9/11: A Boeing 757 Struck the Pentagon

What about the fan, the small turbine disk founded in the Pentagon crash site? The engine RB211 of a Boeing 757 has a front fan with Ø1900mm and the fan of the image taked by Jocelyn Augustino (FEMA) have more or less 650mm diameter and could be one of the compression disks of the Rolls Royce RB211 (image). And I think nobody can identify the fan only with the image.

The details... 1) The ripped hole of the handle at the left side of the door 2) The red paint, can be a part of the red line of American Airlines 3) The border of the cargo door and the corner If somebody can find a better image of the rear cargo door (or other door) of a Boeing 757 then we can see the same lines of rivets (other door?).

This truly disgust me.... This is the most manupilating bullshit DISINFO THREAD i've ever seen! People, all i can say....DONT DANCE WITH THE DEVIL... There are some major powers behind this website....

The major powers don't have to be behind the website, they just have to come here and create doubt. A doubtfull public does not act, it staps back and goes into thinking mode vs. action mode. Not often is the evidence so clear, just look at the pictures of Pentagon. Where is the almost 60 tons of wreckage? Outside the building? then where? under the fire departments foam foam? or is it inside the building? then through which hole did it get there? You don't need to be an expert to ask yourself simple questions! Remember who the suspects are in this. Bin Laden vs. "Black Operation". Anyone thinks they can spray a drone to look like a boing with their budget? America is wondering....where did the plane go? www.army.mil... external image

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Sincerely Cade Mod Edit: Image size only. [edit on 19-5-2005 by UM_Gazz]

Rather conclusive, I think, the photographic evidence shows a rather small airborn explosive devise hit the Pentagon, just like Rumsfeld said in so many words

Originally posted by Skibum Doesn't look like a crate or a box. Looks like whats underneath is made of a canvas material. My guess would be that it is quite possibly one of these, being brought in. www.photolibrary.fema.gov... www.photolibrary.fema.gov... www.photolibrary.fema.gov... www.photolibrary.fema.gov... This one is similar www.photolibrary.fema.gov...

None of those appear to be canvas. Actually, I'll bet they don't use canvas anymore, since it's very heavy, and there are lighter, equally durable materials made today.

None of those appear to be canvas. Actually, I'll bet they don't use canvas anymore, since it's very heavy, and there are lighter, equally durable materials made today.

Feel free to insert any suitable material you wish. My point was that the material of the "mystery crate" appears to be made of the same stuff the tents are. It even has what appears to be a pre made rain fly on it ,not just a blue tarp wrapped around it.

Fire fighters wouldnt lie you say...well what of the firefighters that didnt see any evidnce of the plane inside the pentagon. And what of the 23500 litres of fuel...why are there no marks on the lawn outside..and if they are so certain that its a plane why is it that the fire fighter dont wear the standard reflective suits or put a carpet of foam on the ground for the fuel..why are they so close..why is it that witnesses smell cordite...why is it that none of the camera evidence from the service station or the freeway or the hotel infront of the pentagon has been made public...doesnt this smell to you like the famousABRAHAM ZAPRUDER FILM of the assaination of Kennedy...your evidence is well researched but your faith in your own government is VERY VERY VERY MISPLACED...How can you trust any government that would kill its own commander in chief..you forget that the cia control the half of the media and the Rothschild family the other half..ask yourself this question...WHO ULTIMATLEY BENEFITS FROM THE WAR IN IRAQ..war is damn good business...Arms municiones planes and helicopters...lifes the cheapest commododity there is..Who ultimatley benefited from the death of Kennedy...Huey helicopters, colt riles...the war would never have been if kennedy hadnt died..but consequently he did and it continued for 12 years more...find yourself some facts on the HALIBURTON GROUP..what they do in iraq and whos the owner...OIL OIL OIL..and contracts for construcion...and suprise suprise whos the owner of the HALIBURTON GROUP...yes, none other than G.W.Bush senior.....whos benefits from the war in iraq...THE BUSH FAMILY...and if you know or not, the contracts for the reparations to the official buildings and the roads in iraq was given to, yes....THE BIN LADEN GROUP....from saudi arabia...the terrorist most wanted won the contract from the good ole U.S.A to do the work....it all just doesnt fit....wake up and smell the coffe dude...im English and it shames me that my country aids you in this ¿WAR? 17 people in England who know the truth of the Arms Of Massive destruction scandal have died in mysterious circumstances, one after talking to the press...dont it smell of fear from my government and yours...WHEN THE GOVERNMENT FEAR TH PEOPLE IT IS LIBERTY, WHEN THE PEOPLE FEAR THE GOVERMNENT IT IS TYRANNY - THOMAS PAINE. YOU GOTTA SPEAK UP AND ACCEPT THE FACTS ...YOU ARE FREE TO DO EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAY..."TO SIN BY SILENCE WHEN WE SHOULD PROTEST MAKES COWARDS OF ALL MEN"

Originally posted by andy1972

Fire fighters wouldnt lie you say...well what of the firefighters that didnt see any evidnce of the plane inside the pentagon.

And you talked to these firefighters, right? I have no doubt that there were a number of firefighters that didn’t see evidence of a plane, since looking for a pieces of a plane is not part of their job. They were busy elsewhere. Not all the firefighters were inside that part of the building, certainly not with parts of the structure collapsing. There have been other firefighters that were there and have definitely reported seeing parts of a plane. Are you saying that they are lying? What a nice convenient excuse for you.

And what of the 23500 litres of fuel.

and what of it? It burned up. Most of it went up in the fireball from the impact, the rest burned up in the fire.

..why are there no marks on the lawn outside.

Because the plane did not hit the lawn. It hit the building.

.and if they are so certain that its a plane why is it that the fire fighter dont wear the standard reflective suits

Because those “standard reflective suits” are only standard for the firefighters stationed at the airport. All the rest of the firefighters wear standard nomex suits, just like in the photos.

or put a carpet of foam on the ground for the fuel.

You must be delusional. What is all that white stuff on the ground in the above photos?

.why are they so close.

Because that is what fire fighters do, They get in close to the fire and fight it. .why is it that witnesses smell cordite... Ahhh, the infamous cordite smell. I have a lot of issues with that. Forst of all, with the exception of some surplus ammunition for battleship caliber navy guns, there aren’t too many people still using cordite out there. www.thedonovan.com... I have serious doubts that even in the Pentagon, many people would be that familiar with what real cordite smells like. It hasn’t been used in ammunition for a number of years. It certainly isn’t used in missiles as either a propellant or as the warhead. Given this, I suspect that what these people smelled was simply burning “stuff” i.e. a building, an airplane, jet fuel, people plastics, cement dust, etc. If you are going to insist that the “smell of cordite” proves that a missile hit the pentagon, then you are going to have to provide documentation to prove that the detonation of a missile warhead will produce the same smell as “cordite,” and that it is physically impossible for any other combination of burning material present in the building to smell like that. You can’t so the cordite thing is a dead end. It proves nothing except that the people that claim it does don’t know what they are talking about.

why is it that none of the camera evidence from the service station or the freeway or the hotel infront of the pentagon has been made public...

Maybe they don’t show anything? What if they released this data and in fact the cameras were not pointed the right way to see anything, would this satisfy you?

doesnt this smell to you like the famousABRAHAM ZAPRUDER FILM of the assaination of Kennedy...your evidence is well researched but your faith in your own government is VERY VERY VERY MISPLACED...How can you trust any government that would kill its own commander in chief..you forget that the cia control the half of the media and the Rothschild family the other [BLAH, BLAH, BLAH (long rant that has nothing to do with the subject of this thread)]

Originally posted by HowardRoark If you are going to insist that the “smell of cordite” proves that a missile hit the pentagon, then you are going to have to provide documentation to prove that the detonation of a missile warhead will produce the same smell as “cordite,” and that it is physically impossible for any other combination of burning material present in the building to smell like that.

And explain why plenty of people also talk about the smell of jet fuel (www.google.com...)

I can't believe that some people actually still believe the official story. Amazing... [edit on 21/3/2005 by Musclor]

.......... Did any of you people actually read the first post? .....

At the end of the day if the Airplane hit it or not, the question that I keep putting out why did NORAD not react. 4 jets 2 over Washington and 2 in New York. One was taken out. The other hit the pentagon roughly 45 mins after the trade center attacks. There is the Airbase in Washington. What I find strange is that 15 mins after Payne Stewarts plane went off course there were jets on the scene. The plane that hit the Pentagon could of easily been intercepted from Andrews. Planes were scrambled from Langley. Whats that 150 miles away. Something doesn't add up. Oh yeah who was in charge? I believe Dick Cheney took that responsibilty from the Generals and ordered the jets not to travel over 350mph. One disobeyed and took out the plane destined for Capitol Hill. If they would of taken out that place Bush could of called for Martial Law and F.E.M.A would of taken over.

Originally posted by sardion2000 .......... Did any of you people actually read the first post? .....

Oh yeah i read it, and i still believe that some people like Howard and nospam are victims of a very powerful misinformation. You do not realize how subtle and sly misinformation can be. [edit on 21/3/2005 by Musclor]

Originally posted by MrDog What I find strange is that 15 mins after Payne Stewarts plane went off course there were jets on the scene...

Actually it was more like 76 minutes from ATC realising there was a problem, so that's probably not the best example to prove your point (www.ntsb.gov...). [edit on 21-3-2005 by ashmok]

Troubled plane shadowed by military jets An Air Force spokesman says two U.S. Air Force F-15s from Eglin Air Force Base, Florida, intercepted the plane shortly after it lost contact with aircraft controllers, and followed it to Missouri. Pilots reported the plane's crew was "non-responsive" and that the cockpit windows were obscured by condensation or frost, an indication the aircraft may have lost cabin pressure. Over Missouri, four F-16s from an Air National Guard unit based in Fargo, North Dakota, took over the escort mission, and stayed with the plane until it crashed. Taken from newsmine.org... I don't think 76 minutes is shortly after. The link you sent said the jets tried to contact at 0952 and contact was lost at 0933, so sorry not 15 minutes but 19 minutes. However Norad seemed to react quicker to that than they did to 4 jets that went off course and turned off the transponders. The threat to your nations capital was all to obvious and yet the response was ridiculous. I'm under the impression Andrews is about 20 min drive to Washington centre. I believe jets could of prepared and taken off and been in the area within 10 minutes. Just doesn't add up to me.

Originally posted by MrDog I don't think 76 minutes is shortly after. The link you sent said the jets tried to contact at 0952 and contact was lost at 0933, so sorry not 15 minutes but 19 minutes.

Take a closer look. At 0933:38 EDT (6 minutes and 20 seconds after N47BA acknowledged the previous clearance), the controller instructed N47BA to change radio frequencies and contact another Jacksonville ARTCC controller...The controller called the flight five more times over the next 4 1/2 minutes but received no response. About 0952 CDT,a USAF F-16 test pilot from the 40th Flight Test Squadron at Eglin Air Force Base (AFB), Florida, was vectored to within 8 nm of N47BA. About 0954 CDT, at a range of 2,000 feet from the accident airplane and an altitude of about 46,400 feet,9 the test pilot made two radio calls to N47BA but did not receive a response. www.ntsb.gov... Still don't see it? Check footnote 7. "About 1010 EDT, the accident airplane crossed from the EDT zone to the CDT zone in the vicinity of Eufaula, Alabama". It's a change of timezone. They realised contact was lost around 9:38 EDT, passed into the CDT timezone at 10:10 EDT, a plane got to within 2,000 feet at 9:54 CDT (but 10:54 EDT). 9:38 - 10:54 = 76 minutes.

So that's just a technicality surely. That would be 0954CDT then and still just because of the time zone doesn't mean it was up there for an extra hour or does it? Anyway the topic we should talk about is NORAD's response to 2 jets going off course and heading for the Capital. But the original was about a jet actually hit so we've strayed right off now [edit on 22-3-2005 by MrDog]

Originally posted by MrDog So that's just a technicality surely.

Not at all, CDT = EDT + 1 hour, plus they added the footnote to explain when this happened. The 76 minute figure is correct. Unfortunately someone missed that in a report for ABC, I think, & said it was only 16/20 minutes before a fighter arrived, & now that claim is repeated everything. As you say, this is about Washington, but the Stewart case does show that the "ten minute response time" people sometimes claim isn't exactly realistic. And it's not the only one. In 2002, for instance, a Cessna entered restricted airspace around the White House. Even with increased post-911 security, fighters didn't take off from Andrews until 18 minutes later, and the plane wasn't intercepted until "a few minutes" after that (archives.cnn.com...). The system just isn't that great.

That's pretty disturbing that it took them so long especially after 9/11. Perhaps as was written there should be a larger buffer zone. No need to take chances. If Capitol Hill was taken out then Martial Law could be declared and then your Constitution has gone. Am I right in saying that?