Let's clear up the ignorance about homosexuality - I hope to never hear these arguments again

reply to post by Domo1

I really have never understood the big debate here. It's not like gay couples are fast roping down from pink helicopters and converting the rest of us or doing anything to hurt anyone.

Actually, there are homosexual activists who do

ADVERTISE a fiercely intense plan

to seduce very straight bloke they can . . . and to covert every mother's son they can . . .

to . . . drum roll . . .

homosexuality.

Some even advocate gang rape as a massive class action assault on heterosexuality.

And, in terms of seducing and converting heterosexuals to homosexuality, there's enough raging REACTIVE ATTACHMENT DISORDER; enough extremely conflicted male/female relationships . . .

it's easier than many men would claim.

reply to post by arpgme


Homosexuality is known to exist in the Animal Kingdom. That fact alone makes it a natural act.

1,500 animal species practice homosexuality

Homosexuality is quite common in the animal kingdom, especially among herding animals. Many animals solve conflicts by practicing same gender sex.

(snip)

The most well-known homosexual animal is the dwarf chimpanzee, one of humanity's closes relatives. The entire species is bisexual. Sex plays an conspicuous role in all their activities and takes the focus away from violence, which is the most typical method of solving conflicts among primates and many other animals.

(snip)

Lions are also homosexual. Male lions often band together with their brothers to lead the pride. To ensure loyalty, they strengthen the bonds by often having sex with each other. Homosexuality is also quite common among dolphins and killer whales. The pairing of males and females is fleeting, while between males, a pair can stay together for years. Homosexual sex between different species is not unusual either. Meetings between different dolphin species can be quite violent, but the tension is often broken by a "sex orgy". Homosexuality is a social phenomenon and is most widespread among animals with a complex herd life.

Source

Related:

Homosexual behavior in animals

Homosexuality: A Paradox of Evolution

Originally posted by Shadowalker
correct. it is a birth defect as explained in the chemistry post above.

It is a birth difference.

There is no defect. Gays are healthy - intelligent - normal - - as they are born.

Originally posted by BO XIAN

We can become conditioned to be attracted to doorknobs.

Particularly at key developmental ages and stages.

Can you provide proof of this?

Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by Domo1

 

I really have never understood the big debate here. It's not like gay couples are fast roping down from pink helicopters and converting the rest of us or doing anything to hurt anyone.

Actually, there are homosexual activists who do

ADVERTISE a fiercely intense plan

to seduce very straight bloke they can . . . and to covert every mother's son they can . . .

to . . . drum roll . . .

homosexuality.

Some even advocate gang rape as a massive class action assault on heterosexuality.

And, in terms of seducing and converting heterosexuals to homosexuality, there's enough raging REACTIVE ATTACHMENT DISORDER; enough extremely conflicted male/female relationships . . .

it's easier than many men would claim.

I don't think homosexual activists speak for all homosexuals anymore than islamic activists speak for all islamics, or christian activists speak for all christians. There will always be fanatics -- they don't speak for the whole, and the whole doesn't need to be condemned because of the fanatics.

Originally posted by BO XIAN

It was all part of the centuries old plan to destroy the social fabric of our current culture in order to make the NWO easier to set up on the ashes of the old. They were keenly aware that WHENEVER homosexuality has become a pervasive significant percentage of the cultural mores, the culture collapases in relatively short order--less than 100 years, IIRC.

Proof please?

Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by BO XIAN

We can become conditioned to be attracted to doorknobs.

Particularly at key developmental ages and stages.

Can you provide proof of this?

I can...it starts here...and goes deeper into human conditioning!

The concept of classical conditioning is studied by every entry-level psychology student, so it may be surprising to learn that the man who first noted this phenomenon was not a psychology at all. Ivan Pavlov was a noted Russian physiologist who went on to win the 1904 Nobel Prize for his work studying digestive processes. It was while studying digestion in dogs that Pavlov noted an interesting occurrence – his canine subjects would begin to salivate whenever an assistant entered the room.

Pavlov's discovery of classical conditioning remains one of the most important in psychology's history. In addition to forming the basis of what would become behavioral psychology, the conditioning process remains important today for numerous applications, including behavioral modification and mental health treatment. Classical conditioning is often used to treat phobias, anxiety and panic disorders.

psychology.about.com...

Originally posted by BO XIAN

However, sons who grew up with harsh, abusive, and/or smothering mothers and cold, distant, harsh or absent fathers also have a significantly higher percentage of sons ending up with a homosexual orientation.

Nevertheless, LIKE ALCOHOLISM

A PREDISPOSITION TO ALCOHOLISM

does NOT FORCE someone to walk into a bar; drink 6 drinks and go out and run over a mother and 3 children.

NEITHER does a 10-20% predisposition to homosexuality FORCE someone to have 10 unprotected sexual experiences with 8 partners in 8 days.

CHOICE IS INVOLVED.

Sure we'd all like to plead . . .

My hormones forced me to do it.
My gas pains forced me to do it.
My anxieties forced me to do it.
The 6 pack forced me to drink it.
His penis just couldn NOT POSSIBLY be kept in his pants and kept dragging him from bath-house to bath-house.
The 12 twinkies just COULD NOT be kept out of her mouth in spite of her best efforts.

. . .
. . .

You seem to have a lot of anger issues. Are you seeking therapy for this? I hope so, because you don't seem to be able to control your anger.

reply to post by kaylaluv


Probably, with enough time and interest to do so. Been a while since I studied it at any length.

I'm sure

www.dogpile.com...

would be helpful.

Anthropological data is fairly instructive on such scores.

So are the fetish sorts of attractions folks have from various conditioning contexts.

However, it's fairly straightforwardly logical for anyone who thinks a bit fair-mindedly and critically about it.

Orgasms are a huge dopamine reinforcing activity. That is, orgasms release great quantities of dopamine for a huge dopamine high.

That's the same chemical facilitating all manner of addictions from sexual addictions to runner's highs, to drug abuse to alcoholism to workaholism etc.

Sooooooooo it's pretty predictable that whatever one does--immediately followed by masturbation or any sexual activity would be reinforcing for THAT ASSOCIATION INVOLVED--strictly from the dopamine high aspect.

For many ATTACHMENT DISORDERED MALES--particularly those of a particular genetic personality--tenderness of a sexual nature between them and another male gets readily reinforced, rewarded strictly on a behavioral modification basis.

The same can be said of foot fetishists and a list of other very strange sexual proclivities.

As the intro to psych text I teach from (Myers Ed 7--learning chapter) illustrates . . . pairing onion breath with a passionate, arousing French kiss can fairly quickly result in an erection for the guy just from the smell of onions alone. Pavlov strikes again.

Throw in the aspect that Mummy Dearest was harsh, smothering, cold, punitive . . . and some incidental overnight adolescent mutual seductions were warm, compassionate, thrilling, full of dopamine highs . . . it's fairly easy to understand how the young men can be off and running down that path.

Yes, I'm aware that it can evidently begin for some at earlier ages. There are explanations for that, too. I'm not interested in going there tonight--except to say . . . repeated behavior influences lots of things--from spiritual influences to DNA influences to hormonal influences etc... some of those influences evidently follow down through the generations in terms of PREDISPOSITIONS to certain behaviors. Again, PREDISPOSITIONS do not FORCE BEHAVIORS..

reply to post by kaylaluv

You seem to have a lot of anger issues. Are you seeking therapy for this? I hope so, because you don't seem to be able to control your anger.

THANKFULLY, little could be further from the truth.

My housemate of 6 years would assert that they haven't observed me angry much at all, if at all.

It takes a huge amount to get me angry.

Unless I'm seeing children or animals or handicapped people being abused or taking undue advantage of.

Perhaps your

ASSUMER

or

PERCEIVER

or

FANTASIER

needs a tune-up.

reply to post by jerryznv


I'm sorry, I still don't see it. I mean, I can see how someone could be conditioned to like door knobs and think they're shiny and pretty, but I don't see any proof that someone could be conditioned to want to be married to a door knob.

reply to post by jerryznv


THANKS.

Absolutely indeed.

That dopamine reward dynamic is VERY powerful.

Folks even get, thereby, conditioned to be sexually stimulated by pain, of all things.

Of course, it helps that the pain pathways at the base of the spine in the genital areas lie very close to the pleasure pathways.

reply to post by BO XIAN


You seem to be pretty angry at gays... and alcoholics....and fat people, not to mention the "global elitists".

Originally posted by kaylaluv
reply to post by jerryznv

 

I'm sorry, I still don't see it. I mean, I can see how someone could be conditioned to like door knobs and think they're shiny and pretty, but I don't see any proof that someone could be conditioned to want to be married to a door knob.

Fetishes are a completely different thing.

reply to post by kaylaluv


Who said anything about marrying a doorknob.

Although there have been things about as wierd in the news the last few years.

I threw that out there from a long mostly forgotten teen years lewd joke.

But just think . . . lets say for some reason . . .

the doorknob's shiny-ness;

or shape

or faceted glass structure

or color

or whatever

is greatly attractive esthetically to some bloke.

And for some wierd incidental reason he sits on the bed staring at the doorknob and whacks off. And gets a very big dopamine high--highter than in other contexts--perhaps tweaked a bit by his esthetic pleasure in looking at the doorknob.

He remembers that.
His body remembers that.

Some hours later, he does the same thing and maybe in his added anticipatory excitement . . . maybe with some doorknob fondling--he does the same thing and gets a BIGGER THRILL.

It won't take many repeated sessions before he'll have a full-blown doorknob fetish. He may be somewhat impotent without the doorknob, actually.

Originally posted by kaylaluv
reply to post by jerryznv

 

I'm sorry, I still don't see it. I mean, I can see how someone could be conditioned to like door knobs and think they're shiny and pretty, but I don't see any proof that someone could be conditioned to want to be married to a door knob.

Conditioned to be attracted to...not married to.

Although there is a thread here on ATS about people marrying their pets, cars, etc...so there might be something to it!

Pavlovs discoveries in classic conditioning were and are extensively studied...and extensively used everyday...and believe me...if your conditioned by a professional to be attracted to door knobs...you'll be attracted to door knobs!

I understand logically that doesn't seem to fit into our idea of conditioning...but it actually does...soldiers are conditioned by the government to do the most unbelievable things...it just takes the right stimuli...and conditioning to produce the desired result!

reply to post by kaylaluv


YOU ARE VERY WRONG AGAIN.

Though I could probably, with some effort, stir up some anger at globalists planning to genocidally murder billions of people.

You're NOT prone to anger at genocidal maniacs?

reply to post by Annee

Fetishes are a completely different thing.

Not really.

It's more a continuum.

when is an attraction an obsession. When is an obsession a fetish? Where on the line does the label change?

That's one of the problems with pornography for heterosexuals as well as homosexuals.

Those addicted to porn and masturbation therewith

have trouble getting it off with their partners near as well or as often. They have become fixated on the porn type images and other stimuli fade by comparison.

Again . . . conditioned response is operating fiercely.

I find this conditioning discussion to be a completely different discussion.

And not related to homosexuality at all.

If orgasms cause an addiction, then it follows that all that is needed for conversion therapy would be to get gay men to masturbate to straight porn (perhaps with some Viagra at first), and then to hire some prostitutes (or radical Christian female martyrs for the cause) and that will get gay men's brains addicted to heterosexuality in a jiffy.

Voila, problem solved!

Then one can reset the assumed longing for "daddy's love" (as parents are insulted and stereotyped along with their gay kids) by getting them addicted to religion and and cult-leaders as "daddy figures", along with the an interpretative version of a Father in Heaven.

Soon everyone will be automatons for the Christian Right!

How ridiculous this whole pseudo-science is.
Anyway, I have my suspicion that the thread may be trashed soon with some of the hatred and sexual terms it has attracted, so I'll only leave a resource about the ex-gay movement in the Religious Right, and the other side of the coin:
jgford.homestead.com...
www.thetaskforce.org...