Warmonger Thread

reply to post by TheConstruKctionofLight

perceived wrong doing? Seriously the US's history of involvement in other countries affairs/military actions &/or wars of the last 90 years. The US administration and the silent hands that guide them will not rest till they are drawn into another battle. Why all of a sudden is Iran in the sights of Israel/US? How much more blood has to be spilt to keep your "fiat money" war economy going? Does any one care anymore for any of the lives that are lost,

You've proven my point again.

Is it humanly possible to defend Iran without bashing the US?? If you must use the actions of one country to defend another, what does that tell you about your position?? 

reply to post by shapur

You know before i read some of your very thoughtfully elaborated ,super rationally packaged comments on the subject,i was a naive pro Iranian Zionist hater fool......but your mature top notch reasoning and endless knowledge of the matter made me realize that the poor corporate Zionist agenda is been right all along,and people of the world have been misleaded to believe otherwise........Now i know ,all beloved west is trying to do is to help people gain democracy and freedom and of course,to have a chance to enjoy western media and culture.......now i know the devilish countries who resist the GIFT are just fools waiting to be discharged.......I just realized that Israel has every right to accupy palestinian lands because they are just a bunch of ALLAH worshiping morons which don't know what the hell is really going on and they really do not belong there...........now i know every thing the US and their allies have been doing in Japan ,Korea vietnam ,Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Soudan etc etc is been kindly out of their own little good harts,and entirely for the sake of those countries fellowmen and women.......But how do people respond to that? with" death to America" ,...Shame on them all and the rest of the world .I apologize on the behalf of them. they are just morons what do they know?!.......to make the story short ,just THANK YOU ,thank you for reflecting some lights on our dark ocean of stupidity.... keep up the good work ,deny ignorance.....Long live Logic

Had that post not been completely sarcastic it would have been the best post out of all 31 posts you've authored.

Seriously though...I get that you don't care for me and the US government. That's great. Now what in the hell does that have to do with Iran having nukes? How is it warmongering to not want known terrorists to have WMD? 

There is NO DOUBT Iran is trying to get them. How come you would rather point out all of the things you dislike about me and the US of A rather than taking a serious look at the threat posed by Iran?

Trying to have a serious conversation with people who have such blind hatred for U.S. is nearly impossible because you're so obsessed with America you can't seem to talk about anything else!

Hater!! 

reply to post by BobAthome


bud your reply is not even a two bit opinion. If you want to converse try answering some of the points raised instead of going into a meaningless rant.

reply to post by seabag


I don't hate you , i don't know your nationality, but as a human being, i respect you and your opinions.my post wasn't even replied to you. I don't like any country to have nukes, nobody in their right minds like that.I just have a problem with people who refer to Iran as " known terrorist" and disregard all US is been doing in the past......It goes both ways you know!....And who are we to predict the actions of the countries based on our assumptions......If I am to assume then i can imagine a lot of scary things about US ,"knowing the awful records they have"......but do i get all exited and shoot the gun?! NO.......A rational mind deals with the convicted after he commits a crime....I can not destroy my neighbor's chain saw ,just because he looks like he might use it against me. while i have been using my own on other people a couple of times....Only a criminal mind sees crime in everybody else....Peace.

I want feline armageddon, a million dollars, and a villa in Hawaii, but we don't always get what we want, do we? The Iranian regime has been chanting death to America since I was writing my name in crayons, and 30 years later, they really need to change the record. It's boring and yawn worthy.

However, an invasion is just pure retardation at this point. Precision strikes, sure, as well as sabotage and subversion. But really, these continuous Mid-East wars are beginng to annoy me. I'd be much happier pushing for a switch to biofuels and renewable energy, of which we are more than self-suffiecent, pulling out of the Middle East all together, and then letting them get on with their favorite pasttime: self-destructing. And we can get on to dealing with more important things like oh..... our warzone borders, our out of control spending, our decaying educational standards, and that big red dragon feeding off our stupidity: China.

You know, things this country SHOULD be focused on. Not yet another pathetic dictatorship that has been allowed to grow to regional nuisance level. And israel's security concerns me even less than Iran's well-being. Please, people, priorities. There's nothing wrong with Iran that a future quick carpet bombing can't solve, but I'm more concerned with now and the bigger picture.

Because I have been there and done that....that being trying to communicte with people who for one reason or another have become a National Security issue and even though we are very capable of Killing our percieved enemies at will...that is not the goal.

The Goal is to get all parties on the same page respecting each other and stop mindless attacks that are Declared in whatever GODS name...but those suicide attacks are just a bunch of Lackeys or Forced Civillians who are told either wear this explosive belt or we will kill your children.

I have no hate toward any Person of any Country unless they are either trying to kill me or my associates or planning Mindless Murders of Civy's. When they do that...they CROSS THE LINE and we eventually find and kill them...as many members of al-Qaeda have found out the hard way and we will continue this rate of attrition until the point comes...and it is almost there...were a person when asked to join will say...NO WAY!

I will not pretend the U.S. does not pursue it's own interests but every country does that...what we will do and are doing...is meeting with our enemies and trying very hard to end this senseless war that will just continue to kill people. Point in case is our current meetings with the Taliban and offering them peace if they disarm and become a Political Body. If not...and if there is EVER again an attack on the United States or our troops around the world on the level of 9/11....the United States will end this war once and for all...and believe me..NO ONE WANTS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN!

As far as Iran...I see a peaceful settlement as the Iranians are not STUPID and reguardless of what they threat...and by this they have lost the Russians and the Chinese...they will not try to block the Strait and most likely will allow Nuclear Inspectors back in as they KNOW...the only thing that is preventing Israel from bombing their Nuclear sites is the United States. We have made it clear to the Israelis we will not allow bombing of sites that could poison the whole Middle East with Radiation...and if something does need to be done...it will be the U.S. not Israel that will do it. IRAN KNOWS THIS! The Chinese and Russians have also told them this and they have told Iran...Russia and China will not interfere with any U.S. Military action against IRAN...as the U.S. have made a deal to maintain supplies of Natural Gas to Russia and Oil Shipments to China should the U.S. have to go in...but it will NOT BE NUCLEAR! Split Infinity

Originally posted by InfoKartel
reply to post by SplitInfinity

 

Yes, these think tanks and whatnot could send a fruit basket with a thank you note once in a while.

To whom?
Split Infinity

reply to post by SplitInfinity


Yours truly.

And the million +1 other internet users.

Originally posted by InfoKartel
reply to post by SplitInfinity

 

Yours truly.

And the million +1 other internet users.

You know I actually participated for 5 days with a Think Tank outside of Georgetown. There were 15 of us and all of them were PHD's in some Policical Science specialty and I was the Guy who had the real life experience.
The only reason I was even invited was at one time I was a Prof. Assistant and I had real world intel that I found that these people could never understand.

Now I am not Military but "Civilian" so I volunteered to be a part with the hopes of helping find a solution to a problem that was NOT MIDDLE EASTERN IN NATURE...but I could tell in the first 30 minutes...I knew 10 times more than all of them combined in this think tank.

What pissed me off was they kept dragging the Middle East into the issue even though it had nothing to do with it. They just did not understand what was going on and I wasted 5 days...although I didn't have to pay for the Hotel Mini-Bar...LOL! as I ate and drank everything out of that baby! $13 for Macadamian Nuts!

I do not have to report per say but I do have to inform and I did this...3 months later...this particular think tank was shut down. When I found out how much these people were being paid...and I did it for FREE!....I almost $#!%! What a waste of public money for a bunch of know it alls who never served and have NEVER been there....and where the problem truly was....was 9,000 miles in a different direction! Split Infinity

reply to post by SplitInfinity


That's funny

They just did not understand what was going on and I wasted 5 days...although I didn't have to pay for the Hotel Mini-Bar...LOL! as I ate and drank everything out of that baby! $13 for Macadamian Nuts!

HAHA I would have done the same. And I would have been content with those drinks and food as pay, heck I would appreciate the hell out of that mini-bar and even be smug about it all, lol.

When I found out how much these people were being paid...and I did it for FREE!....I almost $#!%! What a waste of public money for a bunch of know it alls who never served and have NEVER been there....and where the problem truly was....was 9,000 miles in a different direction!

Isn't that a #. They have a degree but not a clue. *sighs*


I wonder if it would be worth it to start an own think tank and then offer ones services to businesses.

reply to post by InfoKartel

Actually...my Buddy...a Retired Lt. Colonel...is doing just that now...s a CONSULTANT for the IDF. I was also asked to go as the IDF are bringing in as many American Consultants as they can but I declined.

But there is really good money in it! Split Infinity

reply to post by shapur

If I am to assume then i can imagine a lot of scary things about US ,"knowing the awful records they have"......

YAWN....

but do i get all exited and shoot the gun?! NO.......A rational mind deals with the convicted after he commits a crime....I can not destroy my neighbor's chain saw ,just because he looks like he might use it against me. while i have been using my own on other people a couple of times....Only a criminal mind sees crime in everybody else....Peace.

Here is how I define what you have said:

PACIFISM
1: opposition to war or violence as a means of settling disputes
2: an attitude or policy of nonresistance

link

You are a pacifist and I am non-pacifist. Your way of thinking is close to this:

Pacifist advocates often assume that the abandonment of war as an instrument of national policy will not be possible until the world community has become so organized that it can enforce justice among its members.

And my way of thinking is close this:

The nonpacifist would, in general, accept what the pacifist says about the evils of war and the need for international organization. But he would claim that the pacifist has not faced squarely the possible evils that would result from the alternative policy of a country’s nonresistance in the face of external aggression: the possible subjection of conquered peoples to regimes that would suppress just those values that the pacifist stands for.

link

SOUND FAMILIAR??

This is the barrier that divides us, friend…there are two different frames of mind or two different mentalities at play.

Pacifists may claim that these evils can be met by acting on the principle of nonviolence, according to which violence of any kind is always wrong. Nonviolence can also mean nonviolent resistance, which relies on the difficulties and inconvenience that can be caused to the conqueror or oppressor by a general refusal of the public to cooperate. In the 20th century, nonviolent resistance was used successfully by Gandhi and his followers to undermine the legitimacy of the British colonial government in India and by Martin Luther King, Jr., to draw worldwide attention to the oppression of African Americans in the United States. But on numerous other occasions throughout history nonviolent tactics entirely failed to disarm the enemy or even to preserve the communities practicing them. Pacifist Christian sects were often the objects of the most ruthless persecution in a time period stretching from the Middle Ages to the Nazi regime of Adolf Hitler.

The reason why people with your mentality bother me is because history has shown that pacifism usually does not work. It hasn’t worked under favorable conditions, and I have argued that, in the case of Iran, we are not facing favorable conditions for your method to work.

I can say this knowing it to be a fact...there is no such thing as a PACIFIST once the shooting starts or your child is threatened. I have seen Tibetan Buddhists...who won't dig a foundation for a building because they might kill a few worms....take a protest flag and use it as a spear to protect their fellow members when the Chinese came in with a Bloody Crackdown. Split Infinity

reply to post by SplitInfinity

I can say this knowing it to be a fact...there is no such thing as a PACIFIST once the shooting starts or your child is threatened. I have seen Tibetan Buddhists...who won't dig a foundation for a building because they might kill a few worms....take a protest flag and use it as a spear to protect their fellow members when the Chinese came in with a Bloody Crackdown. Split Infinity

Based on what shapur has said I don’t think he/she would be spearing anyone.

Pacifism kills…some people couldn’t harness a hard heart long enough to protect their own family. The BS in this thread (and others) in defense of a known terrorist nation acquiring nuclear weapons is proof.

reply to post by seabag

I agree with what your saying because it is their attitude that changes too late before they become dead....but if they are one of those who survives....they are no longer so harmless. Split Infinity

Originally posted by seabag


Pacifism kills…some people couldn’t harness a hard heart long enough to protect their own family. The BS in this thread (and others) in defense of a known terrorist nation acquiring nuclear weapons is proof.

YAWN

I've never defended them obtaining nuclear weapons and I'll repeat myself ad nauseum: no one should have nuclear weapons. It's a sad state that there are terrorist states that do.

How do you feel about Iran obtaining the means to produce nuclear power?

(I have here beside me a delicious extra strong stout. It's Australian : Coopers, but that proves the Aussies are good for something! It also shows a commonality between us, a potential for conviviality. For tee-totallers, that can be expressed by non-alcoholic beverages, of which I also partake. I'm not an exclusivist, until it comes to bloodshed. We're bigger than that and can overcome it globally, but there have never been favourable conditions for that, yet).

Oh, and *cheers*

reply to post by seabag


Have you ever killed a man/s?

reply to post by aorAki

I've never defended them obtaining nuclear weapons and I'll repeat myself ad nauseum: no one should have nuclear weapons. It's a sad state that there are terrorist states that do.

But you’re a pacifist and will never support action to STOP Iran, a known terrorist sponsor, from getting them.

How do you feel about Iran obtaining the means to produce nuclear power?

I’ve said that I have no problem with that as long as they abide by the treaty they signed and they have a monitored, open, transparent system to ensure NO weaponization.

(I have here beside me a delicious extra strong stout. It's Australian : Coopers, but that proves the Aussies are good for something! It also shows a commonality between us, a potential for conviviality. For tee-totallers, that can be expressed by non-alcoholic beverages, of which I also partake. I'm not an exclusivist, until it comes to bloodshed. We're bigger than that and can overcome it globally, but there have never been favourable conditions for that, yet).

Oh, and *cheers*

CHEERS!!

Problem with warfare is that things tend to spin out of control. If U.S. / Israel attacks Iran, Russia may jump into the fray and things will not look pretty.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by aorAki

 

I've never defended them obtaining nuclear weapons and I'll repeat myself ad nauseum: no one should have nuclear weapons. It's a sad state that there are terrorist states that do.

But you’re a pacifist and will never support action to STOP Iran, a known terrorist sponsor, from getting them.

Question: who else, close to home, is a known terrorist sponsor? Oh that's right I'm a "hater". It's the same old tired rhetoric all the time. Are we talking past each other or will you recognise the U.S. A. as a terrorist sponsor too?
Yes, I'm a pacifist. It's a wonderful ideal and something for ALL humanity to aspire to.

How do you feel about Iran obtaining the means to produce nuclear power?

I’ve said that I have no problem with that as long as they abide by the treaty they signed and they have a monitored, open, transparent system to ensure NO weaponization.

Good, I agree, and who else are signatories of that treaty and should we hold them to the same standards?

(I have here beside me a delicious extra strong stout. It's Australian : Coopers, but that proves the Aussies are good for something! It also shows a commonality between us, a potential for conviviality. For tee-totallers, that can be expressed by non-alcoholic beverages, of which I also partake. I'm not an exclusivist, until it comes to bloodshed. We're bigger than that and can overcome it globally, but there have never been favourable conditions for that, yet).

Oh, and *cheers*

CHEERS!!

Yes, finally, an agreement...onto the Rock Hopper now, a New Zealand hoppy pilsener (it's a German word, but not a bad beer!)

Edit: I have many mates from the U.S.A, and colleagues. It's not the 'people' individually, but en masse they can't seem to pick a government that is for humanity, unless it's on their terms, and that is just not cricket (a delightful English colonial term which is about (ironically) fair play good sportsmanship. Iran has a cricket team.
It's the foreign policy which disturbs me, as it affects all of humanity. Iran is no saint, I have a few Iranian mates too (I work at a Tertiary Institution in New Zealand), They're worried about the whole situation and the misrepresentation, but also, understandably, against the overly religious rhetoric of the Ayatollahs. They do see change on the horizon though, through a generational shift, rather than a barrel of a gun...