parents. But, in the absence of that I don't mind my daughter sitting through stuff that has already been explained to her if it will help some kid that has no other way of learning it (other than from other kids).

reply to post by KrazyJethro

We are very open and honest about sex in my house from a fairly young age, and we answer any and all questions honestly. This is, sadly, not true in many houses and kids are learning from other sources and their peers about these things anyway.

Yup, that's my thinking, too. If the child asks, tell them what they want to know. Just tailor your response to their level of comprehension.

One of my former neighbors was looking after her grandson while his mother gave birth to a new sibling, and the grandma told me when he asked where the baby would come out, she told him, "Out of mommy's foot." She was proud of this.

Seriously.

It is the parents' responsibility, but like you say, so many just hide from it out of some outdated, obsolete, unnecessary sense of shame or taboo.

Perhaps a better strategy would be to make expectant PARENTS take classes, and teach THEM how to do this, rather than just looking the other way when this nonsense is taught to youngsters and hoping the teacher will do it for them. Actually, I would not be opposed to people needing a license or certificate attesting to competency before being allowed to parent without supervision. I know this sounds like fascist intrusion and invasion of privacy, but perhaps it would serve to ameliorate some of the social issues we have, and proactively prevent all the fires we are now racing around throwing water on....children killed, missing, raped, abused, sold, neglected, imprisoned, left to fend for themselves on the streets. It really does take a community, people, to raise a child. Let's all get on the same page.
*steps off of soapbox*

Its people who oppose sex education at an early age that we can blame for the next generations babies having babies. In Sweden sex education starts at age 6 and they have the lowest rates of teen pregnancy in the modern world. They freely distribute condoms in schools, they teach safe sex not abstinence as a viable method of birth and disease control. Bottom line our kids are having sex like it or not, blame the media, blame the hormones in milk, blame yourselves, blame me if you have to but blame solves nothing its time to move forward from America's irrational fear of sex and into the 21st century.

As far as sexual orientation being included in sex ed why not? knowledge is power, if you don't understand something human nature takes over and does stupid things like say thunder is caused by angry gods and persecutes those who don't agree. We have entire history books (and religious text) filled will silly ideas used to explain things we don't understand. If we help our kids understand why others are different they will be more eager to accept it which is after all the path of the future. Teaching your kids about gays and lesbians will NOT make them gay or lesbians and to sweep it under the rug will only lead to persecution and a lack of acceptance which is not acceptable.

Originally posted by KaiserSoze
The poor teacher takes the blame for a lot that is out of their control. Is it the teacher's fault that my niece is behind a lot of her class? I say no. Is it my daughter's fault that she has to sit idle in class while the teacher attempts to bring the other kids "up to speed"? Again, no. I'm not saying I did something special, just what I should have done and probably not enough at that. When parents fail to do their job it not only hurts their kids, it hurts the other kids who get bored waiting while the other kids try to catch up. It also hurts the teacher who looks bad by no fault of their own when the students take the standardized tests and perform poorly.

Interesting point. I see what you are saying but...what about the kids that are "above" their class and the work is simply too easy for them. The kid gets bored, he/she is not getting attention that the other kids are that may be struggling(looking at it from the point of view of the kid). This bored kid then has pent up energy that has to be released and the kid does so by acting out. The kid gets in trouble and has to go to the office. The office deals out some form of punishment, but the problem is not fixed. The kid is still bored. How come no one looks at the situation and sees that the kid only needs a challenge to fix the discipline problems. How come these kids are not empowered to excel at things instead of holding them back. If 2nd grade work is too easy for the kid then why not see if the kid can do 3rd grade work.

reply to post by KaiserSoze

There are a lot of parents who have dropped the ball with regard to teaching their own kids. A younger brother of mine and I have daughters the same age. My brother has a pretty stressful job and tends to work in the shop on various projects in the evening to unwind, his wife works nights and sleeps days. They have a bit more "stuff" than me and new cars.

Great example of a small percentage of family failure on your Brother's and Wife's part.

I guess that new car is more important than their own daughter.

The majority of parents are not doing this.

You can't legislate perfection or intelligence.

The school teachers might be just as bad.

How does anyone know for sure?

The poor teacher takes the blame for a lot that is out of their control. Is it the teacher's fault that my niece is behind a lot of her class? I say no. Is it my daughter's fault that she has to sit idle in class while the teacher attempts to bring the other kids "up to speed"? Again, no. I'm not saying I did something special, just what I should have done and probably not enough at that. When parents fail to do their job it not only hurts their kids, it hurts the other kids who get bored waiting while the other kids try to catch up. It also hurts the teacher who looks bad by no fault of their own when the students take the standardized tests and perform poorly.

And in your opinion, how do you think the Girl will view Her "parents" when She figures it all out ?