Fluoride Linked to #1 Cause of Death in New Research

Tooth decay HAS been studied.
Healthy People, Healthy Teeth...
Weston Price and Marion Pottenger spent years studying indigenous people, and what causes tooth decay. It is DIET. Sodium Fluoride is USELESS against tooth decay, has never been proven to work AT ALL, and is a known poison that impairs intelligence.



Most Americans don't have nearly the teeth these "savages" do. Amazing ignorance.

I refuse to drink or cook with my city's tap water. It taste awful and smells heavily of chlorine. I drive 20 min away and fill BPA free containers full of great tasting natural spring water from the source right out of the ground. Tea and coffee never tasted so good. I usually fill about 14 gallons at a time. This last me about two weeks. Well worth the effort (no pun intended). It's too bad I still have to shower with the city water.

When people start caring more about people than money and power a paradise on earth may be had.

Originally posted by MegaMind
I refuse to drink or cook with my city's tap water. It taste awful and smells heavily of chlorine. I drive 20 min away and fill BPA free containers full of great tasting natural spring water from the source. Tea and coffee never tasted so good. I usually fill about 14 gallons at a time. This last me about two weeks. Well worth the effort (no pun intended). It's too bad I still have to shower with the city water.

When people start caring more about people than money and power paradise on earth may be had.

Most ground water naturally contains fluoride... that includes spring water.

Like many already posted the key here is from where the fluoride in our water comes from, since the 1950s when it was natural and mined in the US, to transferring hands into private interest, and now manufactured by China.

For about 30 years fluoride in our water is just "part" natural, the rest of addictive no even the EPA can account for.

Now we can not even tell what it is in it anymore as it comes from oversea, (China).

Take that to the fact that most water in the US is contaminated with manufactured drugs by pass products and well you do the math.

I sent my local water department an email asking them to stop fluoridating the drinking water. I guess I will see what they say. Perhaps you also can let your local water departments know that you do not want sodium fluoride added to the water supply.
If you give them the information out there, any logical person would say "Hey, we dont need to put this crap in our water, I drink this and so do my kids, what harm can come from not using it."

Instead of trying to prove your point by cutting and pasting tidbits of information you are finding on Google, a suggestion would be to actually take time to research and think about what you are posting.

The information you post has many flaws and contradictions.

First who is giving the recommended levels? And if this is the case, then why are many of the areas suggesting additional fluoride in areas with already ample supplies, like Michigan where I live.

Next, the fluoride that you speak of is not sodium fluoride, which is an industrial waste by-product, naturally occurring fluoride is calcium fluoride, big difference in trace amounts.

Originally posted by mudbeed
Here is a little fun fact for the hell of it.

Here's a picture showing locations where geographical areas associated with groundwater having over 1.5 mg/L of naturally occurring fluoride.

Recommendations of fluoride intake range anywhere for 1.0 mg to as low as 0.5 mg in higher elevations.

That is a large area of the earth where the ground water naturally contains amounts greater than recommended amounts or fluoride.

Side Fact:

Notice the area of land that is the furthest from the fluoride. The UK... they also have notoriously bad teeth!

Just kidding..... that's probably a coincidence.

Originally posted by mudbeed

Originally posted by MegaMind
I refuse to drink or cook with my city's tap water. It taste awful and smells heavily of chlorine. I drive 20 min away and fill BPA free containers full of great tasting natural spring water from the source. Tea and coffee never tasted so good. I usually fill about 14 gallons at a time. This last me about two weeks. Well worth the effort (no pun intended). It's too bad I still have to shower with the city water.

When people start caring more about people than money and power paradise on earth may be had.

Most ground water naturally contains fluoride... that includes spring water.

That would be Calcium Flouride NOT Sodium Flouride. Are you being willfully ignorant?

Originally posted by mudbeed

Originally posted by dubiousone
Your argument is wholly invalid.

The arrogant stupidity of the fools who allowed themselves to be hoodwinked into agreeing have their municiplaities pay to have the toxic drug fluoride added to their community's water supply is unfathonable. They should be prosecuted for this crime against humanity.

While I totally agree with you that people shouldn't be forced and blah blah blah... show me proof that it is indeed toxic in the levels we are given it?

It has been the standard since the 60's. Think about that for a second. The 60's. That's 50 years.

We are more intelligent and we are less sick. The only area we are less healthy is we don't exercise as much.

When the inmates run the asylum, and all the inmates are 'medicated'... who's going to be the judge of everyone's sound mental health?

Looked at any charts and studies on education standards (world) lately? The US is um.. pretty bad.. to say the very least. They're also over-medicated by a mega-landslide.

how the hell do you get access to water without fluoride in it?!

Originally posted by mudbeed

Originally posted by dubiousone
Your argument is wholly invalid.

The arrogant stupidity of the fools who allowed themselves to be hoodwinked into agreeing have their municiplaities pay to have the toxic drug fluoride added to their community's water supply is unfathonable. They should be prosecuted for this crime against humanity.

While I totally agree with you that people shouldn't be forced and blah blah blah... show me proof that it is indeed toxic in the levels we are given it?

It has been the standard since the 60's. Think about that for a second. The 60's. That's 50 years.

We are more intelligent and we are less sick. The only area we are less healthy is we don't exercise as much.

So all I can think of that would make your argument valid is that if Fluoride made us American's eat a lot of Micky D's and other unhealthy fatty foods.

Your argument is ass-backwards. To say that we should continue adding fluoride to public water supplies because we've been doing it for half a century is demented at best. I decline to validate it. The burden is on those who would do this in the first instance and on those who insist on continuing to do it in the face of the overwhelming evidence that (1) it confers no health benefit whatsoever, and (2) it is demonstrably harmful to public health.

Furthermore, I question the authority of municipalities to add drugs to the water supply. Yes, they do it. But what gives them the authority to do so? Saying they can becasue they voted to do so would be circular argument. The scope of their authority is defined by law. If your local water board, city council, or county commissioners voted to add Xanax to the water supply to keep the public nicely sedated would they have authority to do so? If they wanted an energetic alert public would they have authority to added coc aine or methamphetamine in low doses to the water supply [apart from the fact that those substances are criminalized by federal law]?

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ok we can tell that we are being killed at a slow rate by this. but can any1 tell me why they even say they put it in or water?

Originally posted by juggalomma420
how the hell do you get access to water without fluoride in it?!

Spring water, so long as it's tested and maintained. You can grab spring water from any clean source, but it still needs to be tested for other contaminants, toxins, over-abundance of unhealthy elements, etc. If you're so lucky, you can do a well on your property, and maintain that regularly.

Other than that... Reverse-osmosis filtration, but it's expensive, probably a chore to maintain, and it's not exactly guaranteed to get all fluoride out, but it's advertised as doing so.

Guess what the ingredient is in many anti-depressants, that do more harm than good? Yep Fluoride.

Main ingredient in Rat Poison? Sodium Fluoride.






Wait a spill outside a water plant eats through concrete and has to be cleaned up by a hazmat team, Yep! I want this in my water.

EVEN if there is no health risk to Fluoride -- here is what I don't get on this practice;
1) Assuming that ANY additive to water could be universally safe. Why didn't we add Vitamin B, Niacin, or D because people are deficient in that? It's better to let water be water, and have people able to optionally supplement their diets.
2) Fluoride only benefits the tooth if it is externally applied -- so consuming low doses in water is not going to have much benefit vs. brushing your teeth.
3) Sure, there might be some damage for poor kids who NEVER brush their teeth without fluoride in the water -- but there are so many things we let happen, or don't do for kids, that it's kind of strange we just do this one thing with benefits being few and risks being high.

I'd like an OPT OUT option for everything. Even immunization. If you don't like seat belts -- at least you don't have to drive a car, or get them surgically implanted. With seat belts --we KNOW that they undisputedly save lives. But like Fluoride and Vaccinations -- your results may vary.

And I know that I'm going to sound like a luddite to some Pro-Vaccination people -- but there isn't really good evidence that ALL vaccinations work -- just some. And I think that if we had more NON-fluoridated and vaccinated people then we could actually do epidemiological studies to see the difference.

However, if poor people have to PAY to get vaccinated -- that self-selects for a group that gets sicker regardless of vaccination.

>> I just think that the upsides of mandatory and universal treatments can never be known if everyone is forced to do them. You can't one day discover the error of your ways. How many wide-spread "COMMON WISDOMS" turned out to be the wrong thing to do?

It's the same reason I'm against cloned meat, and homogeneity, or mandatory Federal rules that focus on process rather than results. The goal should be "healthier teeth" and carrots and sticks for cities or states that have kids with better dental health.

Originally posted by Realtruth

Originally posted by SyphonX
Why does anyone try to rationalize ingesting fluoride, when it's more toxic to the human body than lead?

Why?

Why.

It's so sad. I like how I'm part of an "ilk" now, as if not ingesting poison is unsound, nefarious and strange.

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Syphon,

You get a star from me. It's years of slowly induce brainwashing from birth, and our egos will never allow something to be questioned, nor challenged if that is the way it has always been done.

um, no but maybe we are being brainwashed now. Isnt it funny how no one had an issue with fluoride until it went berserk on the internet?

Just like on another forum this person claims "oh...chocolate and coffee is a drug. I go bouncing off walls when i take it" I am like dude seriously, WTF are you talking about? It does nothing like that to me.

Originally posted by SyphonX

Originally posted by juggalomma420
how the hell do you get access to water without fluoride in it?!

Spring water, so long as it's tested and maintained. You can grab spring water from any clean source, but it still needs to be tested for other contaminants, toxins, over-abundance of unhealthy elements, etc. If you're so lucky, you can do a well on your property, and maintain that regularly.

Other than that... Reverse-osmosis filtration, but it's expensive, probably a chore to maintain, and it's not exactly guaranteed to get all fluoride out, but it's advertised as doing so.

I don't know about MOST spring water, either. There have been exposes done to test these bottled water companies and they don't seem to have a much better track record than tap water. And who can guarantee that they aren't just tap water with something to modify the taste? If the FDA has too few inspectors to make sure kids don't get Lead covered toys -- who do you think really investigates if any spring is actually the source of your water? I'd google this -- but I'm afraid the answer would be too depressing.

Ground water has estrogen, and BPH plastics -- and even anti-depressents leached into it in most areas of the country now. Maybe Fluoride wouldn't make it because it's too reactive -- who knows?


>> When I buy water on occasion, I only get distilled. At least there is a solid definition of what distilled water has to be. But to have NO Fluoride, I think your ONLY GUARANTEE is Reverse-osmosis. It's expensive and you have to buy replacement filters.

If hydrogen ever gets to be a common fuel -- I'll save money by drinking the byproduct.

Thank you for posting this info. I'll give you a S&F in a sec. I've always been interested in medical studies. It makes you wonder that if some things do more harm then good then why are we still using them.

Water distillation (vapor) is another method that helps remove toxins like fluoride along with reverse osmosis. WD removes all metals and minerals from water if I am not mistaken.

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Reverse Osmosis wastes a lot of perfectly fine drinking water. It is fine for some applications, desalinization comes to mind. Drinking "sterilized" water may not always be beneficial either. A long time ago someone told me "The sick kids have the overprotective parents. They dont let their kids mix it up and their immune systems dont get strong". There certainly is truth to that.

I live in the Outaouais region just outside Ottawa, but on the Quebec side... We have never had fluoride in our water. From what i can see there are meetings once in a while where the question is brought up and it always gets shot down.

Ottawa on the other hand has had fluoride in their water for decades and the people seem oblivious to all the negative health effects. I try to talk to my friends from Ottawa about this but it falls on deaf ears. Why would something they've had all their lives suddenly be bad right? lol...

I am glad that i have moved in the woods in the past 3 years, we have a well and the water is natural... none of that city stuff.