An Iranian's view on the whole situation

Originally posted by Tw0Sides

Originally posted by Sharpenmycleats

I also would like to add, I have stated repeatedly on ATS that I object to the US government constantly engaging in military conflict.

I sense irony in that quote.
Something just doesn't sit right.

Don't misconstrue understanding me defending soldiers because they follow orders in our previous discussions with agreeing to be there in the first place. Everything sits right, check my posts.

Originally posted by Sharpenmycleats
reply to post by Exsisto

 

Might want to show some resources when making statements like, "There are plenty of resources to go around."

925 million people are hungry.
Over 1 billion lack access to potable water.
Over 1 billion lack adequate housing while 100 million have no home at all.
Gas and oil reserves will be depleted within 70 years

These facts should concern any country that does not have the ability to fight and defend their resources and their people. Something I think Iran is realizing. However, they probably should realize the US presence is not going away until they have nothing left to offer. If that means going to war, unfortunately the US will accommodate them.

wiki.answers.com...
www.worldhunger.org...
www.nature.com...
www.energybulletin.net...

Some of the problems you've listed above, like access to food and water for the hungry and thirsty, are created by controlling interests for profit.

All of the problems you've listed above have available solutions that don't involve war.

Originally posted by musselwhite
finally - i've been telling people mohammad reza pahlavi was a puppet and i learned first hand what "ugly american" really means - i've lived in shiraz, iran - i know and i understand the hatred towards us - i was taught the truth early in life about the rise of western influence via the cia in iran's government -

thank you for getting this information out -

s/f

hmmm never mind how the soviets tried to Bolshevize Iran ?

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Exsisto

 

Then surely you will disavow the actions of Hezbollah and Hamas in the interest of peace in the region? I have suggested that everyone deserves a homeland and for that I get called an idiot and more. How can there ever be peace or even a dialogue in this atmosphere?

I don't know what you're talking about, specifically, although I do agree with what I think you're saying - the conditions Israel creates for the Palestinians do not make achieving any lasting peace easy.

Check this out:

www.peacemakergame.com...

You might like it.

Originally posted by the_spark

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by amkia

 

What beheadings is this song referring to? Google has a translator

You might have used translate from Arabic to English, try Persian to English. Its different.

Thanks for the recommendation. I just used whatever tool Google had and what came up with was 300 roses and Youtubes of songs.

I absolutely LOVE this thread. awesome. I completely agree. This to me is a concise history and representation of the situation in Iran and the ME in general. Perfect. it is truly a "Kapow" post. Ouch.

Respect to the authors.

well done.

reply to post by Exsisto


Of course you are just blaming Israel. That is my point here. But at least the dialogue is more open now. I do not like having America be smack in the middle of that. This is where I think Ron Paul makes a lot of sense. He is non-interventionist. But we still have the Cold War hanging over our heads, and I feel that the Cold War has never been over completely. The Cold War was about the spread of communism worldwide and the immense buildup of nuclear armaments.
I also am concerned that Nostradamus' predictions may come true.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Exsisto

 

Of course you are just blaming Israel. That is my point here. But at least the dialogue is more open now. I do not like having America be smack in the middle of that. This is where I think Ron Paul makes a lot of sense. He is non-interventionist. But we still have the Cold War hanging over our heads, and I feel that the Cold War has never been over completely. The Cold War was about the spread of communism worldwide and the immense buildup of nuclear armaments.
I also am concerned that Nostradamus' predictions may come true.

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Allow me to make myself a little more clear on the subject, then. I don't blame Israel solely. Both sides have blood on their hands and certainly the Palestinians can't achieve the intended goal of statehood through violence, either. Again, I highly recommend you try the Peacemaker game. Demo it. It's free, and it's educative.

reply to post by Exsisto


Thanks for the recommendation and the clarification of your position. Geopolitics is a complex thing, and as such, the Globalists seem to believe that their actions are always justified. I have to go back to Jimmy Carter and the pro-Western Shah because it seems that Carter pretended to support the Shah while secretly supporting the Khomeini. But here is why the US supported the Shah.

In the North, the Soviets promptly and forcefully revived Iran’s Communist Party with the objective of undermining the royal regime and installing a centralized Communist government. With Soviet assistance, the Tudeh party constituted itself as a pro-Soviet Communist party with its central management in Soviet Union.

In January 1963, the Shah announced democratic reforms as part of a six-point program called the White Revolution, a program of reforms to divide landholdings such as those owned by religious foundations, grant women the right to vote and equality in marriage, and allow religious minorities a greater share in governmental offices. Ruhollah Ayatollah Khomeini led a movement among radical fundamentalists to oppose equal rights for women and minorities and the reform policies of the Shah. On January 22, 1963, Khomeini dictated a vigorously worded declaration denouncing the Westernization of Iran and economic reforms and human rights as anti-Islamic.

However, the Shah did not per se attempt to “Westernize Iran.” Iran was since its inception a Monarchy. Instead, the Shah sought a pro-Western policy to counter the Communist Soviet Union. Iran’s socio-economic and foreign policy objectives were closely tied to the capitalist world, in direct conflict with the communist ideology of Soviet Union and fundamentalism of surrounding nations.

www.rescueattempt.com...

Again, let me reiterate that Carter was the first Tri-lateralist to become POTUS and he had Brzezinski behind him.

In November 1978 then President Carter nominated George Ball as a member of the Trilateral Commission. The commission acted under the direct control of the National Security Council’s Zbigniew Brzezinski, an ardent opponent of the Shah of Iran. This commission cultivated a clandestine Iran task force. While serving on this commission, George Ball championed cessation of United States support for the Shah and clandestine support for Rubhullah Ayatollah Khomeini who, albeit in exile, led a proletariat Islamic opposition. Pursuant to this agenda George Ball sought to garner the support of Robert Bowie, who was at that time the Deputy Director of the United States Central Intelligence Agency.

I have not given a star or flag I am afraid.

You have no real context to base your view as an Iranian (not persian as you all in Canada like to call yourselves) Persia was the name given by the Greek Historian and Europeans based on one province Fars or Pars. It used to be a mix of all nationalities.

Although the Iranian government has given permission to use both Iranian and Persian the Iranian Government does not recognize the nationality of Persia on any official Iranian document.

You are Iranian, deal with it!

As you have spent only a grand total of 1 year your "Iranian" view is more sculpted by the very heavily censored news in Canada therefore your view is more Canadian!

I cant be bothered to go over the thread in detail but you have just stolen loads of articlaes and video of the internet and presented them in conjunction with your view, your Candian view.!

reply to post by Exsisto


I take it you did not read the material. I notice you like to make statements of fact without proof.

If I read you right you seem to want peace, but you seem to have a community organizer mentality. Of course some of these problems can be solved. If you are willing to go in and remove certain people from power. How exactly do you plan on doing that without violence? I guess you also have an answer to create more potable water that is not available or polluted.

Maybe you feel we can dismantle all the armed forces of the world and re-invest the trillions of dollars on solutions. That sounds great but never going to happen.

Any problem can be solved but do humans have the resolve to do it.

Anyway, back to why Iran is such a great place and why all the war mongering is coming out of the West.

Originally posted by phatpackage
reply to post by dubiousone

 

You are proclaiming, in essence, that you prefer to be seen as a knee jerk mindless jingoistic muppet.

Well I accept "Jingoistic" as a valid term (I do not believe I am that is your opinion. And it is only an opinion not proof) but to use terms like "Mindless", "Muppet" and being "Knee Jerk" reactive is proof you have no tolerance to others opinions just because they differ from yours or the OP. It is decidedly rude. You obviously have no defense as you resort to insults as a first measure. I am sure your parents are so proud of your lack of tolerance for people to express opinion different to your own.

The truth be told Iran has dug themselves into this hole for a few years now. The Western and Israeli governments concerned have actually been extremely patient and restrained when it comes to Iran. If they were taking a "Knee Jerk" stance with Iran they would have declared war a few years ago. They have been patient in the extreme. This is shown by taking the sanctions route first instead of war.

ATS is full of Iranian sympathisers who if they ever went to the country they so blindly defend would be eaten alive by the extremists they promote. No doubt about it. They do it to their own "Average Joe" citizens.

Now I stand even more firmly by what I said. No offense intended. iran is not and has never been a threat to the U.S. But I won't waste my time arguing the point with you as you seem to have your feet firmly planted in the "we hate Iran" mentality. Besides, anything I might say on the subject has already been well said by many others on this and other threads.

Your mind set strikes me as being a mirror reflection of the MSM pro-war chicken hawk attitude and agenda.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by the_spark

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by amkia

 

What beheadings is this song referring to? Google has a translator

You might have used translate from Arabic to English, try Persian to English. Its different.

Thanks for the recommendation. I just used whatever tool Google had and what came up with was 300 roses and Youtubes of songs.

May you still live and die in your ignorance. I am not going to translate what those verses means.

Originally posted by Sek82
One more thing, unless you are a servicemember who is trained and lined up ready to go to fight them, for whatever reasons you think might be legitimate, your opinion is an empty one to me, an arm chair warrior who's life won't be in jeopardy when there will be, and believe me there will be, great consequences for such an action - You're just in it for the entertainment value, not fooling anyone.

Really. I find it odd that only service members are allowed to have an opinion, valid or not. There are approximately 2,500,000 United States service members. There are approximately 350,000,000 people living in the United States. Are you saying that the rest of us have no valid opinion because we aren't in the military????

If so, Obama should butt out of all Commander in Chief decisions because he has had NO military experience.

I just beg for one thing…. Time is for unity all Iranians; this last fight is for Iranians not the mullahs.

Together we’ll make it…

Originally posted by v1rtu0s0
Wow, it's interesting to see the other side of things.


Being a good apple pie eating, grandma loving, puppy dog petting, flag worshiping, bomb explosion craving, christian preaching, capitalism supporting... American...

I must say... I've never heard such things before. How come they never show this stuff on Foxnews?

How come they never show this stuff on CNN, MSNBC, CNBC......

Originally posted by Deetermined

Originally posted by hmdphantom
reply to post by Deetermined

 

I never spoke of regime change. Do you want to get your sentences out of my mouth ?

I said ,

1.some Iranian people are corrupted.

2.the body of the government is consisted of ordinary people serving in the system

1+2 = The body of that government is consisted of those people who are corrupted.

And even a regime changes , the body will stay the same.(corrupted)

Then regime change is waste of time and money.

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Now we're making some progress, but hang in there with me a little longer.

So, the government's corrupt, will always be corrupt, and only the citizens of Iran can make a difference for themselves, without the help of their government.

Iranian citizens are much dreaming with the governance of 12th Imam that don't think they share of jobs to do.

yeah , they think Iran can be a better place by changing the regime or government.

But the main part of living in a good society , is how individuals behave in their own life to make a better living for each other . That's when all the problems begin.

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....and then there's

reply to post by dubiousone

Now I stand even more firmly by what I said.

That's fine everyone is entitled to an opinion and I respect that you have that right but your assumption is clearly wrong. I don't care what you think about my opinion.

you seem to have your feet firmly planted in the "we hate Iran" mentality.

Well you seem to have your feet planted in the "Iran is so innocent and would not hurt a fly" mentality with no turning back. Your mind appears made up.

Your mind set strikes me as being a mirror reflection of the MSM pro-war chicken hawk attitude and agenda.

Well you have assumed wrong again there. I hardly watch TV or read newspapers. I get my knowledge from ATS, website research and contacts I know personally. No mirror reflection as I am not influenced in any great degree by the MSM.

Iran are no angels and it is so laughable that people on ATS defend and justify the existence of this terrorist government who treat their own people like dirt so blindly. I just don't buy it!